Apple Jumps 13 Spots in Glassdoor's Annual List of Best Places to Work, But Remains Far Behind Facebook and Google

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  1. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    They bought Oculus when the technology was already developed. VR will neither make a difference in the market nor change the character of Facebook as an advertising company. That’s not just my opinion.

    Facebook’s $2 billion bet on Oculus not paying off
     
  2. Stella, Dec 6, 2018
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    #102
    WTF???! Another out of context response. Wow. SMH.

    Again, your wrong: Facebook purchased Oculus when it was still in development.

    So - ever going to answer? Do you stand by your assertion that Facebook has never created a successful IT product?

     
  3. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    Do you consider staying in touch with friends to be a technology? Is that something you couldn’t do with messengers and websites before Facebook invented the Like button? Somewhere you’ve got to draw a line between a company that’s simply present on the internet and a technology company that contributes to how it all works. And it can’t be stock market valuation or being headquartered in California.
     
  4. Michael Goff macrumors G5

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    #104
    Are we seriously debating whether or not Facebook is a tech company based on whether or not they make money off of software?
     
  5. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    #105
    iMessage came out when a lot of other existing messaging services and products were in place for years and years, does that mean that iMessage isn't a technology that Apple has developed and made available for use?
     
  6. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    It will always be in development, because it will never become a product. VR is a fad like 3D TVs. And its not the first time people tried to make it a thing. VR helmets can’t work as an optional peripheral. You need to build an entire ecosystem around it. A gaming console, all the games and a software framework to build them efficiently. And it still won’t win against freemium phone games. There’s just not enough value added to win over a large follower base. It’s simply impossible!
     
  7. Stella, Dec 6, 2018
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    I cannot believe for one moment you are being serious because the level of ignorance contained in your post otherwise is just staggering ( like you've displayed throughout - Facebook(F/B) is not a Tech company - F/B have never created a successful IT product - F/B is just a website - F/B is not technology, passing off articles from 2009 as valid data points, and so on).

    But, this sub thread is strangely entertaining!

     
  8. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    #108
    Being the first is important for an innovation. Being unique is important for the ability to monetize. Apple didn’t invent mp3-players, but dominated the market with the iPod. Apple did invent the modern smartphone, but doesn’t dominate on market share.

    Everything that’s not a manual skill can be considered a technology. Every company uses information technology in some form or the other. A tech company in the realm of computer science is not just using but contributing to the progress of the field.

    Apple didn’t invent messaging and iMessage is not a standalone product. It’s a feature who’s tight integration with other Apple features like iCloud and Animoji creates some unique capabilities, which add to the overall value of the iPhone and support hardware sales. A standard Android phone with nothing but iMessage as its only differentiator wouldn’t sell for more.
     
  9. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    While interesting, this is something yet again different from what was being commented on earlier and what this is all in relation to. By the logic mentioned before that other things were available to connect to people when Facebook came around and therefore there wasn't anything new/different that Facebook created in relation to that, iMessage (as an example, given that there are plenty other similar ones) similarly couldn't be part of technology that Apple developed and made available, which we know isn't how everyone sees it.

    It seems that every time something is brought up and is then shown to not hold up we simply end up moving onto something else through a deflection or through the goal posts being moved. Looks like there really isn't much of an actual discussion to be had in that sense.
     
  10. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    I haven’t seen any claims to the contrary. Are you mad enough to say Apples market share of $1000+ computers has decreased in the past decade? Are you telling me the Oculus is a successful IT product which has found its market niche and won’t be scrapped within the next five years? Isn’t Facebook a website written in hypertext rendered by a browser?

    The question you need to answer is, why isn’t the New York Times considered a tech company? It has a much visited website, sells advertising and utilizes user data to promote the most interesting articles. What’s so special about Facebook? A failed investment into VR doesn’t cut it.
     
  11. Stella macrumors G3

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    This thread has been entertaining with your claims, I don’t think you are being serious at all. You really don’t believe what you’ve posted.

     
  12. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    #112
    Was/is the primary and most involved work that The New York Times does involve creating/modify/improving the technologies that are behind the features offered on their web site or behind the advertisement and/or user data algorithms?
     
  13. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    Oh no, Facebook is something new and unique. Otherwise one couldn’t monetize it. It’s just not IT.

    Steve Jobs told his biographer: “We talk about social networks in the plural, but I don’t see anybody other than Facebook out there. Just Facebook, They are dominating this. I admire Mark Zuckerberg ... for not selling out, for wanting to make a company. I admire that a lot.”

    Facebook is not just unique, it’s a natural monopoly. You can’t copy it. Once there is a Facebook, there is no room for a Facebook competitor. Microsoft coppied Macintosh with Windows, iPad with Zune and Google with Bing. But there is no clone of Facebook, because Facebook is not a technology. It’s a network that lives on the amount of user data. Only after millions of users have entered their personal data a social network becomes a thing. And they won’t do it twice.
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    Nope! The New York Times produces news. They switched from paper to silicon as a means of transportation. But their product is still knowledge of the most recent world events. They are not selling IT. Never have and never will. If the New York Times is a tech company now, then what it was before is a paper company. Not a newspaper, just paper.
     
  14. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    #114
    Seems like we keep on coming back to a (mostly rhetorical) question that was asked a little earlier in the thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ebook-and-google.2158772/page-5#post-26884836
     
  15. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    I wouldn't exact be calling 8th place for Google "top"... "close too" perhaps

    I can't believe Facebook and Google would bet better places to work than Apple.
     
  16. Gudi, Dec 6, 2018
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    Gudi macrumors 68030

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    #116
    I (dis)believe a lot of things most people wouldn’t doubt to be undisputable facts. Here’s to the crazy ones: I believe artificial intelligence can’t exist without self awareness. And a silicon chip that knows its place in the universe wouldn’t want to drive our cars. Skynet in Terminator is actually the best depiction of how artifical intelligence would actually look like. And you do need intelligence for autonomous driving.

    Chess computers, probably the biggest success of AI, are fake. As it turns out you don’t need any intelligence to win every game of chess against a human grandmaster. Programmers just found a smart way to cut the search tree of possible chess positions. The computer still blindly calculates all of them and shows no sign of strategic awareness. He just makes random moves, which can’t possibly lead to a weaker position five moves down the road. It’s stupid and mind numbing.

    All the people who claim to work in the field of AI are simply lying to themselves and the public. They only proved the job of a truck driver requires real intelligence whereas being a chess master doesn’t.
     
  17. ctyrider macrumors 6502a

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    #117
    Of course - is it really all that surprising? Giant corporations are the ones with resoruces to pay heir employees well, offer good work environments, and resonable work-life balance.

    Startups and mom-and-pop shops offer more control to individual employees, but they are rarely "good places to work" simply because they lack the resources.
     
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    Like slapping some tacky self-shoulder-tapping patch into your profile - "lol" :-D
     

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