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Apple Keyboard and Apple Mouse

Has anyone stopped to consider that this keyboard and mouse is called just "keyboard" and "Mouse". Notice the "pro" has been dropped from the name.

That keyboard could easily house a bluetooth connection. Could we see new "pro" keyboards in July at WWDC?
 
Extra key above Delete/backspace?

I'm with those who think this is a low-end, reduced-cost model--and that an actual IMPROVED keyboard and mouse will be future products.

By the way, the new keyboard, judging from the back view, has no spaces between the F keys (who cares, just noticing), a bigger Esc key... and an additional key in the top right, also bigger than the others. 14 keys across the top of the alpha keyboard instead of the old 13. Wonder what the new key is?

Also less deep front-to-back, which isn't a bad thing--although once you add USB plugs in the rear you lose that space savings.
 
"Apple Keyboard", "Apple Mouse"

Does this mean we will soon see a new Apple "Pro" Keyboard, Apple "Pro" Mouse?

Multibutton Please!
 
Re: Extra key above Delete/backspace?

Originally posted by nagromme
I'm with those who think this is a low-end, reduced-cost model--and that an actual IMPROVED keyboard and mouse will be future products.

By the way, the new keyboard, judging from the back view, has no spaces between the F keys (who cares, just noticing), a bigger Esc key... and an additional key in the top right, also bigger than the others. 14 keys across the top of the alpha keyboard instead of the old 13. Wonder what the new key is?

Also less deep front-to-back, which isn't a bad thing--although once you add USB plugs in the rear you lose that space savings.
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YES I AGREE! I can't believe no one else sees this. This is a eMac only keyboard and mouse. This were designed to save a few dollars. My guess is taking the adjustable foot off of the keyboard and making a few changes to "lighten up" the mouse and keyboard, they save a dollar or two and every unit sold. It helps profit and in turn will help them slowely bring down the eMacs price. The differences are so small that most will hardly notice.

The Pro keyboard and Pro Mouse will continue to ship with the iMacs and PowerMacs. This is nothing more then a cost saving measure. They might be redesigned in the near future and they might not be. I don't think this keyboard and mouse are anything different then changing to a painted iBook.

It looks like a pretty nice keyboard design and should meet the goals they were going after. I wonder if it will ever be sold as an accessory or not.
 
Originally posted by Sedulous
Actually, the area around the aperature of the "laser" looks slightly different and it only says "Mouse" rather than "Pro Mouse".

Most people I know are happy with the single button mouse. You can operate more options using the keyboard since there are far more keys there than you could fit on the mouse itself. To satisfy critics, Apple really should offer a multi-buttoned "Pro Mouse" as a BTO option. Perhaps that is why Apple now has a plain "Mouse" for sale (read as sign of upcoming changes to pro designs).
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i agree, looks like they may be going to offer a new pro mouse and have this as the standard for shipping with the consumer machines. a bto pro mouse would be a great thing i reckon, i'm happy with the one button, but an apple option would be sweet.
 
These might be for the eMac only...

It wouldn't work for me, because right behind my keyboard is this power controller thing with buttons, and the USB cables can push in the buttons if I push the keyboard back. That, and the extra 2 inches that it adds to the width of the keyboard will make it too big for my desk...

It looks like a nice keyboard, but to me, a keyboard is a keyboard...
 
It looks slightly narrower (less margin), not wider. Same front-to-back--which I bet looks nice, if nothing else.

The one view we haven't seen it the one you'd actually see in use!
 
It also appears that the "grips" on the side of the mouse are indented (more?). I've never used my pro mouse, but I remember the "grips" to be hard to locate and useless.
 
Originally posted by tsunake
It also appears that the "grips" on the side of the mouse are indented (more?). I've never used my pro mouse, but I remember the "grips" to be hard to locate and useless.
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i guess it all depends on the size of your hands? the grips are perfect for me, and truth be told, the old puck style mouse was ok too, i have big hands and it fits my fingers well, not many mice (mouses?) fit my hand, just my fingers.
 
one button mice

wow, this is sounding like it might turn into another great fight of one versus two + buttons, which if i remember correctly, we had just one week ago... but i'm sure soo much has changed since then.

in other news - for all of you who dump you apple mice the second you get them, i'd be more than happy to take at least one of them off of your hands (no, seriously)

matt
 
Originally posted by evoluzione
hmm, odd one this, i liked the adjustment bar on the "old" keyboard. the new one looks too chunky, and possibly cheaper. as for the ports on the back, don't like it, the table i have my iMac on is small, and the keyboard is right up against the dome base, with the new ports, it takes up valuable room.

and why is everyone bitching about the one button mouse??? i've never needed a second button, even with photoshop and quark etc, i used to have a two button mouse, when i had a commodore amiga. the one button mouse is an apple trademark! i think they should stick with it 🙂
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LOL--you and steve jobs must the only ones who don't need the 2nd button. 😛
 
Re: Extra key above Delete/backspace?

Originally posted by nagromme
By the way, the new keyboard, judging from the back view, has no spaces between the F keys (who cares, just noticing), a bigger Esc key... and an additional key in the top right, also bigger than the others. 14 keys across the top of the alpha keyboard instead of the old 13. Wonder what the new key is?
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What about the return of the POWER BUTTON??? Please??? At least I am allowed to believe such a thing...
 
It's less deep, even WITH the mouse plugged in in back

By the way, even WITH the mouse plug sticking out the back, this keyboard is less deep than the old--so that's one improvement.

First, the margins on all edges are even smaller than currently (I HATE the big wasted margins on PC keyboards!). That reduces the depth.

Second, no "sticking-out part" in back like we have now. The keyboard's own cable can now be less in the way than before--by a good 3/4 inch or more.

Third, hold up your mouse plug at the back of your keyboard (remember, the metal part goes inside) and see: the plug is less deep than the "sticking out part"--so the mouse cord won't stick out any more than the keyboard cable currently does.

I also think the rear port location is better (other than being hidden to shoppers)--the mouse cord coming out the side gets in my way. Not to mention that the current vertical ports always make me try twice to get the plug right.

The lack of an ergonomic "flat" position is a shame--but I've seldom seen anyone actually use that (even me) despite the health benefits. So I guess the flip stand was one part they could do without to save $.

Oddly, Apple folks sometimes REALLY hate change, for its own sake. Me too, sometimes. This doesn't seem too bad though.

I hope Apple brings back the split keyboard on the high end!

As for mouse buttons, obviously people like it both ways, where's the controversy there? I hope Apple offers both choices in future.

(PS, those Apple Store banners have mirrored the image, making it look like the numpad layout has changed--but now we can see it the right way at apple.com.)
 
I think this is good news and it's al in the name as others before hav mentioned. I've always used a two button mouse (or three in unix) and I find it hard to live without a scroll wheel now (much more so than tabs in a browser), and I guess many switchers feel the same (and of course they need to be catered for if the market share is gonna grom - just ho many people have never used a computer and of them how many are ever likely to? not many, and most I guess).

Well when all the rumours stated the mouse and keyboard was little changed I was pretty disapointed. Now it turns out they are for the eMac and just called mouse and keyboard. Most people money it seems is on the pro mouse/keyboard name still being used for better mice/keyboards and I agree. I would say its likely that apple will offer the pro with towers and hopefully iMacs with possibly bluetooth and (prays) scroll function and two buttons. This would cater for both camps cause all the one button fans could specify one button apple mouse and apple keyboard when ordering and get a reduction or just use their old one. I really hope the put the pro into the pro mice/keyboard as it was quite a laughable title with such a basic mouse, even if it was and still is very beautiful.
 
As of this moment, Apple has not changed its photos on its pr site. They still show the same old eMac with the old pro keyboard.
 
ok, its a red LED, not a LASER!!!!


sorry, i hate how people call the optical mice laser mice.

could this mean apple will release a new "pro" mouse? possibly with support for a third button as some of their "pro" apps require?


Could the pro mouse also have the rotary wheel? This could be useful when editting audio and video.
 
Ports today, even USB ones suck if they are at the back of ANYTHING, at least on the side of the keyboard you could plug in the USB device the right way and see what you are doing, many a time i've had to move around the back to plug something in, its not like firewire where its a non-symmetrical shape.

Also if its at the side, its a natural thing to unplug and easy on the wrists if you pull away from your side, you are not bending your wrist as much but with anything at the back of a laptop or keyboard you sometimes have to lean forward or lower the screen to get access. Thankfully the iBooks are done right.

However, i went to college last week where they have rooms full of imacs and they have this one button mouse i have heard so much about, i'm sorry but those suck so much as well. Then in the other room at college, all the power macs have logitech 2 button mice.

What does that say? Only pro users should use 2 button mice? Lame, so lame, there is not even a scroll wheel on the apple PRO mouse, 1995 comes to mind when using it, thankfully i don't have to again.

What makes it a contradiction is the fact there isn't a 2 button mousepad on the PRO line of laptops.

Yes yes, i hear you already "Buy a 2 button mouse", but why should i? Why can it not be BTO and let the customer decide. Shouldn't cost anything either.

Its one of those things that i dislike about Apple, 1 button mice/mousepads, no apple stores in the UK and long delivery times.

Everything else however i love, but rather have this end as a bitch, it does show however that Apple isn't perfect and i'm not moaning about any prices either. 🙂

Just long delivery times and a 1 button mouse.
 
keyboard EPS

I have a really high quality eps shot of the keyboard from front on,

instead of having gaps in between the Function keys the escape key is longer and the first row goes up to F13, the R 13 key being the other long one.

Then the other three keys goes up to F16

The otehr thing that I notice about it is that the keyboard is not clear above the arrow keys but white....

They kesy are not rounded like on the pro keyboards but instead are pretty straight, this is on the bottom....

Also, the acse just surrounds it and looks a fair bit different..
 
"ok, its a red LED, not a LASER!!!!

Yeah, I know, that is why I put quotes around "laser".

LED based lasers do exist tho:

Coherent

I still don't get the white mice being sold with pro equipment.
 
Originally posted by macdong
Apple really needs to stop making these one-button useless mouse.
Sure it's pretty, but adding one more button won't kill it.
not for Apple, no sir.
So what's keeping ya???
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Yeah! My mom recently bought a PC, and as soon as it arrived, I took the 3-button mouse to use it; I loved it. Apple needs to step up to plate and conform to our needs (sounds selfish, but it's us that keeps 'em alive). Anyway, as soon as I get my hands on some $$$, goodbye Pro Mouse! 😱
 
still using one-button mice is bad enough - but actually going through the trouble to design another one - dear god, why?

and if they do make the pro mice two-button and leave the regular ones at one-button, that seems silly too. are powermac users the only people smart enough to understand the overwhelming complexity of the two-buttoned mouse?

right-clicking and getting a contextual menu is actually much easier for many people than actually learning what menus to go to etc.

i have a logitech and a microsoft intellimouse explorer (very good mouse, but looks really lame next to the pro keyboard).
 
Hold ctrl -> click mouse -> stop bitching.

Should they make a two-button mouse? Yeah, probably. I use one on my PowerMac.
Is it absolutely necessary? No.
Are there ways around it? Yes.

$15-$20 will get you an optical two-button mouse.

Instead of talking to other people who agree with you, start writing emails to Apple and get *their* attention. Pretty much everyone here already agrees they should make a two-button mouse, so whining about it on here ain't gonna change it.

And for anyone who says that Apple frequents message boards: Trust me, Apple already knows peolple want a two-button mouse. They don't need to read a new thread every week on the same topic.
 
Originally posted by baby duck monge
as i understand things, the wheel was not for the laser, but rather for the button. changing the settings changed how hard you had to push to get the "clicking" action.
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Well I tryed adjusting the wheel on the old Apple Pro Mouse and I found is that when you turn it to + the button is more springing and when you turn in to the - the button is more sqishy. Kinda like a soft touch keyboard compared to a more old clicky keyboard. I Found out also that in + mode the button reacts faster when you let go of the button.
 
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