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Apple Keyboard and Apple Mouse
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wow one button mouse...
I find it really hard to believe that people defend the one button mouse. I mean the argument that 'there are ways areound it' is just weak. Another way around it is to buy a windows computer...
For you information there are pro software out there that absolutely requires even three buttons on the mouse to be usable.
I love lying back on my armchair in my house and surf the web like now (escept this thread is making me type now...bah) and I dont even have the keyboard around.
Come on guys...I uae Apple products because they are designed to be easy to use so why should I have to use keyboard ad mouse combinations to perform easy tasks. Like for instance mapping any keyboard combination to my thumb button on my logitech. Currently it is set to step back in my browser...now thats efficient use of a mouse...
And the wheel...dont even get me started on that one lol. If i have to click to scroll down AND move my cursor, wherever it may be, in order to read a thread on the internet...blah blah blah
Sry for ranting...I blame it on my 4th expresso sry.
I find it really hard to believe that people defend the one button mouse. I mean the argument that 'there are ways areound it' is just weak. Another way around it is to buy a windows computer...
For you information there are pro software out there that absolutely requires even three buttons on the mouse to be usable.
I love lying back on my armchair in my house and surf the web like now (escept this thread is making me type now...bah) and I dont even have the keyboard around.
Come on guys...I uae Apple products because they are designed to be easy to use so why should I have to use keyboard ad mouse combinations to perform easy tasks. Like for instance mapping any keyboard combination to my thumb button on my logitech. Currently it is set to step back in my browser...now thats efficient use of a mouse...
And the wheel...dont even get me started on that one lol. If i have to click to scroll down AND move my cursor, wherever it may be, in order to read a thread on the internet...blah blah blah
Sry for ranting...I blame it on my 4th expresso sry.
Oh dear...
If you read my previous post then I apologise for not spell-checking er and grammar checking it and oh well...maybe I SHOULD use the keyboard more lol...
If you read my previous post then I apologise for not spell-checking er and grammar checking it and oh well...maybe I SHOULD use the keyboard more lol...
I can't believe this warrants a revision. Maybe with the keyboad I can see. But the mouse???
Apple needs to understand that the old simplicity of having only one button is the same as running OS 1.0. If they've been writing their OS from scratch, they better do the same with input peripherals. They're still sticking to the basic Xerox Parc experiment. I could not live without my 5-button scroll wheel mouse. Sure it looks like a mouse and not a work of art, but I'm incredibly productive with it.
Just imagine all those PC users who will laugh when Apple finally decides to release a 2-button mouse as a big revision. Wow!
Apple needs to understand that the old simplicity of having only one button is the same as running OS 1.0. If they've been writing their OS from scratch, they better do the same with input peripherals. They're still sticking to the basic Xerox Parc experiment. I could not live without my 5-button scroll wheel mouse. Sure it looks like a mouse and not a work of art, but I'm incredibly productive with it.
Just imagine all those PC users who will laugh when Apple finally decides to release a 2-button mouse as a big revision. Wow!
gotohamish
macrumors 65816
I understand you point, and feel a similar way about my 2-button w/scroll wheel, but here's the issue.
As has been said countless times before, go buy another mouse if you need one.
However, there is the issue of consistency. Sure, I work like a speed demon with my two button, but as soon as I go to another mac with the stock 1-button mouse, it jolts me and annoys me to use the keyboard for the right-click. I'd imagine going to a 1- from a 5- is even worse, and not to Apple's advantage. For the average user, say a first time Apple user, they get used to 1-button, then go to another mac with a 2-button, that's just going to confuse people, and that's again everything their GUIs and Human Interfaces stand for.
Best Scroll Wheel Ever! & LED/LASER info
If you want to try out the most comfortable and efficient scrolling device, try out the ShuttlePRO or ShuttleXpress from Countour Designs:
http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/
http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/shuttlexpress.htm
I picked up the ShuttlePRO for some Final Cut Pro work, but then I started using it to scroll while web browsing, (I use my right hand on the mouse and left on the ShuttlePRO). It's got this rubber-coated spring-loaded wheel thing that vastly superior and more comfortable then a scroll wheel. The only problem is that it's not a mouse! (You can't move the cursor). If apple ever does put a scrolling device on their mice, I hope they take a page out of the design from Contour.
Also, regarding the LASER confusion, don't be so hard on people -- it's a common misconception. If you're curious to know how Optical mice really work, check out:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question631.htm
That article even has this quote, "Apple has transformed its optical mouse into a modern work of art."
If you want to try out the most comfortable and efficient scrolling device, try out the ShuttlePRO or ShuttleXpress from Countour Designs:
http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/
http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/shuttlexpress.htm
I picked up the ShuttlePRO for some Final Cut Pro work, but then I started using it to scroll while web browsing, (I use my right hand on the mouse and left on the ShuttlePRO). It's got this rubber-coated spring-loaded wheel thing that vastly superior and more comfortable then a scroll wheel. The only problem is that it's not a mouse! (You can't move the cursor). If apple ever does put a scrolling device on their mice, I hope they take a page out of the design from Contour.
Also, regarding the LASER confusion, don't be so hard on people -- it's a common misconception. If you're curious to know how Optical mice really work, check out:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question631.htm
That article even has this quote, "Apple has transformed its optical mouse into a modern work of art."
I know that a one button does keep it simple, and that not everyone with computers are super smart, but I hope anyone smart enough to use a computer can figure out the difference between the two buttons.
And with the "iPod style" scroller does that have a button in the center like the iPod or is it just one solid circle and not a "doughnut"? Do you think that if it does have a button that would supstitute the right button, or is there maybe even three buttons in the future?
Apple Store
I was at the Apple Store this afternoon and the new eMac's are IN and have the new designed keyboard & mice.
I like the USB on the rear of the board but do not like that the keys are out in the open (easy access for dust and debris) but at least it makes cleaning them easier.
Christopher
I was at the Apple Store this afternoon and the new eMac's are IN and have the new designed keyboard & mice.
I like the USB on the rear of the board but do not like that the keys are out in the open (easy access for dust and debris) but at least it makes cleaning them easier.
Christopher
Eniregnat
macrumors 68000
I like the one button mouse.
As for the keyboard revision, I believe it suits the education market better. It looks more robust, and I do know that he elevation adjustment arm tended to break when used by stupid people.
I have it, the final solution to all the mouse problems.
(Picture Steve Jobs delivering this new product.)
Introducing Apple's
ProKeyBouse
Combine the mouse and the keyboard into one useful product.
The keyboard could float around like the mouse, and it would have over 100 buttons to press. Keystrokes, shortcuts, and movement all combined. No more one button argument, and those 2, 3, 4 and 5 button mice would have to do a lot of evolving to equal the number of buttons found on the new AppleProKeyBouse.😉
As for the keyboard revision, I believe it suits the education market better. It looks more robust, and I do know that he elevation adjustment arm tended to break when used by stupid people.
I have it, the final solution to all the mouse problems.
(Picture Steve Jobs delivering this new product.)
Introducing Apple's
ProKeyBouse
Combine the mouse and the keyboard into one useful product.
The keyboard could float around like the mouse, and it would have over 100 buttons to press. Keystrokes, shortcuts, and movement all combined. No more one button argument, and those 2, 3, 4 and 5 button mice would have to do a lot of evolving to equal the number of buttons found on the new AppleProKeyBouse.😉
One Button Mouse
The Apple mouse has to be the most important part of the Mac. if you are a TRUE Apple Power User you wouldn't need a 2 button mouse or a scroll wheel, by attacthing those mice to a mac, you are slowly transforming the mac into a pc, what next, you need a 'Start Menu' too, because the dock is too simple? how hard is it to seriously point and click with a one button mouse? the only reasons you'd ever need a two button mouse is with working with Windows... yeah, I said it, Windows...
The Apple mouse has to be the most important part of the Mac. if you are a TRUE Apple Power User you wouldn't need a 2 button mouse or a scroll wheel, by attacthing those mice to a mac, you are slowly transforming the mac into a pc, what next, you need a 'Start Menu' too, because the dock is too simple? how hard is it to seriously point and click with a one button mouse? the only reasons you'd ever need a two button mouse is with working with Windows... yeah, I said it, Windows...
Fairly obvious, to me.
Alright, I think this is pretty straightforward.
The eMac, true to its name, is STILL intended as a low-cost solution for educational customers. Yes, it is sold to consumers, but one way or the other it is DESIGNED for educational use: this means for young children (even in households) all the way up to rowdy high schoolers. And even University computing labs.
That said, put yourself in the position of administrating a public computing lab (read: high school, grade school, etc.) where hundreds of users a day will be handling your machines. Do you really want something fill of features and gizmos and moving parts? No. You want a large, difficult to move, heavy, bulky thing that can take some abuse. Enter the eMac. Large, bulky, very few fragile parts (no beautiful chrome accents to build up fingerprints or swiveling screens to get broken from abuse). The erfect machine for a high school lab.
That is EXACTLY why this keyboard is being sold with the eMac. The kickstand ALWAYS gets broken on lab iMacs...I've witnessed this firsthand a hundred times. Same thing with the little feet on third party keyboards. And rollerball mice lose their ball within days. Kids are rowdy, violent and like to mess things up. there's no way around it. Simple solution: make the keyboard a single, solid, reliable unit. Take off the fragile part of the mouse (the tension adjuster...which is really unnecessary in a public environment, anyway). Now you have peripherals which are just as robust as the computer itself.
I use public portals every day as a university student. The Dell keyboards in our labs are missing all of their feet, and most of the microsoft intellimouses have had those little side buttons pried out. And I do volunteer work at my old High school's computer labs, and I don't even want to get into the **** I deal with there...I wish every computer at my school and the high school had these keyboards, and being PCs, I wish they had a 2-button variant of these mice...like your basic logitech optical scrollwheel mouse. It's by noticing little things like this that make Apple hardware engineers the best out there. I applaud them...
But I do want one of those keyboards for myself.
Alright, I think this is pretty straightforward.
The eMac, true to its name, is STILL intended as a low-cost solution for educational customers. Yes, it is sold to consumers, but one way or the other it is DESIGNED for educational use: this means for young children (even in households) all the way up to rowdy high schoolers. And even University computing labs.
That said, put yourself in the position of administrating a public computing lab (read: high school, grade school, etc.) where hundreds of users a day will be handling your machines. Do you really want something fill of features and gizmos and moving parts? No. You want a large, difficult to move, heavy, bulky thing that can take some abuse. Enter the eMac. Large, bulky, very few fragile parts (no beautiful chrome accents to build up fingerprints or swiveling screens to get broken from abuse). The erfect machine for a high school lab.
That is EXACTLY why this keyboard is being sold with the eMac. The kickstand ALWAYS gets broken on lab iMacs...I've witnessed this firsthand a hundred times. Same thing with the little feet on third party keyboards. And rollerball mice lose their ball within days. Kids are rowdy, violent and like to mess things up. there's no way around it. Simple solution: make the keyboard a single, solid, reliable unit. Take off the fragile part of the mouse (the tension adjuster...which is really unnecessary in a public environment, anyway). Now you have peripherals which are just as robust as the computer itself.
I use public portals every day as a university student. The Dell keyboards in our labs are missing all of their feet, and most of the microsoft intellimouses have had those little side buttons pried out. And I do volunteer work at my old High school's computer labs, and I don't even want to get into the **** I deal with there...I wish every computer at my school and the high school had these keyboards, and being PCs, I wish they had a 2-button variant of these mice...like your basic logitech optical scrollwheel mouse. It's by noticing little things like this that make Apple hardware engineers the best out there. I applaud them...
But I do want one of those keyboards for myself.
JBytes
macrumors member
Call me strange,
but I happen to love the Apple mouse. It's PERFECT for the lefthander, or ambidextrous user. No curve to worry about, and no ridiculous buttons to reconfigure for left hand use. If you can afford a Mac, you certainly can afford a third party mouse of your choice.
--JBytes
but I happen to love the Apple mouse. It's PERFECT for the lefthander, or ambidextrous user. No curve to worry about, and no ridiculous buttons to reconfigure for left hand use. If you can afford a Mac, you certainly can afford a third party mouse of your choice.
--JBytes
There have been previsous posts on this, but my personal opinion is...
All pro people hate these 1 button mouses. However, they make people that make programs on the mac think when they make a User Interface (UI). See, since the 1 button is default programmers have to work to make the least amount of contextual menus as possible. Because of this we get ingenius shortcuts vs a windows like right click here right click there interface. The best example is renaming. On the mac u press return or click on the name, in windows you right click and click rename. In windows, because a 2 button mouse is standard, all UI's are based on contextual menus, which just aren't intuitive. Basically the one button mouse is what makes the mac easy and the 2 button mouse is what make Windows hard.
I'd be far happier with the one button mouse if everything done by control-click could also be done with click-hold, like it used to be in OS 9.
Like I said. It's not necessary in the environment the eMac is intended for, and can be broken (fairly) easily.
Surely they are eMac accessories that are more durable...less things for kids at school to pull apart!
...Amateurs.....
Anyone who is a "power" user is most likely a designer of some sort, and the scroll and two button mouse is a necessity.
We don't even care what mouse apple ships because it;s out the door and replaced with the intellimouse or something of that nature.
I'll guarantee you Apple's designers don't use their own mice.
I love my mac, but the two button mouse is the way to go. Especially when working with a lot of documents, doing code, working in the Finder or working with graphics in general.
I'm an Art student, and I use Photoshop and Illustrator on a daily basis in my work (which determines both my grade and frequently my source of income, when I do freelance photography and graphic design). I'm a 'designer of some sort', and certainly a "power" user...and I rarely use the second mouse button.
I actually rarely TOUCH the mouse. Usually I've got one hand on my tablet's pen, and one hand on the keyboard. And since in those programs (along with Final Cut Pro, Premier, InDesign, Dreamweaver, Flash, etc. You've got one hand on the keyboard ANYWAY (Option-click, command-click, shift-click, ctrl-click...they all have different purposes) so pressing another button while you click is second nature. The second mouse button is completely unnessary.
Sorry, friend, but the ProMouse serves me just fine in all these "power" user-only programs. And as per Apple's own designers (assuming you mean hardware designers), I would assume they use AutoCAD, which also doesn't use the right-click feature very much.
Both my school's design lab and the studios where I work have G4 boxes with ProMice, and my school has special keyboards with colored and labeled keys for Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. The "power" user is more concerned with the keyboard than he is with his mouse. As long as the mouse is accurate, clean, and you can easly hold down the button while you drag, it's a good mouse. The ProMouse fits the bill quite nicely.
Forgot to mention: same thing for the scroll feature...never had the need for a scroll wheel. Unless the scroll wheel works as a frame scrubber in video programs, I can't think of something that would use it. And even in that case, at least in my experiece, a jog-shuttle peripheral is usually used. At my school the Final Cut machines have Contour Design ShuttlePROs. For the little video work I've done, my griffin PowerMate works great. Seems like a scroll-wheel would be horribly innacurate and non-intuitive for this application. Most video users are used to a left-to-right scroll wheel, not the mouse-style wheel.