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one button mice

you've all got it wrong, apple released the one button mouse not for simplicity, but for image. That's what I think it has always been about. Even look at their machines. Apple is mostly image and making a one button mouse helps promote that uniqueness they strive for.
 
Re: one button mice

Originally posted by evilsprung
you've all got it wrong, apple released the one button mouse not for simplicity, but for image. That's what I think it has always been about. Even look at their machines. Apple is mostly image and making a one button mouse helps promote that uniqueness they strive for.

If this is the case, I don't see a bright future for apple. 🙁 😱
 
well i didnt mean to down grade their products but i just meant if you were to say apple was good at anything then at the very least it would be about promoting image and uniqueness. I mean look at PCs. Most of the products are bland or, like now, try to bite off apple's design and appeal. I mean isnt that one of the primary reasons why people are able to distinguish macs from pcs?
 
well i didnt mean to down grade their products but i just meant if you were to say apple was good at anything then at the very least it would be about promoting image and uniqueness. I mean look at PCs. Most of the products are bland or, like now, try to bite off apple's design and appeal. I mean isnt that one of the primary reasons why people are able to distinguish macs from pcs?
 
Originally posted by evilsprung
well i didnt mean to down grade their products but i just meant if you were to say apple was good at anything then at the very least it would be about promoting image and uniqueness. I mean look at PCs. Most of the products are bland or, like now, try to bite off apple's design and appeal. I mean isnt that one of the primary reasons why people are able to distinguish macs from pcs?

I knew you didn't mean to downgrade apple, but I was just
saying that if apple concentrates too much on uniqueness and
design/aesthetics rather than appeal to the general population,
ease of use, and doingw what is best, then I don't see a good
future ahead of them. 🙁

Originally posted by mim
hey! there are twbo uttons on tis mousse! 2butts 2 butts yeah yeah yeah!

....

no, i'm drunk. just looks that way, all blurred. Continue 1vs2 button flaming. Thankyou.

BTW, I want a button for every finger, and one for my belly.

Bottoms up!
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lol, please refrain from PWI (Posting While Intoxicated 😛), even
though that was pretty funny. 😀
 
Re: Fairly obvious, to me.

Originally posted by Winged Youth
Alright, I think this is pretty straightforward.

The eMac, true to its name, is STILL intended as a low-cost solution for educational customers. Yes, it is sold to consumers, but one way or the other it is DESIGNED for educational use [...] It's by noticing little things like this that make Apple hardware engineers the best out there. I applaud them...

Speaking as the IT Liaison between school sites and the IT dept. for a large school district...

EXACTLY what Winged Youth said, every word of it. End of debate.😱
 
Maybe apple will ship the 'apple mouse' with all their computers,
and offer a 'pro mouse' for $xx.xx. Or ship it with the pro machines.
 
movie quote time...

Originally posted by scem0
Maybe apple will ship the 'apple mouse' with all their computers,
and offer a 'pro mouse' for $xx.xx. Or ship it with the pro machines.

"Or monkeys might fly out of my butt!"

Robot monkeys, that is! Arn, help us! Can you please ban anymore mouse talk for the next 2 weeks! This is nuts! Five pages of freaking talk about a mouse! I'm going to go and scroll some scroll wheels before I go insane! Good-bye!

(No offence scem0)

a.
 
ok guys...let's get this thing back on track here...I won't shut down a thread like this because a few of u cannot keep on topic... 🙄
 
Nothing cheaper here

Personally I do not believe in the theory that these revisions are cheaper to manufacture. Sure the mouse is missing the wheel around the laser but my guess is that most people were not even aware of its function (I for one, at least until I read this thread). As for the keyboard, the same two USB ports are still there so chances are that the same cost is involved in the manufacture of these devices.

If it was up to me I would include even more USB ports on the keyboard. It would also be cool if backlighting was introduced on desktop keyboards.
 
It's cheaper and clunkier for a reason

The emac is designed for Schools. Everyone b!tched that apples were not competitively priced for schools... Well, now they can be.

Also, the new keyboard and mouse have fewer movable parts. This means less chance that students can break them. And they are just easier to build.

For the target market of the eMac, this is all around good.
 
Re: Nothing cheaper here

Originally posted by Sol
Personally I do not believe in the theory that these revisions are cheaper to manufacture. Sure the mouse is missing the wheel around the laser but my guess is that most people were not even aware of its function (I for one, at least until I read this thread).
What does the fact the people didn't know about the click sensitivity ring have to do with the price of tea in China? Less moving parts = less to put together = cheaper to manufacture.
Originally posted by Sol
As for the keyboard, the same two USB ports are still there so chances are that the same cost is involved in the manufacture of these devices.
See above.
Originally posted by Sol
If it was up to me I would include even more USB ports on the keyboard. It would also be cool if backlighting was introduced on desktop keyboards.
These are good ideas, but remember that this would be a non-powered USB hub, and sucking power for the backlight might leave too little for anything you would plug into it.
 
Re: Re: Nothing cheaper here

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
These are good ideas, but remember that this would be a non-powered USB hub, and sucking power for the backlight might leave too little for anything you would plug into it.

Good point. Although backlit keyboard *would* be cool! I suppose linking it via Firewire just for this might be a little x-treme? 😉
 
Re: Re: Re: Nothing cheaper here

Originally posted by rdas7
Good point. Although backlit keyboard *would* be cool! I suppose linking it via Firewire just for this might be a little x-treme? 😉
Hehe - yeah, but if they just left the two USB out ports on it, I'd bet they'd be okay - probably wouldn't use much more than an optical mouse. (maybe less if some kind of "Indiglo" illumination is used)

They could add more ports to the Cinema display's though, those are (or could be) powered by the ADC cable.
 
Ya know.. I haven't posted here in ages... looong ages..

My 2 cents:

I have used 2 button mice as long as I've used computers, I even bought one for my g4, but even playing FPS games and using photoshop like a maniac... I keep finding myself going back to the pro mouse.

Why? It's small, simple, and does what it's needed for.. click here click there.

I dun mind scrollwheels, but don't really need one. There's devices like the powermate which are waaay cooler for this purpose and.. using the pro mouse you have a reason to buy one :EG:

I even use a pro mouse on my pc sitting here on my table.. though I admit... it's a lot harder to work without it there.

Why do I not care? The shortcuts I use the most are on my keyboard!
 
I can't believe I'm chiming in on this!

The first coputer I owned that had a mouse was an Amiga. (Workbench 1.x days FWIW) Had 2 buttons - the right button caused the menu bar to appear (at the top of the screen). From there I moved to Win 3.1 at work (ack!). 2nd button? Win 3.x seemed to completely ignore the 2nd button.

FFwd to my first Mac - a B&W G3, I think I used the puck mouse once and then I moved two a 3rd party, 2 button mouse.

Like most of us, I think Apple should at least offer a 2 or 3 button mouse but they're so cheap that having to buy one is just not an issue for 99.99% of us. I'd bet you could haggle a free one out of most mail order shops or even CompUSA or Frys when you plop down the $$$$ for a PowerMac.
 
Clarification (hopefully)

The only change in the mouse, far as I can see is there is no longer the click firmness adjustment dial. (And the name is simply "Mouse," instead of "Pro Mouse.") Apple's "Apple Keyboard" and "Apple Mouse" are just that -- NON-"pro" versions. The mouse is the same mouse but not adjustable (I don't know how much money they could save on that though.. not like a little plastic wheel would cost a lot, but I'm sure it adds up) and the unadjustable keyboard is the "un-pro" keyboard. Which is pretty much fitting for the eMac, being a machine geared towards education and simplicity.

btw, it's not a laser on the bottom of optical mice. It's only a red LED which illuminates the surface so that the camera can take pictures and make sense of it. That said, they focus the LED for optimal, even light dispersal on the mousing surface, so it can still make your eyes hurt after extended periods of optical-mouse wars 😉 (but it can't cause any harm)
 
Just in case everyone hasn't gotten the message - it's not a laser. 😀 😀 😀 🙄


(And it's not part of the "Alan Parson's Project" either!)
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Re: Clarification (hopefully)

Originally posted by blufire
btw, it's not a laser on the bottom of optical mice.

In fact it is a phaser and the dial on the bottom could be set to 'Stun' or 'Kill'. I guess Apple saves a lot more money by making Kill-only units. What fool would have their phaser set to stun in the first place?
 
making room for something else?

is it me?😕 or does the new mouse look a bit wider?

maybe this means that apple are making room for a flat scroll wheel (like the ipod) and that'll be their pro-mouse?

if it were i'd definately get one.
 
Re: wow one button mouse...

Originally posted by pfranzen
I find it really hard to believe that people defend the one button mouse. I mean the argument that 'there are ways areound it' is just weak. Another way around it is to buy a windows computer...

It's not so much that there are ways around it or anything of that ilk, but if you "computer literate" types like myself have ever taken a basic computers class, surrounding around "Macs" which I had the pleasure to (it was either take it for the easy grade, or pay $25 for a test, only to have to supplant the course with credit hour work at an additional cost... you tell me which is better? Easy A all the way) take, and actually help teach (yes, it was that low a level course I was on a par or more knowledgeable than the instructor) that I'm going to tell you a little secret.

For non literate types ::gasping::






Are you ready for this?!?






1-button mice are hard to use. 😕




HOLY SHNIKEYS!! ::gasping::


The more buttons you add, the more complexity. Watching a non-computer literate person do that which you or I think is "mundane" is like watching a neanderthal figure out what to do with a pencil. I had a guy next to me that I had to actually explain the mouse, the desktop metaphor, the process of clicking on icons, the whole 10-yards.

So in a nutshell, while it might pain some of you to use a single button mouse and control-click, and for those that evolve... having a multibutton option (much like my Kensington Orbit trackball) is a Godsend. For novice users that use eMacs, especially with young kids in education where the machine is most prominent, or with consumers that struggle with the complexity of a 2-button mouse or aren't used to it or don't want the added button... having the single button mouse is a better option.

I just upgraded my father to a 4-button Kensington optical mouse. It's a great mouse, but I had to alter the buttons to simulate his usage of the old ADB beige single button mouse. So yes... right and left click do the same thing, the scroll wheel works like any scroll wheel, and the two outer blue buttons work as right-click. He still struggles with the right-click deal and "NEVER" has had much need to use it, but it just makes the point clearer. An "OPTION" is good for all (low-cost upgrade), but Apple doing away with the single button mouse is a bad idea IMHO for those that think they should dump it for the reasons mentioned above.

I personally will upgrade to a 2-button mouse with scroll wheel. I prefer it and am adept enough to use it, plus I like the right-click contextual menu functionality, as well as the scrollwheel scrolling in applications and web-browsing.

So I'm for Apple to continue on with 1-button mice, because I understand "WHY" they are good.

Yet I'm also for Apple to lose the ridiculous "PRO" nomenclature for a simple one-button mouse and basic keyboard in favor of a two-button mouse with some sort of scroll apparatus (maybe something like Kensington's or a simple wheel), as well as a keyboard with media key functionality (and perhaps a split layout, with a curvature like the Kinesis keyboard, with a usable number pad), and perhaps an iPod-like scroll wheel (could place it between the banks of keys on a split keyboard, with the same media keys as the new iPod; without the illumination; although illuminated keys would be cool too). It might add some heft... but let the end-user choose the Apple Keyboard or Apple Media Keyboard, as well as the Apple Mouse or Apple Pro Mouse. Let them mix and match based on their needs, and have them available to all models on a BTO plan.

I'd even like a wireless RF or Bluetooth keyboard version... although I'd probably take a wired mouse unless they have a recharging station with theirs. Having to have a pesky mouse that goes through AA batteries like candy is not my idea of evolution in the proper sense. LoL Wireless keyboard (without illumination of course) would be practical... wireless mouse that's optical (LED constantly lit) along with transmitting some signal to a receiver is bound to chew some juice. Thanks, but no thanks without a recharging base station (which the iPod now has... so it's not out of the ordinary).
 
New Keyboard Spotted - on "24"

I was just watching the Midnight-1:00am episode of this season of "24" (2nd) from April 1st. I spotted the new Apple keyboard at one of the terminals in CTU-LA. It was at that girl Kerri's cubicle.

Late info, but at least now it's in the open.
 
Evolution

Originally posted by bidge
I have a really high quality eps shot of the keyboard from front on,

instead of having gaps in between the Function keys the escape key is longer and the first row goes up to F13, the R 13 key being the other long one.

Then the other three keys goes up to F16

As noted here earlier, and perhaps overlooked by everyone arguing over mouse buttons, is the fact that the new Apple Keyboard has an F16 key. This is a first for Apple, and even unmatched by the now lesser-equipped Apple Pro Keyboard.

Somebody posted some decent photos here: http://homepage.mac.com/rogiermulder/PhotoAlbum11.html
 
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