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So if the new keyboard is quieter but still has issues, does a keyboard repair still require replacing the entire top half of the case (for ~$700)? If so, I am not interested. The MB/MBPs really need a redesign to make the keyboard easier to repair.
My guess is there is no redesign internally and the top car will be replaced if the keyboard fails. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend so much money on a product that has a design defect
 
Finally the day arrives when you can get a Macbook 13inch with a quad core! If only I could've waited three more years before my upgrade. Oh well. At least my model has ports on it.

nope. "Quieter" - no improvement on the dust/sticky thing
They're not going to advertise "now with a keyboard that won't break" because that would be admitting fault. Likely.. err... hopefully it's been fixed.
 
People crying over prices like if Apple computers were ever affordable to begin with.

Also people are still saying they are using 2010 to 2013 MacBook Pros. Can you imagine using a Windows based laptop for 8 years? That would NOT be good. I would rather spend $4,000 and let my system be usable for 4-5 years than spend $2,000 or so on the Dell XPS laptop and need to upgrade or have it fail after 2 years or so.

It also shows how slow things have progressed in the computer market when people say they are still using 2010 Mac laptops. I still use my 6-core 2010 Mac Pro with the Radeon graphics card it shipped with and it is just as fast as my 2017 iMac with video rendering. The only advantage my iMac has is HEVC support so I can make my file sizes lower. Plus 5K display :)

In 2010, it was almost impossible to use a 2001 computer and still competes with 2010 computers.
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Not every pro is the same. Some need CPU more than GPU (while still needing a Mac environment). I'm seriously considering selling my 2017 iMac for one of these now that the MacBook Pro can have 32 GB RAM. I need graphics capabilities but the GPU in the MacBook Pro is sufficient.

Agreed. We are also in more external world now. I would much rather get a laptop with okay internal graphics and use eGPUs when necessary with great battery life over a computer with an amazing internal gnu with horrible battery life.
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The ports on the right side are limited PCI Express bandwidth. Shortcut by Apple to save battery life and cost.

Now you know.

For the 15" model, all 4 ports are full speed.
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That's the reason why you would buy a MacBook or MacBook Air instead.
Older MacBook Pro's had both an Integrated and "Pro"GPUs that could be used depending on the needs. It was supposed to be a "Revolutionary Feature". What happened to that?

Do the MacBook Airs have 6 cores and 32GB of RAM? That is what I need. Not a GTX 1070 by default.
 
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It is a better business strategy really. If people know exactly when the new stuff will launch that will drastically lower sales in the prior quarter if not longer especially with a product most people only buy every 3-5 years.

No it's definitely a good idea from a business sense. But most readers here don't represent the typical Mac demographic. Your average consumer does not follow tech releases and timeless, they just buy whatever device is there in the store.
 
2 whole ports? Woo-hoo! Thanks, Apple! /s when one of them is for power. Minimum spec 13: $1729 Canadian. Crazy. Still need a lottery win to afford basic MBP.

The Touch Bar 13" has four ports.
I get Apple'd products are a bit overpriced but that's a bit ridiculous.
My wife and I are both in our 20's and don't have issues buying new laptops. Also if you think Canadian prices are high then go to the UK/Europe. I buy most of my electronics in the US as my wife is from there.
 
I have the late 2016 MacBook Pro with touch bar. My keyboard hasn't gone south, but I find it tough to type on, from the feel of it, so I bought the apple keyboard in space gray. I'm not sure that I want to upgrade to the new MacBook Pro due to the keyboard, but I love the other features. I'd like more information on the SSDs, however.
 
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13' 2017 MBP TB owner here. My initial reaction was disappointment because my wife and I just bought nearly maxed out MBP 13' a few months ago.

News articles on this are misleading and wrong. I am no longer disappointed and no, we'll be staying put.



Yeah, the first news article I read on this said that the 13' came with 32GB. They've corrected it since then. This would have bummed me out the most (having just bought a 2017 13' MBP TB). But since 16GB is the max, I'm not even jealous.

The price of $1200 for 2TB … yeah, we're very happy with our 2017 MBP 13' TB laptops. :)


I was using a 2011 Mac Mini with 8GB ram - never once getting close to taxing the ram (even with Word, xcode, Safari with 20+ tabs, etc...), up until we purchased our 2017 MBP 13'. So I'll be happy with 16 GB Ram.

I have a 8GB Macbook 2016 and I do notice myself hitting memory limitations in Safari at times when I have a lot of stuff going on. But if I was buying a new laptop for work I'd like a 32GB 13" MBP, the 15" just feels a bit too big for me (I used to have a Retina MacBook Pro). The 13" Pro is small and portable like my 12" MacBook that I would be happy changing.

The SSD costs are absolutely exorbitant. I'm about to build a new desktop soon and I am looking at 2TB NVMe SSD's costing less than the upgrade price on these laptops.
 
Perspective:

Intel's first 10nm 'Cannon Lake' processor with 32GB LPDDR4 RAM support ships
Thursday, May 17, 2018, 06:53 am PT (09:53 am ET)


Apple Still lagging behind. PC industry moves to new chips fast, you’ll see new intel architectures in a matter of months.
 
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Just like good ole’ MR. Apple does something good and releases new hardware and most everyone here is bitching about it. SMH

Seriously. We have to hear the same thing regarding NVIDIA GPUs. We get it guys. We have no idea what the business relationship is between Apple and NVIDIA. Apple and AMD seem to have a very good relationship.

Also, these are laptops. I prefer Apple balancing internal graphics with battery life. If I need more power, I have eGPUs. We are not in the 2000s anymore. External speed has skyrocketed. An external 4TB Samsung 850 EVO is just as fast as internal SATA3 speeds.
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Actually no, its only about 500 dollars, as I was specing out the Dell, Razer and MBP and a dell with 4k/512GB/16GB of ram was coming in at 2,100 and a similarly configured MBP was 2,600. This is for the 15" model

Yep. To some, that $500 does not have enough benefits. To others, it does. I prefer macOS to Windows 10 (this is someone that spend $1,000 on Windows 10 licenses as soon as it was available) and would pay $200 for macOS alone. For the other $300, say what you want about them, but Apples Pages/Numbers/Keynote programs are not that bad for what I need it for - which I receive for free. That saves me with the Office 365 subscription or Office 2016 boxed set price. The build quality (at least to me) still seems better than the Dell XPS in some ways, so that is another thing. For what I do, AMD cards are actually better than NVIDIA cards. I never used a Dell XPS from 8-5 daily for weeks to know, but I think MacBook Pros still have more battery life. When I was just using Pages one day, I was able to get 14 hours of battery life on my 2016 MacBook Pro.

These are all subjective. That is what makes the $500 "premium" worth it for me. Others may disagree, which is fine and good because there is a choice out there.
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Camera is 720p.
Display is good.
TouchBar is gimmick.
Keyboard is questionable.
Trackpad is good.
CPU is good.
RAM is good.
Storage is only 256GB at £2400.
GPU is 3 years old. GTX 1050 will outperform this. Similar windows laptops have GTX 1060 for less cost.
Battery is good.

On my list of things to improve, only thing that is now ticked is RAM. But most important for me is GPU which is still lacking, Navi would have been better or GTX wound have been great but alas.

Gimmick is subjective. As someone that works in FCPX, I use the Touch Bar A LOT. It might be a gimmick to you, but not to me. I find touch screens a gimmick. Do you? We can have different opinions.

And actually, for what I do, AMD cards perform better than NVIDIA cards. Guys, it depends on the work and what the software you use is optimized for.
 
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It's still $3000 with only 8GB and 256GB in NZ for the 13" TB model! Come on Apple you were charging less then that over 5 years ago can we please see a bump in the base specs? The new Surface Laptop is starting to look very attractive.
 
Out of the shadows …

It seems clear who the 'pros' are and who 'wishes/fantasizes to be a pro' (read: enthusiast) in this discussion.

A pro needs to get things done, an enthusiast likes to play with pro hardware and compare spec charts.

I am sure there are 'pros' who will not find these satisfactory. They adapt and continue to produce. For those that are actually working in a 'pro' capacity the price of any extra (RAM, SSD, etc) is a cost factored into the business.

The enthusiast crowd, however, will go on ad infinum as to how Apple (or Intel or AMD or Microsoft) are jerking the world around denying them the UnobtaniumBook, snarking about the last 9.5% of performance that is probably required less than 1.86% of the time.

Having just spent a 18 months trying to go to PC including a $4000 Threadripper workstation … short of long renders I am still to this day more productive on a 2013 rMPB.

Nothing I just said is new info.

I agree. These prices are meaningless to actual professionals. Video editors or photographers can probably make up the price of the top of the line system in one job.

Also, it is unfair to yell at Apple for something that was not provided. NVIDIA is the most common complaint here. How can you yell at Apple when there were no rumors, no news from Apple, or anything indicating that NVIDIA cards would be available now?

We have no idea on the relationship between Apple and NVIDIA.
 
Still no return of the 17 inch.
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Alas it is unlikely to happen. The 17" MacBook Pro was a product of the old Apple before focus was shifted to additional products such as the HomePod. Look how Apple have neglected the Mac mini that would never have happened when it was Steve Job's Apple.
What a shame because I had a late 2011 17-inch that was fully spec'd out and wish I could get another since it no longer works.
 
This is a genuine question: were you not around for the iPhone 6/6+ BendGate debate? Apple came out with a demonstration on how a person could sit on the iPhone 6/6+ and it wouldn't bend.
I specifically want to know when Apple execs ever compared the 6/6 Plus to the 5 or 5S in terms of how easy (or not) it was to bend yer phone.
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Larger screen in the same footprint.
Good grief the bezels on the MBP aren’t that wide.
 
Apple is the only company penalized for not putting in chips that don't fit their thermal constraints and/or released yet

Apple is penalized for putting form over function in their top end notebooks and designing thermal constraints that are asinine given the chips that actually exist in the real world. All in the name of making a super-thin ultrabook and then trying to pretend it's a machine for power users.
 
If Apple found a way to reanimate Steve Jobs and he announced the most groundbreaking laptop ever. MacRumors comment page would have 50 pages of people bitching about something in the next hour. This has become the single biggest troll site on the web.

I just bought a loaded 13 last weekend, I guess it goes back Saturday and the new one ordered. Lots of bitching about the price but option for option exactly the same as last year.
 
The Touchbar needs to be optional, I do not want to have to look down to adjust brightness, volume, trigger dashboard, etc. I am so glad I maxed out my 2014 MBP, hopefully it lasts several more years.

Guaranteed you most likely still look to type the function key row. It’s not usually taught for touch typing. Maybe you’re really old school, like Tim burners-lee old school (darpanet).

Are you a time-traveller from 2008? Because you are about 10 years late with that complaint. MacBook Pro has always had integrated graphics.

I think I recall in 2008-2013 AluMB/MBP in each configuration had Nvidia GeForce 300/310/etc NorthBridge controller.
 
I was not frustrated with razer, I too did a return, but the money showed back up, a few days after receiving the laptop. They did project a lengthy wait that scared me, but I was notified by amex of the credit, so overall it wasn't a bad experience.

I too used AmEx. After almost two weeks I disputed the charge. A few days later Razor refunded the money. I guess mileage will vary.
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I was not frustrated with razer, I too did a return, but the money showed back up, a few days after receiving the laptop. They did project a lengthy wait that scared me, but I was notified by amex of the credit, so overall it wasn't a bad experience.

Why did you return yours?
 
I still think they can do better than this. Bring back the old (working) keyboard, MagSafe and add Touch ID but not the gimmicky Touch Bar.
 
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