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How about the unlucky who got the vaccine and still died.
Unfortunately the .019% that had adverse reactions, although it's a sad event, it's a necessary step toward moving forward and getting out of this. 30000 adverse reactions / 382M pop. of US = .019% (approximately) I guess you are more than welcome to abstain but I wonder if getting the vaccine is less dangerous than getting covid.
 
My company offered everyone a bonus for the difficult times of CV19 but to be eligible you needed to be vaccinated. There are lots of ways around mandates.
Well when a company has to bribe its employees to take something it almost resembles the illicit drug business where the first hit is free.
 
Unfortunately the .019% that had adverse reactions, although it's a sad event, it's a necessary step toward moving forward and getting out of this. 30000 adverse reactions / 382M pop. of US = .019% (approximately) I guess you are more than welcome to abstain but I wonder if getting the vaccine is less dangerous than getting covid.

VAERS is under reported. ;)

 
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As opposed to going into the office with covid and infecting random people and running the risk of intubation or worse? That would be a worse liability for a business. And beyond that an unvaccinated person coming into the office and then getting covid. Seems like a lose-lose all the way around.
CV19 is not that deadly for most working age people. Businesses will not be liable as long as they follow reasonable precautions. You can calculate your risk.


For most people that are not overweight under 60 CV19 has less risk to life than driving to work. I got the vaccine because I work around high risk people but for the majority of young people getting the disease is about as painful as getting the moderna vaccine (I got the pfizer and it was nothing).
 
I am really questioning medical professionals pushing opioids because you know the crisis is made up. Trust the big pharma companies and the paid off doctors. /s
Opioids? Are we all talking about the same thing here?
 
How about the unlucky who got the vaccine and still died.
Rare complications to vaccinations are well-understood and long pre-date these COVID vaccines. My grandmother's a good example. She's partially blind in one eye after she almost died getting the polio vaccine when she was a child due to a severe rare allergic reaction. They tried twice to vaccinate her. The doctor ended up just giving her a nick in the arm so that she could say she got the vaccine and attend school. Given rare cases like this, I don't think anyone (her included) would argue that the world would be a better place if we hadn't had mass polio vaccinations. Statistical outliers suck but they're just a reality. From your source it looks like there are 2602 deaths reported (close to half being in the 81-100 age group) from all of the vaccines combined. 570,000+ have died in the US from COVID.
 
It's an important question. We have data that answers the question and it shows that these vaccines will end up saving many lives. It's important how you look at it. The vaccine may not be necessary for you personally to stay safe and healthy given your age, health, etc., but it will help you not spread it to others that are at-risk or happen to be one of the unlucky few who are healthy but still experience severe symptoms.
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The data is pretty good. Keep in mind the entire curve is between 0-2.5%. This is a rare disease and thankfully disappearing.
 
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CV19 is not that deadly for most working age people. Businesses will not be liable as long as they follow reasonable precautions. You can calculate your risk.


For most people that are not overweight under 60 CV19 has less risk to life than driving to work. I got the vaccine because I work around high risk people but for the majority of young people getting the disease is about as painful as getting the moderna vaccine (I got the pfizer and it was nothing).
I personally wouldn't want to be the healthy under 30 person, who wound up hospitalized and died in the hospital from covid. Yeah statistics are saying one thing, but it guarantee you won't be hospitalized, intubated, live and have your life changed forever.
 
Rare complications to vaccinations are well-understood and long pre-date these COVID vaccines. My grandmother's a good example. She's partially blind in one eye after she almost died getting the polio vaccine when she was a child due to a severe rare allergic reaction. They tried twice to vaccinate her and she almost died because of it. The doctor ended up just giving her a nick in the arm so that she could say she got the vaccine and attend school. Given rare cases like this, I don't think anyone (her included) would argue that the world would be a better place if we hadn't had mass polio vaccinations. Statistical outliers suck but they're just a reality. From your source it looks like there are 2602 deaths reported (close to half being in the 81-100 age group) from all of the vaccines combined. 570,000+ have died in the US from COVID.
It’s under reported and those number represent approximately 1% or under as per Harvard.
 
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Rare complications to vaccinations are well-understood and long pre-date these COVID vaccines. My grandmother's a good example. She's partially blind in one eye after she almost died getting the polio vaccine when she was a child due to a severe rare allergic reaction. They tried twice to vaccinate her and she almost died because of it. The doctor ended up just giving her a nick in the arm so that she could say she got the vaccine and attend school. Given rare cases like this, I don't think anyone (her included) would argue that the world would be a better place if we hadn't had mass polio vaccinations. Statistical outliers suck but they're just a reality. From your source it looks like there are 2602 deaths reported (close to half being in the 81-100 age group) from all of the vaccines combined. 570,000+ have died in the US from COVID.
That comparison isn't useful. The question is what your individual risk is. IF you are young and healthy CV19 poses almost no risk so the vaccine makes no sense if someone can die from it. I am pro-vaccine but not aggressively so. If we vaccinate all the high risk people (which is almost done) then deaths will fall so fast it will not matter much what young or low risk people do. CV19 is a weird disease - deadly in fat people and the elderly and on average nearly harmless in others.
 
I personally wouldn't want to be the healthy under 30 person, who wound up hospitalized and died in the hospital from covid. Yeah statistics are saying one thing, but it guarantee you won't be hospitalized, intubated, live and have your life changed forever.
This was a question that was asked and in another country it was answered that unlike masks and medication that can be mandated by governments and enforced by companies and businesses, vaccines do not fall under this rule of law.
 
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That comparison isn't useful. The question is what your individual risk is. IF you are young and healthy CV19 poses almost no risk so the vaccine makes no sense if someone can die from it. I am pro-vaccine but not aggressively so. If we vaccinate all the high risk people (which is almost done) then deaths will fall so fast it will not matter much what young or low risk people do. CV19 is a weird disease - deadly in fat people and the elderly and on average nearly harmless in others.
Nearly harmless is anecdotal. It doesn't take into account that "young, healthy" people take weeks to be able to walk down the stairs without being exhausted, or any of the other reported side effects like blood clots. Yeah you live, but it's not like getting over a cold. And yes, I know way too many people who had covid, only a couple said it was like a cold. The remainder had a recover period.
 
I personally wouldn't want to be the healthy under 30 person, who wound up hospitalized and died in the hospital from covid. Yeah statistics are saying one thing, but it guarantee you won't be hospitalized, intubated, live and have your life changed forever.
Thats as useful as saying I dont want to be the cop that has a brick thrown at his head. No one wants bad things to happen. The question when making decisions is how likely are they and should you mitigate the risk.
 
It’s a valid comparison, nothing wrong with that.
I think you need to brush up on your definition of an opioid, because I don’t see the comparison.

Opioids are a class of drugs naturally found in the opium poppy plant and that work in the brain to produce a variety of effects, including the relief of pain with many of these drugs.

Opioids can be prescription medications often referred to as painkillers, or they can be so-called street drugs, such as heroin.

Many prescription opioids are used to block pain signals between the brain and the body and are typically prescribed to treat moderate to severe pain. In addition to controlling pain, opioids can make some people feel relaxed, happy or “high,” and can be addictive. Additional side effects can include slowed breathing, constipation, nausea, confusion and drowsiness.
 
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Nearly harmless is anecdotal. It doesn't take into account that "young, healthy" people take weeks to be able to walk down the stairs without being exhausted, or any of the other reported side effects like blood clots. Yeah you live, but it's not like getting over a cold. And yes, I know way too many people who had covid, only a couple said it was like a cold. The remainder had a recover period.
Only on the internet does someone reply to data with an anecdote and tell you an average outcome in studies is anecdotal. But hey - I recommend the vaccine. I think the vaccine is nearly harmless. My point is people dont need to be scared and if they are young and low risk they dont need to stress about the vaccine one way or the other or live in fear of CV19 because probabilistically it poses no risk to them, your anecdotes aside. Just a little nuance and trade offs is useful for the US which seems to have descended into hysteria about everything in a black/white way.
 
That comparison isn't useful. The question is what your individual risk is. IF you are young and healthy CV19 poses almost no risk so the vaccine makes no sense if someone can die from it. I am pro-vaccine but not aggressively so. If we vaccinate all the high risk people (which is almost done) then deaths will fall so fast it will not matter much what young or low risk people do. CV19 is a weird disease - deadly in fat people and the elderly and on average nearly harmless in others.
Sorry, but this is not the right take.

The risks from any covid vaccine right now are vastly, VASTLY lower than the risks from catching covid, across all age groups. Even in children and young adults—who CAN get seriously sick from covid (and spread it to others, regardless).

Vaccinating all age groups is the only way to reach heard immunity, which is the only way to (potentially) put covid behind us. If we don’t, it will continue to mutate into variants that slip past the vaccines.

We need to be better than this. Getting vaccinated protects others as well as yourself. When did our society become so selfish?
 
So is this a vaccine or gene therapy. Because I don’t know when I get a tetanus vaccine it does not mean I stay away from rusty objects.
You'll be fine around rusty objects, just don't stab people without the tetanus shots with rusty objects. Just because you you have the vaccine doesn't mean the virus and still be contracted from you, but you'll be fine.
 
I think you need to brush up on your definition of an opioid, because I don’t see the comparison.

Opioids are a class of drugs naturally found in the opium poppy plant and that work in the brain to produce a variety of effects, including the relief of pain with many of these drugs.

Opioids can be prescription medications often referred to as painkillers, or they can be so-called street drugs, such as heroin.


Many prescription opioids are used to block pain signals between the brain and the body and are typically prescribed to treat moderate to severe pain. In addition to controlling pain, opioids can make some people feel relaxed, happy or “high,” and can be addictive. Additional side effects can include slowed breathing, constipation, nausea, confusion and drowsiness.
So the opioid crisis for prescription, illicit or a combination is all made up, got it and J&J was not taken to court and settled along with other pharma companies. I am well aware of its usage the issue is that it’s over prescribed by doctors when other meds will do that are not highly addictive and destructive.

But hey the doctors are rich, the pharma companies are rich and you are left with nothing whole resorting to means to get your next addiction fix brought on my prescriptions and oh the pharma companies know nothing about it.
 
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