Apple Launches Employee Program for COVID-19 Vaccinations

[gaximus]

Unfortunately the .019% that had adverse reactions, although it's a sad event, it's a necessary step toward moving forward and getting out of this. 30000 adverse reactions / 382M pop. of US = .019% (approximately) I guess you are more than welcome to abstain but I wonder if getting the vaccine is less dangerous than getting covid.

30,000 adverse reactions / the amount of people that have received the vaccine(not the total population of the US)

 

[wigby]

no-one can force you ...

Of course not but there is a difference between requiring it and forcing it. Employees can be terminated for non-compliance but there is always the possibility of wrongful termination lawsuits. It probably comes down to who has more power (employers or employees) in CA state employment laws. I know that here in NJ, employees have much more power in the courts than their employers.

 

[code-m]

We need to be better than this. Getting vaccinated protects others as well as yourself. When did our society become so selfish?

As a person and individual you are responsible for yourself and any underage dependants that is all. Your significant other is responsible for themselves and any underage dependants in their care. As the caring person you are there must not be any homeless people in the city you live. No food banks or shelters in your city.

 

[jav6454]

While I agree that this is true, they can't ask if you've had it because of HIPAA, or how does that work?

HIPPA actually allows employers to request that information:

Under HIPAA, an employer can ask an employee for a doctor's note related to sick leave, workers compensation, wellness programs or health insurance. HIPAA does not protect employment records.

So yes, HIPPA does not interfere with that.

 

[code-m]

Of course not but there is a difference between requiring it and forcing it. Employees can be terminated for non-compliance but there is always the possibility of wrongful termination lawsuits. It probably comes down to who has more power (employers or employees) in CA state employment laws. I know that here in NJ, employees have much more power in the courts than their employers.

In CA if an employers mandates an employee to get it, if that employee has an acute, chronic side-effect or death who pays. Best not to says VAERS as that is like going though many hoops to receive any compensation. Some have been successful many well.

 

[Cosmosent]

What most don't realize, IMO, is that we're going to be with the Status Quo for years.

Due in large part to Reluctance (by 1/3 OR more of the population here in the States) to get vaccinated.

In other words, we won't (possibly, ever) reach Herd Immunity here in the States.

BTW, I get my 2nd Pfizer shot on Tuesday, & am excited to be doing so !

 

[code-m]

HIPPA actually allows employers to request that information:


So yes, HIPPA does not interfere with that.

This is inaccurate HIPPA permits an employer to request from an employee for a note related to sickness the illness does not need to be disclosed.

 

[wigby]

I am really questioning medical professionals pushing opioids because you know the crisis is made up. Trust the big pharma companies and the paid off doctors. /s

The problem is that everyone has a different definition of "crisis". To medical professionals, if even one person dies, it's a crisis. This is unrealistic when making policies that affect billions but on the other hand it only takes one uninformed public official to say that the virus is a hoax or totally under control to create enough confusion and distrust making infection and death rates much worse than they should have been. Calling the economic fallout from the pandemic a "crisis" is just as dangerous and politicizing.

 

[EricNau]

As a person and individual you are responsible for yourself and any underage dependants that is all. Your significant other is responsible for themselves and any underage dependants in their care. As the caring person you are there must not be any homeless people in the city you live. No food banks or shelters in your city.

Like I said, when did we become so selfish? 🙂

We’re all in this together. Pandemics don’t go away any other way.

It’s sad when people don’t realize the benefits they receive every day from others employing a more collective attitude, and aren’t willing to pay it back in kind.

 

[jav6454]

This is legally debatable. If an employer mandates an employee or potential employee to take it it runs the risk of liability that may cause acute, chorionic and/or death.

Under EUA perhaps, once fully authorized they can.

 

[code-m]

What most don't realize, IMO, is that we're going to be with the Status Quo for years.

Due in large part to Reluctance (by 1/3 OR more of the population here in the States) to get vaccinated.

In other words, we won't (possibly, ever) reach Herd Immunity here in the States.

BTW, I get my 2nd Pfizer shot on Tuesday, & am excited to be doing so !

Vaccine based herd immunity varies for every disease, I have seen numbers tossed around for this one, some say 60, 70, 90, etc.

 

[MN7119]

not until it’s actually approved. Currently it’s EUA

More than 30 colleges now say Covid vaccines will be mandatory for fall 2021

The number of colleges and universities that will require students be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 is suddenly escalating.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Bokito]

Where is the privacy in this? I don’t think there are many other countries where employers other than hospitals set up a vaccination program for their own personnel.

 

[code-m]

Like I said, when did we become so selfish? 🙂

We’re all in this together. Pandemics don’t go away any other way.

It’s sad when people don’t realize the benefits they receive every day from others employing a more collective attitude, and aren’t willing to pay it back in kind.

Did the Sub-Prime mortgage crisis not inform you of people’s greed and selfishness? Were you asleep during those years.

 

[benshive]

It’s under reported and those number represent approximately 1% or under as per Harvard.

Also, it's important to realize that anyone can submit a reported illness to VAERS and that they're not verified before appearing in the database available on the site. I actually wasn't aware of this until now. Even the CDC warns that because of this the data isn't always helpful when using it to evaluate vaccine injuries with certainty.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

• Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
• Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
• The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
• VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
• VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information

(emphasis added by me)

 

[code-m]

Under EUA perhaps, once fully authorized they can.

It’s debatable and more of a wait and see on lawsuits, etc.

 

[jav6454]

This is inaccurate HIPPA permits an employer to request from an employee for a note related to sickness the illness does not need to be disclosed.

Directly from HHS.gov

Employment Records​

The Privacy Rule does not protect your employment records, even if the information in those records is health-related. In most cases, the Privacy Rule does not apply to the actions of an employer.

If you work for a health plan or a covered health care provider:

• The Privacy Rule does not apply to your employment records.
• The Rule does protect your medical or health plan records if you are a patient of the provider or a member of the health plan.

Requests from your employer​

Your employer can ask you for a doctor’s note or other health information if they need the information for sick leave, workers’ compensation, wellness programs, or health insurance.

 

[wigby]

Did the Sub-Prime mortgage crisis not inform you of people’s greed and selfishness? Were you asleep during those years.

Not to get off topic but the mortgage crisis was created by the top 1%. The selfishness of anti-vaxxing campaigns falls squarely in the other 99%. Completely different factions with completely different motives.

 

[code-m]

Also, it's important to realize that anyone can submit a reported illness to VAERS and that they're not verified before appearing in the database available on the site. I actually wasn't aware of this until now. Even the CDC warns that because of this the data isn't always helpful when using it to evaluate vaccine injuries with certainty.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

Harvard made some recommendations to automate the process, but CDC would not bother. One of them was if a person had an adverse reaction, their would go to their family physician and that record would be automatically captured as there are some medically professionals that have never heard of VAERS. You will be surprised that many health care professionals just follow rather than investigate.

 

[Madmic23]

Oh no! Think of all of the spy chips that Bill Gates will have inside Apple HQ now! Apple is doomed! 😄

 

[CubeHacker]

So the opioid crisis for prescription, illicit or a combination is all made up, got it and J&J was not taken to court and settled along with other pharma companies. I am well aware of its usage the issue is that it’s over prescribed by doctors when other meds will do that are not highly addictive and destructive.

But hey the doctors are rich, the pharma companies are rich and you are left with nothing whole resorting to means to get your next addiction fix brought on my prescriptions and oh the pharma companies know nothing about it.

I still do not seen the connection to opioids. Are people getting addicted to the covid vaccine now?

 

[code-m]

Directly from HHS.gov

Your employer can ask you for a doctors not to say you were sick for 1-3 days but the note does not need to say for the specific reason. Mr./Miss/Non-Binary was off from work from this date to this date due to an acute/chronic onset of symptoms. Something along those lines. The note should not say it was due to a STD/I, etc.

 

[code-m]

I still do not seen the connection to opioids. Are people getting addicted to the covid vaccine now?

Be skeptical of any medical advice and best to get a second opinion. Too many people have blind trust in doctors that there maybe a conflict of interest for that all expenses paid vacation to Tahiti for a week by your friendly big pharma.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

I’m really surprised by how many are pushing for an unapproved vaccine.

I'm not surprised by the push, but I am surprised to see so many colleges requiring a vaccine next fall that doesn't have FDA approval.

That said, I'm getting my second dose next week, but I do have issues with requirements to get this vaccine before it has FDA approval. The military isn't even requiring it yet.

 

[code-m]

Oh no! Think of all of the spy chips that Bill Gates will have inside Apple HQ now! Apple is doomed! 😄

What are you talking about? You have a smartphone in your pocket you are being tracked unless you are smart and know how to limit data release.