I'm sure people said the same thing about the video editing market, until Apple released Final Cut Pro X. Apple is pretty good at disrupting lots of "mature" markets. People may not like their new take on editing, but few could claim it's not a really big rethink. There's still plenty of room for innovation in the DAW market, and most likely even something as shocking as FCP X. However with this version of Logic I think Apple is mainly playing it safe. It's a solid release with some really nice features, but it doesn't shake things up the way its video editing sibling did.
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Apple Launches Logic Pro X with Virtual Drummer and Flex Pitch
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I'm sure people said the same thing about the video editing market, until Apple released Final Cut Pro X. Apple is pretty good at disrupting lots of "mature" markets. People may not like their new take on editing, but few could claim it's not a really big rethink. There's still plenty of room for innovation in the DAW market, and most likely even something as shocking as FCP X. However with this version of Logic I think Apple is mainly playing it safe. It's a solid release with some really nice features, but it doesn't shake things up the way its video editing sibling did.
Well let's see. First of all it's not an upgrade as there is no upgrade pricing. It's a completely new version number, which you could call an update given a lot of code is probably shared, but it's not an upgrade. Secondly, it's not at a lower price point here. It's the same price as Logic Pro 9 was in the app store. Lastly, there have been rumours of Logic Pro X for at least two years. That did not mean it was coming anytime soon, or even at all.
Call apple again. They have given refunds to tons of people, mostly ones that are in the last 30 days but there have been a couple lucky ones further back than that. Keep calling and you should end up with someone who will approve it.
And PT does not have it, when 11 was released there was absolutely no grace period at all. The version before that was only a three week grace period (I was within a month and just missed that by a couple days, and they wouldn't budge on it).
It is. The drum kits can be played, you can generate patterns from the automatic stuff, and you can convert the generated patterns to midi and customize them by hand, as well as using those patterns with any other drum instrument.
To me it looks something like Stylus RMX or EZ drummer. There are loops and patterns but it's easy to edit them into something completely new. So they can be used for really lazy stuff that sounds like everything else, or they can be used just as a starting point and turned into something totally different.
This is what I have been waiting for!!!
For a year now I have been holding off on purchasing Logic Pro till X hit the market. I knew it was coming but it took longer than I expected. I am looking forward to learning this software. Has anyone heard how the piano samples sound?
For a year now I have been holding off on purchasing Logic Pro till X hit the market. I knew it was coming but it took longer than I expected. I am looking forward to learning this software. Has anyone heard how the piano samples sound?
Oh, H - E - double hockey sticks. Now I'm gonna hafta wait for LogicXI to write that world shattering record of mine.... that is if Apple finally incorporates the "computer, make me some music" command. What the heck are them programmers doing over there in cuppertino anyways... playing tiddlywinks all day long??
I'm confused because the previous upgrade price is basically the same as the current full price. So why would people be upset?
I didn't expect it to be released this week. Does that make you feel better?
FCPX? Check!
FCPX? Double check!
Now there's a difference, since FCP went from FCPS on disc to FCPX on App store. I wonder if FCPS had been on the AS if the price would've been lower than disk.
FCPX? Check!
So.... adding a feature YOU don't want automatically makes the ENTIRE environment a kiddie program? Oh excuse me, a professional kiddie program.
There's a lot of features in Logic 9 I don't use or necessarily care for, but I don't mind them being there because I don't have to use them. I'm still debating whether to even get Logic X at this time, so I have no idea how this drummer thing behaves, but I do know that I very often use basic tempo repeating beat tracks while I lay down the beginnings of a song as it makes it much easier to keep perfect time and get at least some inkling of rhythm started. I eventually remove (well mute) the track and put in my own drums. So I'm thinking if this thing can put down a real time beat track it might be useful in the early stages of a song. I surely wouldn't expect or even want it to do my drums for me. OTOH, not everyone out there has good timing and drumming skills. Not everyone out there is creating entire albums by themselves like some of us are either and might want some basic fill to toy with a piano part or whatever and pass it on to the next guy in the band or whatever. In short, I don't see the point in slamming a feature just because it seems like a toy at first. I still use my Roland Digital Piano's own built in beat tracks to play around with ideas in the living room as I find it helpful to hear some ideas to a pop or rock beat or whatever. Not every tool is for recording. Sometimes tools are good for helping creative ideas form.
So everyone on here who uses Logic (even professionally) is also a great singer in addition to being an ace drummer, master guitar player, concert pianist, etc.? I originally intended to write songs to sell to publishing companies for other artists to potentially pick up, but I discovered I could actually sing pretty well. I've touched up pitch on long holds in a couple of spots with Autotune, but for the most part I didn't need it on most of the songs. That doesn't mean it's not a useful tool or even to generate an electronic type sound (on overkill). Admittedly, there are a lot of "artists" out there that are famous and can't sing a note (image seems to be more important, although I wonder if that's as true as it was in the hey day of music videos and the original MTV where if you didn't look good (or at least freaky), you couldn't sell a tune to save your life (shame for real music and musicians, but obviously selling crap is the name of the game, not appealing to the high end snobs (i.e. J.K. Rowing isn't stinking rich because she's a great writer in line with Shakespeare; she's stinking rich because she wrote an appealing kids story).
I used to think the same way about automatic SLR cameras back when I was into photography in a big way. It made it so much easier for people to get "decent" (and the occasional great) photos, that it seemed unfair to those of us that know how to manually focus, expose and even develop film (i.e. real skills). Then came digital and it made it that much simpler to edit photos in things like Photoshop, take a zillion photos at high speed hoping to get a good one, etc. etc. It removes a lot of the old school skills that used to be REQUIRED in order to get truly great photos and starts to blur the lines. Basically, if you can frame things, you can get by these days (at least in daylight). Even if you can't frame things, you can always crop them later. Hell, I still find it irritating. The main difference between my brother and I is he'll take 2000 photos on a trip and 20 of them will look great and I'll take 200 photos and nearly ALL of them will look great plus I can take photos (night photos, long exposure effects, etc.) that even modern cameras don't generally do on their own.
In other words, no auto-drummer or even some future auto composer feature is going to write a song like Rock of Ages or Billie Jean. Apple does know there's money in selling to hobbyists and dabblers (probably a LOT more than to professionals as Final Cut X has shown).
Very little has changed in MainStage, but I'm glad they fixed the bug, where in editing in fullscreen mode, while dragging the layers the whole window would move out of the picture...
But right now on my MBP8,2 running 10.8.4 the fullscreen performance is totally messed up:
I guess I'll give LPX some growing up time, before I make the purchase...
But right now on my MBP8,2 running 10.8.4 the fullscreen performance is totally messed up:
I guess I'll give LPX some growing up time, before I make the purchase...
The transition from Logic Pro 9 to Logic Pro X has been very easy, easyer than expected.
I really love the new midi effects(plugins) that's a part of the new Logic Pro X. I'm using an external synth (Moog Sub Phatty), and now i have the option to make a midi plugin LFO, Env or Arpeggiator witch can modulate all the knobs on the synth - this is giving me many options especially then the Sub Phatty only hardware wise has one LFO that controls pitch, filter and wave and one ENV for filter and one for Amp. No modulation limitations now - COOL.
The Midi plugins can also be used on software synths.
One thing i don't like very much is the automation part, i would have liked to see some improvements there.
I really love the new midi effects(plugins) that's a part of the new Logic Pro X. I'm using an external synth (Moog Sub Phatty), and now i have the option to make a midi plugin LFO, Env or Arpeggiator witch can modulate all the knobs on the synth - this is giving me many options especially then the Sub Phatty only hardware wise has one LFO that controls pitch, filter and wave and one ENV for filter and one for Amp. No modulation limitations now - COOL.
The Midi plugins can also be used on software synths.
One thing i don't like very much is the automation part, i would have liked to see some improvements there.
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With software releases in the past, there's normally been a small tidbit like "Apple may release LPX this week". There wasn't anything at all, that's what got me.
Good job on Apples part for keeping it under wraps.
Is anyone using this with a control surface?
I am curious at how good or bad the control surface support is. Specifically bidirectional support for stuff like the lcd displays etc on various controls for plugins.
I'm rebuilding my studio this fall so I anticipate picking up a new control surface (I'm using an old digidesign session 8 controller now).
Guess I am concerned that I will have to pick a controller to suit Logic.
I am curious at how good or bad the control surface support is. Specifically bidirectional support for stuff like the lcd displays etc on various controls for plugins.
I'm rebuilding my studio this fall so I anticipate picking up a new control surface (I'm using an old digidesign session 8 controller now).
Guess I am concerned that I will have to pick a controller to suit Logic.
Cool, where are those $100 gift cards for $80?
This looks totally worth $160.
Time to kick Paranoid Pro Tools to the curb?
I'm still using PT8...those clowns force you to have the interface, midi controller (finally fixed at v.10) AND THE DONGLE in at all times...because why would you ever want to listen to/work on unfinished tracks on the go?
Dongles are donzo.
Will somebody please wake up Avid?
They're drooling all over our stuff again...
Without the curtesy of calling it urine.
This looks totally worth $160.
Time to kick Paranoid Pro Tools to the curb?
I'm still using PT8...those clowns force you to have the interface, midi controller (finally fixed at v.10) AND THE DONGLE in at all times...because why would you ever want to listen to/work on unfinished tracks on the go?
Dongles are donzo.
Will somebody please wake up Avid?
They're drooling all over our stuff again...
Without the curtesy of calling it urine.
As someone who does image processing and solving differential equations for a living, and who is trying to learn drumming, I find this hilarious. Drumming is a lot harder than those things!
As someone who does image processing and solving differential equations for a living, and who is trying to learn drumming, I find this hilarious. Drumming is a lot harder than those things!
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Funny thing is Pro Tools is one of Avids best products. Try using their video gear and you will go mad.
They not only expect you to have the dongle and the hardware plugged in but you also need to pick the computer from a short list of approved configurations. The models are almost exclusively HP, Dell and Lenovo. And they often are a year or more behind the current models.
As someone who does image processing and solving differential equations for a living, and who is trying to learn drumming, I find this hilarious. Drumming is a lot harder than those things!
I'm sure many a stereotypical nerd type has said similar things about playing football or basketball. To the non-motor skill challenged, however, it's not that difficult to pick up the basic skills, especially for typical rock songs (not every song needs Neil Peart). I mean come on, Tommy Lee is a drummer for god's sake and I can't picture him doing too many equations....
I'm sure many a stereotypical nerd type has said similar things about playing football or basketball. To the non-motor skill challenged, however, it's not that difficult to pick up the basic skills, especially for typical rock songs (not every song needs Neil Peart). I mean come on, Tommy Lee is a drummer for god's sake and I can't picture him doing too many equations....
True, but most songs would be better with Neil Peart.
I would hope even "non-musicians" aspire to something greater then being the next deadmau5.
Besides, I thought Skrillex was already the next deadmau5. Does the world need two deadmau5es, ...deadmi5, ...deadmau5's, ...guys who walk out on stage and press play?
Deadmau5 makes his own music, just not on stage... not even Shrillex composes on stage. They just remix their own songs when playing live. Try checking out some of deadmau5's live ustreams sometime when he's working on new stuff.
http://youtu.be/De-5H_1_ecE