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Apple Launches Logic Pro X with Virtual Drummer and Flex Pitch
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wanna know what happens when you bounce a file in Protools.... then bounce the same file out in Logic, play them on top of each other with one of them out of phase?
......they cancel out.
What does that tell you?
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Look n Feel, Price and Content
1) Just wondering how such a piece of software can look so extremely different than the new direction they're going with with their iOS7 (which I'm guessing will also transition onto OS X)?
Even if you disregard the ethereal, transparent "non-look" of iOS 7, how can a brand new product like this still include these 1990 clipart style icons?
2) Anyone a little upset that the price doesn't include any upgrades for previous users?
3) I also want to research and see if the new Logic Pro X includes the same exact content (but better) than older, pre-Appstore versions of Logic, which back then included all Apple Loops, Mainstage, Sountrack Pro etc.)
1) Just wondering how such a piece of software can look so extremely different than the new direction they're going with with their iOS7 (which I'm guessing will also transition onto OS X)?
Even if you disregard the ethereal, transparent "non-look" of iOS 7, how can a brand new product like this still include these 1990 clipart style icons?
2) Anyone a little upset that the price doesn't include any upgrades for previous users?
3) I also want to research and see if the new Logic Pro X includes the same exact content (but better) than older, pre-Appstore versions of Logic, which back then included all Apple Loops, Mainstage, Sountrack Pro etc.)
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2) Anyone a little upset that the price doesn't include any upgrades for previous users?
The full price dropped to the old upgrade price (or less?) when it moved to the MAS. It's still great value for money when compared to rival DAWs.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE how the Logic Remote app integrates with X. I have coveted The Mackie control surface for so long, if not JUST for the fader, pan and transport features....now I've got this all for FREE and as an added bonus....a virtual keyboard and drum pads and the ability to adjust plugin parameters...all for FREE!!!
I also really like the interface, including the more realistic faders.
I will miss some of my 32 bit plugins...but, oh well.
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I don't want Logic getting that "flat" look, then it will look like that cheap music production software out there.
Who cares about icons? i never use them anyway, I prefer labeling my tracks
I also really like the interface, including the more realistic faders.
I will miss some of my 32 bit plugins...but, oh well.
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I don't want Logic getting that "flat" look, then it will look like that cheap music production software out there.
Who cares about icons? i never use them anyway, I prefer labeling my tracks
Microsoft has proven that what works on a phone and tablet does not necessarily translate to the desktop. Apple will not make the same mistake.
The icons are easily recognizable as the instruments they represent and familiar to those that actually use and rely on them. They are just that: clip art. What should they look like? Just don't use them.
It is $200 freaking dollars. That practically is upgrade pricing in the world of pro apps.2) Anyone a little upset that the price doesn't include any upgrades for previous users?
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With all due respect - I didn't ask what icons are for.
A piano is a piano. Drums are drums.
Of course they are "easily recognizable as the instruments they represent". I am just pointing out that in an icon-centric age, you can easily have the same design with a more contemporary look instead of something that was ok for 1991.
2 issues I STILL have with Logic....as soon as you open Logic, if you need to close it without ANY changes, it asks you if you want to save it.
YET, let's say you do open Logic and immediately do a save, then you unlock the screenset, making a few changes (or even 1 change) and relock and then close...it does not ask you if you want to save and when you reopen, the screenset changes are gone...drives me crazy. maybe this is a new bug, but my first point is not.
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YET, let's say you do open Logic and immediately do a save, then you unlock the screenset, making a few changes (or even 1 change) and relock and then close...it does not ask you if you want to save and when you reopen, the screenset changes are gone...drives me crazy. maybe this is a new bug, but my first point is not.
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They're decent enough for me, def not 1991 clip art style. What do you want? 3D?
Have they fixed the issues with Undo? Specifically, if you open an instrument or plugin, then change a parameter/setting, then do Undo, will it undo the parameter/setting?
This is something that drove me crazy in Logic, because I was constantly undoing the wrong thing. Reverting my changes to instrument settings/parameters was a real chore - I had to save before I made those changes, and then reload the saved project to revert. This wasn't just 3rd party plugins, but also Logic's own instruments. It blows my mind that such a popular DAW has such an annoying issue, and that people rarely complain about it.
I quit using Logic 9 and since moved on to Ableton Live, which I'm very happy with (and Undo works properly in it, including with 3rd party plugins), but would consider giving Logic X a chance if they fixed this crippling issue. For the price ($160 after 20% off discounts on gift cards that I've stocked up on), Logic would be nice to have around even if it wasn't my main DAW.
This is something that drove me crazy in Logic, because I was constantly undoing the wrong thing. Reverting my changes to instrument settings/parameters was a real chore - I had to save before I made those changes, and then reload the saved project to revert. This wasn't just 3rd party plugins, but also Logic's own instruments. It blows my mind that such a popular DAW has such an annoying issue, and that people rarely complain about it.
I quit using Logic 9 and since moved on to Ableton Live, which I'm very happy with (and Undo works properly in it, including with 3rd party plugins), but would consider giving Logic X a chance if they fixed this crippling issue. For the price ($160 after 20% off discounts on gift cards that I've stocked up on), Logic would be nice to have around even if it wasn't my main DAW.
I am one of those guys and I think there's nothing wrong with that. Plus if I keep on creating I might as well be the new.... me. LOL
my perspective
cool new look. ( if you don't like the dark look, i'm betting there's a way to change the theme of your layout).
the price is insanely cheap compared to any other full version DAW. ( i run pro tools, digital performer and ableton 9 suite and my wallet reflects it, sadly...)
some of the new features are pretty standard these days so it's good they've caught up a bit...but LPX does not seem to be leading the pack feature wise.
the mandatory 10.8.4/64 bit without a bridge will be a deal-killer for many who don't wish to upgrade every VI and plug to 64bit at this time. ( and beta test for free...been there, done that)
my first thought is, though it's a full featured app, apple is going after the prosumer and people who are just entering the music market that don't have a lot of legacy ware to deal with. it looks similar to DP and PT with a LOT of bang for the buck at $199. ( DP is $495 ).
still, except in the world of scoring to picture or post production, i think ableton 9 is the leader in the creative feature set.
cool new look. ( if you don't like the dark look, i'm betting there's a way to change the theme of your layout).
the price is insanely cheap compared to any other full version DAW. ( i run pro tools, digital performer and ableton 9 suite and my wallet reflects it, sadly...)
some of the new features are pretty standard these days so it's good they've caught up a bit...but LPX does not seem to be leading the pack feature wise.
the mandatory 10.8.4/64 bit without a bridge will be a deal-killer for many who don't wish to upgrade every VI and plug to 64bit at this time. ( and beta test for free...been there, done that)
my first thought is, though it's a full featured app, apple is going after the prosumer and people who are just entering the music market that don't have a lot of legacy ware to deal with. it looks similar to DP and PT with a LOT of bang for the buck at $199. ( DP is $495 ).
still, except in the world of scoring to picture or post production, i think ableton 9 is the leader in the creative feature set.
I am also one. I have an album on iTunes , but I don't perform live...just chasing my dream of making music.
uhh?
Apple may have taken the appropriate preventative measures in making sure this release doesn't turn in to the ugly headache that FCP X was (by supposedly retaining the power and functionality of the older Logic Pro), BUT let's not forget that the world of audio is wayyyy more mature than that of video.
I have been using Logic for several years now, since Apple acquired it from Emagic, and it has been my DAW of choice because it really does combine real-audio editing with midi sequencing quite intelligently. I'll be honest, I don't think this new UI overhaul was needed at all.
Drum Kit Designer? Here's my two cents on that: lol. I suspect that a lot of emerging 'artists' during the next few years will all have the reminiscent sound of those exact sounds and patterns. ...because that's entertaining...(not. in case you didn't pick up on my text sarcasm)
Direct Export to SoundCloud? Sure, let's just forget about referencing your mixes on other systems (ex. YOUR CAR...) to ensure they sound the best they can everywhere. Yeah, let's go ahead and trust Apple's crappy, standard, and mass-produced 2.1 system built into every iMac, or worse, MacBook speakers that can't even reproduce the entire audible spectrum of sound.
Sure, this may be a great release that Pro users can deal with, but I really think it's a step in the wrong direction. Logic Pro X is geared towards musicians and in case you don't know, most musicians don't know the first thing about properly recording audio for a distributed end result.
64 Bit is nothing new for Logic users. I've been using 64 Bit Logic Pro 9.1.8 on my Mac Pro with Snow Leopard and it SCREAMS. Sure there are a few bugs here and there (minor bugs that I wish Apple would've fixed instead overhauling 'X'), but I've learned to work around them because the net power/performance of Logic Pro 9 outweighs them 10:1. (BTW, I run excessive track counts and high sample rates) I know for a fact that I will be using 9.1.8 for many many years to come.
The time/pitch correction features look attractive at first glance, but I'd rather stick with the 64 Bit Audio Unit Plugins that seriously 'wow' me every time they are in use. Besides, Logic has had those features for along time anyway, they were just a bit hidden.
At the end of the day, you're only as good as your ears and any real audio engineer will agree with me on that. If you're gonna spend $200, put it towards a real pair of speakers/monitors and use GarageBand.
Now everyone's a musician/producer, thanks Apple
Apple may have taken the appropriate preventative measures in making sure this release doesn't turn in to the ugly headache that FCP X was (by supposedly retaining the power and functionality of the older Logic Pro), BUT let's not forget that the world of audio is wayyyy more mature than that of video.
I have been using Logic for several years now, since Apple acquired it from Emagic, and it has been my DAW of choice because it really does combine real-audio editing with midi sequencing quite intelligently. I'll be honest, I don't think this new UI overhaul was needed at all.
Drum Kit Designer? Here's my two cents on that: lol. I suspect that a lot of emerging 'artists' during the next few years will all have the reminiscent sound of those exact sounds and patterns. ...because that's entertaining...(not. in case you didn't pick up on my text sarcasm)
Direct Export to SoundCloud? Sure, let's just forget about referencing your mixes on other systems (ex. YOUR CAR...) to ensure they sound the best they can everywhere. Yeah, let's go ahead and trust Apple's crappy, standard, and mass-produced 2.1 system built into every iMac, or worse, MacBook speakers that can't even reproduce the entire audible spectrum of sound.
Sure, this may be a great release that Pro users can deal with, but I really think it's a step in the wrong direction. Logic Pro X is geared towards musicians and in case you don't know, most musicians don't know the first thing about properly recording audio for a distributed end result.
64 Bit is nothing new for Logic users. I've been using 64 Bit Logic Pro 9.1.8 on my Mac Pro with Snow Leopard and it SCREAMS. Sure there are a few bugs here and there (minor bugs that I wish Apple would've fixed instead overhauling 'X'), but I've learned to work around them because the net power/performance of Logic Pro 9 outweighs them 10:1. (BTW, I run excessive track counts and high sample rates) I know for a fact that I will be using 9.1.8 for many many years to come.
The time/pitch correction features look attractive at first glance, but I'd rather stick with the 64 Bit Audio Unit Plugins that seriously 'wow' me every time they are in use. Besides, Logic has had those features for along time anyway, they were just a bit hidden.
At the end of the day, you're only as good as your ears and any real audio engineer will agree with me on that. If you're gonna spend $200, put it towards a real pair of speakers/monitors and use GarageBand.
Now everyone's a musician/producer, thanks Apple
I think the Drum Kit Designer is more useful as a tool to lay down ideas for drums/beats while working on other parts of your project when a drummer is not available
What's this "Until Logic 9" bit? It sounds as if your beef is with Logic 7 or 8, not 9. So then, what is wrong with Logic 9's sound engine? You list no reason what-so-ever to update it.
I found nothing objectionable about the results with my last album using Logic9. In fact, the sound quality is amazing for a home studio, easily rivaling the better rock albums I own. I'm not sure what they would need to "upgrade" on it.
My biggest complaints are about the low quality default guitar stomp box mix presets and the quality of their stomp boxes in general (i.e. it took me a good long while to get a lead guitar sound that reminded me of Pink Floyd, namely the sound of the lead guitar in Comfortably Numb). Most of the defaults were out and out USELESS/WORTHLESS. On the other hand, I remember most of the presets on my first Digisound outboard box being total crap as well (about 5 usable out of 200). Even so, I was able to get guitar sounds I liked for the album out of it without having to use external gear that would likely increase the noise, etc. on the album.
Similarly, many of the soft-synth presets in Logic 9 are pretty useless/crappy too without a lot of finessing or experimentation with additional effects. I ended up using a lot of external Roland synth sounds on the album (e.g. my Roland saxophone sounds were night and day better than the ones Apple included in Logic and that's on a Roland I bought back around 2001! The difference is that the Rolands sound nearly real when played within certain constraints while Apple's sound bland. I ended up buying a lot of 3rd party sounds (e.g. I got some Great Moog sounds for Genesis or Tron Soundtrack type moods in the background). A lot of Logic's synth engines CAN make interesting sounds, but it requires a lot of fiddling with the virtual knobs and sliders to get there. I spent too many hours fiddling, IMO when I just wanted to work on a song, but none of the synths fit with the mood of the song.
In short, I'm pleased to hear Logic X has a lot of new guitar and synthesizer sounds included with it. The idea of an all-in-one processing center where I can plug a keyboard controller or electric guitar into a firewire box and let the computer handle all the processing effects or sound patches has a lot of appeal. Unfortunately, Logic 9 just didn't have ENOUGH sounds to please me for a single album and I'm just one person (and my album is more guitar orientated). I ended up using a lot more traditional piano than I imagined for this reason. Sometimes the real instruments are the best.
I wouldn't mind some easier features (or techniques) to cut up songs in the middle to add a bridge or other section. I did this a lot in the initial song shaping, etc., but it gets increasingly a PITA when you have 20 tracks to cut evenly and splice back together adding parts to a more finished product. I got more proficient at it as time went on, but I still felt like either there was a better way to do it I didn't know about or Logic could be a bit smarter about picking the ideal cut points and/or tying loose ends together. I mean ultimately, you want a new section to tie-in and out as if it was there all along and if that was considerably easier, I think I'd be writing a lot more songs just for fun. Editing can be a real pain when you just want to fiddle with the song and hear how something added or removed sounds (tying the loose threads together).
Otherwise, the new iPad controller sounds awesome as well. I spent a lot of time moving around to hear the final mixes on various audio systems in the house to make sure it sounded good on all of them and being able to tweak levels and other things from a WiFi iPad anywhere in the house would be simply awesome (I had to bounce mixes to test in the home theater, den, etc.) The only question is whether Logic could easily send the output to an AppleTV or the like in another location directly or whether I'd have to use something like AirFoil to do it. It's easy on my latest Mac Mini Server to send audio and video to AppleTV directly, but I don't think my 2008 Macbook Pro I use Logic9 on has that capability even with Mountain Lion installed on it.
Logic Pro X
I'll agree, maybe it could be useful for that purpose and I understand where you're coming from. I don't mean to completely bash Logic Pro X. Although, it's not like Apple completely redefined this part of musical inception.
Ever try any of the thousands of loops that Apple includes as part of every Logic Pro package, or GarageBand for that matter? You can change the tempo at which they play back quite easily and chop them up as you wish.
Ever try using ''Ultrabeat?'' or the ''EXS24 Sampler?'' Both of which Apple passed along from the prior two or three versions of Logic?
That cheesey skeuomorphic drum designer does not prompt a completely new UI and version update and it definitely does not justify spending $200. This should be a free feature in GarageBand. Who knows, maybe it is/will be.
I'll agree, maybe it could be useful for that purpose and I understand where you're coming from. I don't mean to completely bash Logic Pro X. Although, it's not like Apple completely redefined this part of musical inception.
Ever try any of the thousands of loops that Apple includes as part of every Logic Pro package, or GarageBand for that matter? You can change the tempo at which they play back quite easily and chop them up as you wish.
Ever try using ''Ultrabeat?'' or the ''EXS24 Sampler?'' Both of which Apple passed along from the prior two or three versions of Logic?
That cheesey skeuomorphic drum designer does not prompt a completely new UI and version update and it definitely does not justify spending $200. This should be a free feature in GarageBand. Who knows, maybe it is/will be.
OK, I just pulled the trigger. Finished installing it on my rMBP (will install on my mac mini later).
Looks great so far but I haven't gotten a chance to really use it.
however, I already noticed my first bug-- on my 13" rMBP, the left and right parts of the app are cropped off when using full screen mode.
*update* - only happens in the native "best for retina" resolution, seems to work just fine in 1680x1050 scaled (which is what I'll use for Logic anyway).
Looks great so far but I haven't gotten a chance to really use it.
however, I already noticed my first bug-- on my 13" rMBP, the left and right parts of the app are cropped off when using full screen mode.
*update* - only happens in the native "best for retina" resolution, seems to work just fine in 1680x1050 scaled (which is what I'll use for Logic anyway).
There's a few things about that drummer feature you can't do with what you're talking about.
For example, you can set it to 'follow' a guitar (not a midi one, a real track laid in) and it'll quickly lay down estimation beats that you can tweak. For comping quick tracks, a feature like that could save you a lot of time. Why dismiss it so quickly?
Because I can 'out-drum' that feature with one pass on a midi keyboard and I find that most producers can do that too. Please do not misinterpret my thinking as ''the old way is the right way,'' or something of that nature, rather try to understand that a feature like this is something I wouldn't use because it would actually slow me down.
..Again my point is Apple could've concentrated on perfecting some of the older bugs on an already established and accepted build of Logic 9. I really don't think a design overhaul or this feature was necessary for Logic, as useful as people think it could be. It really seems 'GarageBand' to me.
I want Logic Pro 9.2. Instead there is $200 Logic Pro X touting a crapload of features I don't need and only works beyond what I consider the most stable OS X release to day (10.6.8).
Nothing wrong with that at all.. I did that with FL Studio and Ableton.. which is how I found out Ableton was a lousy company to deal with and to never touch another one of their products again.