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Sorry, but can someone tell is the intel HD graphic thing better than the nvidia 320 on the old one?
 
You were so close. You almost made it though the post without hyperbole. Show me that Dell XPS 15 with lightpeak/thunderbolt? Oh and the dual integrated and discreet GPUs? And I suspect it has a backlit keyboard too?

Granted the differences may / may not justify the price increase depending on the users preference, but to claim they are "identical" is hog wash.

They are simular XPS for example has optimus (thats the nvidia way of switching between igp and discrete gpu) So yes it lacks backlit keyboard, but for 800$?
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row/7

I think that one is also faster (850mhz). Up the resolution to the MBP's and move it off "fair" settings



An SSD just big enough for the operating system would be super cheap



I know someone who has an HP Envy 14 and is one of the pickiest people I know, and loves it.



My 6 year old HP is going strong. The HDD failed a few months ago but it was only 70gb so I got a new one. Apple uses the same parts as any PC maker (that failed drive's maker made your HDD too), they just have a superior frame. Is that worth a $1000 (Dell XPS 15 vs MBP 15 at same specs)???

I have a nearly 9 year old desktop HP that still runs as a media center PC (more as just a middle man between our networked computers and the TV). Both its CD/DVD drives failed and were removed and a new power supply was put in. Its slow as crap but allows us to access the networked computers and drives on the TV.

As for Mac vs Dell:

Superior frame and superior OS.

The Macbook Pro frame alone may be worth it because it houses the components. Sturdy, heat dispersing, durable...it protects the components inside. I know someone with an XPS that has cracks and some keys fell off. Yeah thats quality.

The OS is designed to work specifically with the components installed...the same can never be said for Windows machines. Plus I can run Windows and OS X on the same machine if needed.

IMO any price premium placed on Macs over Windows laptops is because of the quality build, and the symbiotic relationship between OS X and the hardware chosen. You get what you pay for and the XPS, while not a bad laptop, isn't built like a Macbook Pro.

And as I always point out the resale value of Macs tends to be very good. Even just a $500 resale value 3 years down the line is $500 off the price of a new Mac, combined with a student discount suddenly the price "gap" between Dell and Mac is a lot smaller.
 
My thoughts:

The Good:
- The CPU update across all MBP's was a pleasant surprise. I was expecting i3's in the MBP 13's and dual-cores i5's in the MBP 15's.

Indeed

The Neutral[/B]
- Thunderbolt - who really cares. This won't be useful anytime for at least 1-2 years. I think it will eventually be pretty nice when we are syncing 500gb ipods and DSLR's with huge memory cards, but not right now.
- Screen resolution: I have no idea why people are complaining. 1280x800 is PLENTY for a 13" screen. Any smaller than that and you'll be squinting. I run 1280x800 on my 15" now and it's just a little too low-res for me.

- Don't be down about Thunderbolt, its something for nothing at the moment.
- Screen resolution might be good for you, not for others. My laptop is 1280x800 and I want more.

The Bad[/B]
- Graphics cards across the board are a joke. Intel 3000? It's performance is on par with chips 3 years old+. The MBP 15's higher level chip is ok, but not so much the entry level.
- No IPS panels for the screen yet. This was really disappointing. I don't care about resolution all that much, but at least give me something with good color reproduction and viewing angles.
- No SSD standard? Come on.

- I don't know enough about Gcards, I just know its better than my GMA 950 at present.
- I agree on the lack of IPS, the cheapest iMac which is half the price of the 17" has IPS.
- Next year dude for SSD as standard.

I can wait another year, I've always said I wanted quad core & an IPS screen with my next purchase.
 
what I don't get is thunderbolt-port looks exactly the same as the mini-display port!!
So where is the minidisplayport gone to!
and what about external displays! like the acd! how would one connect to them?
 
I was just expecting a higher screen res, a better GPU or a SolidState.
And what did I get? A thunderbolt... :(

Funny how people come up with THEIR expectations and wishlists or must have features and latest technologies and then are disappointed when none of it happens:)
 
A note on the GPU's:

The Intel HD3000 is NOT the same one as you can now see benchmarks and tests of. According to Engadget, it is more powerful than ever:



Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/apple-refreshes-macbook-pro-family-with-sandy-bridge-processors/

My guess is that it will probably perform equal to or slightly better than the 320M.

Also, the HD 6490M has not yet been benchmarked; the notebookreview.com ranking is only approximate, based on raw number and it will probably outperform the GT330M.

In raw benchmarks the 3000 is slightly faster but unfortunately it has no onboard support for openCL and maintains compatibility by offloading OpenCL to the CPU which in turn slows things down conciderably, the next generation though is supposed to support it on chip.
 
Yes its the same battery... but that doesn't mean they just took other tests.
I still worry that the new HW may use up the battery more quickly. We'll
have to wait for 3rd-party analyses to tell us how the new and old MBPs
compare in terms of battery life. We can HOPE that its just a difference
in testing procedures... but we don't yet KNOW if that is true.

I think the new core i5 + intel graphics 3000 drains the same battery as the old c2d alone (without the 320m).which means a boost in battery performance.
 
Nice price drop for the top end 15" - now $2,249.00.

There's a good differentiation between the lowest 15" and the high end 15" to be worth considering.

Although I'm dissapointed by the lack of SSD to host the OS, this seems a good upgrade considering the price, regarding 15" MBP.

As for instant on - many people just put their Mac laptops to sleep and rarely turn them off.... so I don't think there would be much benefit - unless you do power off regularly.
 
Should've followed my instincts and purchased an Air. I waited for the updated 13" for no reason. Now I am stuck with no computer and no money for one.

The only one I could consider is the better 15", but for the Swedish prices that is just out of the question.
 
I don't think I would have ever say this about mbp update but this one is epic fail!

13 inch still w/ same old res???? Stupid Xoom has that res and it's 10 inch ... MY Freaking GOD..... WTF.. seriously

WHY? - "MY Freaking GOD..... WTF.. seriously" - WHY?

That statement adds nothing to your post - so why?
 
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Is the resolution on the 13" MBP really that bad? I understand that the air has a higher resolution screen, but it can't be so bad that many people won't buy it because they're disappointed.
 
My no 16 Gig option?

8 Gigs of memory seems lame, no? Why no 16 gig option? Dell and the like have much more powerful laptops, more memory, 2Gig graphics cards :(
 
what I don't get is thunderbolt-port looks exactly the same as the mini-display port!!
So where is the minidisplayport gone to!
and what about external displays! like the acd! how would one connect to them?

You connect it through the same port; it's just that now the MDP can handle other devices as well.
 
UK store not showing the new MBPs but the US store is.

Has the UK store been updated?

Kimbie
 
A note on the GPU's:

The Intel HD3000 is NOT the same one as you can now see benchmarks and tests of. According to Engadget, it is more powerful than ever:



Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/apple-refreshes-macbook-pro-family-with-sandy-bridge-processors/

My guess is that it will probably perform equal to or slightly better than the 320M.

Also, the HD 6490M has not yet been benchmarked; the notebookreview.com ranking is only approximate, based on raw number and it will probably outperform the GT330M.


It uses the HD 3000 which can be seen here in the i5-2500K desktop version

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested/11

That one also has more memory, so it will be worse. It's also at super low res and settings to be playable.
 
I like the direction of these new macs but i was excited about the ssd :(
 
Is it just me, or is the option to add mobileme missing from the macbook pro configuration page?
 
They remove the "middle" 15'' option, which is the one i can usually afford. Doh. Anyways, not upgrading until the high-res is standard.

A little sad with the downgrade in battery life, 7 hours? It's on par with pc laptops now...

Anyway. A single question I do have:
What would the theoretical top speed of the 2,2 i7 Quad be, when only running on 2 cores?

I know it says 3,2Ghz in the explanations, but I would assume thats when its single-core.

Rabble
 
In raw benchmarks the 3000 is slightly faster but unfortunately it has no onboard support for openCL and maintains compatibility by offloading OpenCL to the CPU which in turn slows things down conciderably, the next generation though is supposed to support it on chip.

Thanks for clearing this up. You wouldn't happen to have a link to these said SB benchmarks, would you?
 
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