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My son commented the other day on how non-diverse Apple appear to be.

I asked what he meant. He said, they're almost all American. He didn't even notice the colour or sex, and I concede he does have a point.
 
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I’m not against these efforts by any means but isn’t supporting what are essentially black only schools and facilities the opposite of equality? Sometimes it feels like we are going backwards.

It's such a difficult problem isn't it? As Kylo83's posts are showing, sometimes even persons of color don't understand the level of racism that exists in the United States ( IIRC this is a common aspect of Internalized Racism ). It's been historically shown that forcing integration of schools was, at least in the short-term often quite detrimental to persons of color; they were sent from schools where they often (not always) had teachers of color who understood and valued them to schools with (often, not always) white teachers who did not. IIRC the Podcast Revisionist History has a great episode on this issue. On the other hand, the more persons are exposed to different peoples and cultures, the more accepting they generally become, so in the long term people who were brought up in more racially integrated environments should prove to have a less racist (or at least less bigoted, let's NOT get those confused), mindset. Khalessi's experience about her hair being seen as more attractive when she wears it in a style that makes her look more like a white woman is the common experience women of color in the US. As more women of color wear their hair more naturally in film, theater, and TV, we become more accepting of these as equally attractive.

But fundamentally it comes down to this: If you don't believe racism exists in the USA; if you don't believe that white privilege exists; then you are catastrophically ignorant.
 
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I don't believe 100% in Apple intentions behind all this, they're always self-serving goals first, if it's not about them showing off or prestige maintenance, I doubt they care that much about people but what they present in the public. For that matter it applies to all big tech companies. Apple is just on the top of it. I'll start believing in such causes pushed from big companies when they really think about the end user, not just their profit and marketing strategies and how to squeeze more of us. Until then for me those types of moves are just anything but about the people... at least not at 100%. Don't hate my post because of different opinion from yours. Thank you. I speak as non American citizen, which really doesn't matter.

PS. Using child labor in Asia and coming up with those types of hypocritical causes in USA, Apple is just becoming more and more self-convinced of their righteousness, which is beyond annoying. We aren't that stupid. What are 25 million to 3 billion company, nothing.. With all profit they make instead of focusing on the next level chip, they can really focus on creating tech that really can improve people lives and well being, not just selling for the sake of their profit.

You claim to not be stupid and troll this by ranting about your child labour theories. Wonderful way to excuse yourself from the conversation.

They are successful because their tech enhances people’s lives already.
 
You know what : just bring real universal healthcare to your country similar to France, Japan, Italy, etc.., and at least 30% of your social issues will be solved overnight without the constant need to begging for donations from rich corporations. It’s all related. When people are constantly at risk of becoming homeless because they ( or their children) have fallen sick, it creates all sorts of tensions within society.
Also, free education.

peace.

Apple is not the government hence I’m not sure how that applies to the article.
 
The fact of the matter is that the solution to this problem is simple--but before I get to that, let's look at the reason why this problem exists to begin with.

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First of all, the political divide has deepened over the past 20 years, and most of the responsibility for it lies with the liberals, as you can see in the graph above. And this has had an effect within America's families--most notably African Americans. The welfare state, along with a "do-what-feels-good-to-you" mentality in regards to relationships and marriage means that many African Americans grow up in poor, single-family households, putting them at a severe disadvantage.

Additionally, this growing political divide also means tensions boiling over. Liberals now look at ANY Conservative and yell "RAY-CIST" while Conservatives are sick of the name calling and just want to correct the situation. As you can probably imagine, nothing good can come out of a situation like this.

Now to the solution. It's not "throwing money" at it, as Apple is doing here. It's going back to the basics. Making sure that African American families are stable and secure, that the importance of two-parent households is preached and established, and that children are put through the "ringer" so to speak, as they are today.

That's the only way we'll see real progress again.
 
I hope they bring it to more and parts of the US. As a POC I would be interested in participating to maybe build a career path in the industry. Just don’t even know where to start, to have a foundation with targeted programs looks like a very leveled playing field. Hope many take advantage of the opportunity.
 
Yes I do because there is no need people are equal no person of colour has any less chance in america
That isn’t really true, but the answer also isn’t to discriminate against a new generation of children to make it even.

That said, this diversity movement by Apple seems to focus on one group, and does it with all of $2 per black American. I guess every bit helps?
 
I’m not against these efforts by any means but isn’t supporting what are essentially black only schools and facilities the opposite of equality? Sometimes it feels like we are going backwards.
It makes me sad that in 2021, someone can say this apparently not realize how blinkered and wrong it is.
 
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Probably stated by a white person from Earth 2. Must be tasty sand they have there.

I don’t get people on here claiming that statistics don’t bear out that the USA is not entirely equal. No matter how you fudge statistics by group it’s obvious things here are not equal. Yes one can get tired of fake shows of justice from companies but it doesn’t change the facts.
African Americans as a group face issues that most other groups in the USA don’t face. Not all of them, my wife is a successful black woman and her parents were successful too and despite this success there are still struggles, but many do face challenges that other groups do not face. It is not as simple to point out the success of African immigrants to deny this either. One can look at Asian immigrants and see differences in the Chinese and Japanese compared to Hmong and Bangladeshi groups.
It’s not all based on color alone either. I’m Latin American by my dads side and have faced numerous hardships despite even passing for a white person and this had to do more with economics and educational attainment of my parents both of which didn’t complete high school.
 
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the same always happen we speak about we are getting tired of hearing about equality 24/7 since blm even tho before that no one spoke about it and everything was fine and we get called out saying this is why it’s needed lol I’m a black man and I don’t support the movement I’ve had every opportunity like anyone else and run a successful business I don’t think want people thinking I’m oppressed, speak love everyone is equal
I just wanted to confirm this post from back in September, is this you? If not, I'll gladly apologize but if so it's about as low as one can go.

 

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Just a reminder to EVERYONE:

1.) HBCUs accept white people.
2.) The white people who go to HBCUs are eligible for MINORITY scholarships and get in for FREE.
3.) HBCUs are subject to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION just the same as PWIs and therefore have to ensure they reach out to areas of the local population that don't match their demographics ... i.e. anyone who isn't black or a person of color.

I have to come in here and remind the forums every 3 months or so, or whenever there's news about HBCUs.
 
Hah! Toldja!
I knew it was going to be some BS feel good social justice initiative, not some substantive course correction on how they deal with privacy and oppression worldwide across all channels.
Tim has some huge swinging ones if he has no shame lecturing the US over something his company actively supports and funds in other countries.
 
The fact of the matter is that the solution to this problem is simple--but before I get to that, let's look at the reason why this problem exists to begin with.

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First of all, the political divide has deepened over the past 20 years, and most of the responsibility for it lies with the liberals, as you can see in the graph above. And this has had an effect within America's families--most notably African Americans. The welfare state, along with a "do-what-feels-good-to-you" mentality in regards to relationships and marriage means that many African Americans grow up in poor, single-family households, putting them at a severe disadvantage.

Additionally, this growing political divide also means tensions boiling over. Liberals now look at ANY Conservative and yell "RAY-CIST" while Conservatives are sick of the name calling and just want to correct the situation. As you can probably imagine, nothing good can come out of a situation like this.

Now to the solution. It's not "throwing money" at it, as Apple is doing here. It's going back to the basics. Making sure that African American families are stable and secure, that the importance of two-parent households is preached and established, and that children are put through the "ringer" so to speak, as they are today.

That's the only way we'll see real progress again.

Simply put blame the liberals and don’t take accountability as a Republican. Everything is liberals fault lol /s
 
Those same Barrista's you rely on to prep your beverage otherwise you'll fail to function throughout the day?

Time we had a bit more respect for other people. I have a good job but I will never ever look down upon those who are paid less than me.

Anyone who does honest work plays a role in society and is owed respect.
This is exactly what I meant in my post about respect. Respect people! Who cares if they're black, brown, green or yellow... They're human beings. Most people are like mirrors in the sense if you show them respect and love they will return the favor. I'm so sick of people trying to separate people by race or class and start conflict. We all joke about minimum wage jobs but in the end that person is being a productive member of society instead of being a criminal.
 
Just a reminder to EVERYONE:

1.) HBCUs accept white people.
2.) The white people who go to HBCUs are eligible for MINORITY scholarships and get in for FREE.
3.) HBCUs are subject to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION just the same as PWIs and therefore have to ensure they reach out to areas of the local population that don't match their demographics ... i.e. anyone who isn't black or a person of color.

I have to come in here and remind the forums every 3 months or so, or whenever there's news about HBCUs.
Shhh. You’re making sense
 
I’d recommend you watch this 4-minute video:

It demonstrates why Apple is donating to certain groups only, rather than all. They’re trying to get equality of opportunity, not equality of treatment.
I think this video was ver touching. But I would also like to note that it wasn’t just “black” people who didn’t get to take any steps forward.
There is a huge poor white population (sometimes called “white trash”) who are dealing with exactly the same problems. Nobody is doing anything for these people.
Absolutely nothing.
those are the people voting for Trump out of sheer fear of veiling left even further behind.

I am all for equality. I am all for doing something for the less fortune members of society. But I won’t stand for this biased view that only blacks are oppressed and it is all the white mens fault. There are enough poor white people to easily profs this simplistic view wrong.
 
They are causing segregation and it’s going backwards after all the hard work over the years, it’s like everyone called trump a racist even tho he done more for black America than anyone else and now joe Biden who is a racist who wouldn’t send his kids to a school with blacks people is going to cause the divide again

Ah now Biden is a racist. Getting funkier by the minute. Sad that you need to drag this into the topic.
 
the same always happen we speak about we are getting tired of hearing about equality 24/7 since blm even tho before that no one spoke about it and everything was fine and we get called out saying this is why it’s needed lol I’m a black man and I don’t support the movement I’ve had every opportunity like anyone else and run a successful business I don’t think want people thinking I’m oppressed, speak love everyone is equal
I’ll just leave this here: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
 
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