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I think this video was ver touching. But I would also like to note that it wasn’t just “black” people who didn’t get to take any steps forward.
There is a huge poor white population (sometimes called “white trash”) who are dealing with exactly the same problems. Nobody is doing anything for these people.
Absolutely nothing.
those are the people voting for Trump out of sheer fear of veiling left even further behind.

I am all for equality. I am all for doing something for the less fortune members of society. But I won’t stand for this biased view that only blacks are oppressed and it is all the white mens fault. There are enough poor white people to easily profs this simplistic view wrong.
HOW DARE YOU come here and claim that other races can be poor and underprivileged! CHARALTAN!!!!!
 
Someone else here said that more college education is better. I disagree. You can make bank doing vocational jobs like welder, plumber, electrician. And those won't get shuttled off to China.

My buddie's overweight Mexican trim carpenter has millions in the bank.

I'm amazed at how many of THE best occupations when I was a kid have been neutralized over the decades. It's sad, and tragic. Machinists are not largely employable any longer, which is sad. Programmers have suffered marked losses inn employability as well. Gutting manufacturing has had a profound negative effect on the country, and society.

I feel that a lot of that is based on creating the conditions needed to incite riots and anger in the underemployed. Making them victims makes it easier to redirect their anger and resentment at others. I found it hysterical that the GOP was able to get people to vote for them when THEY were the ones that stripped their dignity and destroyed their lives. As manufacturing left, the core of the middle class took a direct hit. In the city I was living at the time, I saw the effects. Houses rotting. Schools falling apart. Reliance on already strained social programs increased, striping them of the ability to help soften the effects of this radical social engineering. In the new city I moved to, the closing of all of the auto plants had an even more profound effect. The homelessness and utter poverty was extreme. many moved because there was no chance of getting employment in an already saturated job market. It sparked a lot of white supremacy as they found themselves caught between the anger of minorities and having to compete with them for those scarce social programs and jobs.

Having some people in power stoking that anger and resentment flamed smoldering fires.

And all I kept thinking was that those jobs did not have to go to China, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc... I was shocked to see something as simple as nails being made in China. If it's more profitable to pay someone pennies to stand and push a button and also pay to ship those nails back to America, something is very wrong. There is no reason the raw materials can't then be shipped here, and an American can be paid to push that button.

I have towels with the labels saying 'Proudly made by members of the textile workers union'. Apparently the corporation didn't share that pride. Sad.

Racial equality comes with economic equality. Help make people's futures safer, give them a safe future. Give them their pride back.
 
Here's a question... when should you help anyone? The only logical answer is to help when asked to help. Not to assume they need your help, as if they cannot take care of themselves.

I stand with any marginalized group in spirit, but I will only stand with them physically if they ask me to. Not assume that they need help from me, a white male. Assuming they need your help is as racist as typical aggressive racism.
 
I’m not against these efforts by any means but isn’t supporting what are essentially black only schools and facilities the opposite of equality? Sometimes it feels like we are going backwards.
Hmm, what makes you think those school are essentially ”black only”? HBCUs are predominantly Black, but people from all walks of life attend.

I think emphasizing helping historically-marginalized and oppressed peoples is, in fact, a way forward, to help everyone have the same ‘starting line’.
 
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I just wanted to confirm this post from back in September, is this you? If not, I'll gladly apologize but if so it's about as low as one can go.

His body his choice. If he identifies as Black who are you to call him out? Trans racism is real and the fact we have to bring this up proves there is more work to be done.
 
I think this video was ver touching. But I would also like to note that it wasn’t just “black” people who didn’t get to take any steps forward.
There is a huge poor white population (sometimes called “white trash”) who are dealing with exactly the same problems. Nobody is doing anything for these people.
Absolutely nothing.
those are the people voting for Trump out of sheer fear of veiling left even further behind.

I am all for equality. I am all for doing something for the less fortune members of society. But I won’t stand for this biased view that only blacks are oppressed and it is all the white mens fault. There are enough poor white people to easily profs this simplistic view wrong.

You touch on something here. My brother was convinced that minorities were exploiting government social programs, and they should be rationed. I then pointed out that it's actually 'white' people that use those social programs far more than minorities (blacks). He was incredulous... NO WAY! So I provided proof. He was flabbergasted. I said 'yes, all those politicians trying to gut social programs are throwing more white Americans into abject poverty than minorities'. The lies the drive to gut social program were built on are heinous...

There is a lot wrong with America. Most of it done according to a plan. We are perhaps nearing the end goal of that plan? Hopefully the realization of that plan, and where it's heading, will make people want to change it, and stop the rot.
 
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Might be time to go silent and observe other’s reactions. You’ve said a lot. Might be digging yourself into a bit of a hole.

So, you are telling him to "shut up and sit down"? it sounds the opposite open and inclusive.

Dividing people based on an immutable characteristic (skin color, gender) is the height of racism, sexism etc. Dividing people based on anything like that is a way to get people to see color, a way to obtain power by dividing and conquering.

MLK was right, judge people on the content of their character, drop the nonsense based on skin color. (My spouse, an Espinosa, agrees it is evil and immoral to do so and serves only the purpose of dividing people to obtain power over them).

Like Survivor saying they are going to have 50% "people of color". I wonder who will be taking Jeff Probst's place for half the seasons. Or maybe 75% if it has to be gender based too. Or 90% since one should be inclusive of the LGBTQ community.

Will Tim step aside and put his money where is mouth is?

Judge people for who they are, not eye color, hair color, skin color, gender or anything else irrelevant.
 
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I’m wonder how Apple plans to measure success.
Maybe Tim can start by resigning and naming a person of color as his replacement. They could measure total compensation by skin color. Transferring his total compensation alone would noticeably tip the balance, both at Apple and, even, nation wide. He would also be putting his money where his mouth is.
 
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Here's a question... when should you help anyone? The only logical answer is to help when asked to help. Not to assume they need your help, as if they cannot take care of themselves.

I stand with any marginalized group in spirit, but I will only stand with them physically if they ask me to. Not assume that they need help from me, a white male. Assuming they need your help is as racist as typical aggressive racism.
Sometimes folks don’t ask for help out of fear (e.g., victims of rape or DA), or are otherwise incapable of asking for help.

It’s good that you don’t presume someone needs help, especially being a WM, to reduce the notion of the White Savior, which is a backhanded compliment (aka benevolent racism). I think context matters a lot, here, though, and helps shine light on situations that may seem dichotomous. In this case, historically-marginalized and oppressed people have been asking for help for a looooooong time, and this move by Apple might be yet another way to help them.
 
People who keep saying there's equality in America are part of the reason why there's no equality in America.

Yup and just looking at their own feet and repeating “we don’t have a problem “ like a mantra is the best indicator for it.

Even those who are so focussed on explaining that all is fine would be well advised to make sure that the vast majority of the citizens feels that way which clearly isn’t the case so far.
 
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Why does everything have to become political or racial. It’s getting old fast. Rather than openly promoting you are doing this or that for this cause or that just do it privately and quietly. By doing the opposite it take away the meaning and heart of what you are doing.
 
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I’m wonder how Apple plans to measure success.
Presumes “racial justice” will result in corporate economic success. Maybe it will, though there is no economic evidence to assume that it will. I’m sure the shareholders won’t mind experimenting.
 
I’m not against these efforts by any means but isn’t supporting what are essentially black only schools and facilities the opposite of equality? Sometimes it feels like we are going backwards.
Because we are an people like Tim are leading us into the past.
 
I love how Americans are so conditioned to pick the low hanging fruit and call it intelligence. While there's still; some systemic racism, the real problem is poverty, not color. Poor people lack opportunities, not just poor people of color. Racism is low hanging fruit to give us the illusion that our politicians are helping us.

You can tell how much America loves low hanging fruit from the comments. White supremest stormed the capital because racism? lol. They stormed the capital because they falsely believe the election was stolen and they think their fighting for democracy. They continue to believe it because at every turn they're called Nazi's and racists and whatever liberal sound bite is shoved in to your over educated heads today. So the continued attacks and lack of civil discourse (on both sides. Can't blame the erosion of civility on just the left) give their false beliefs credibility and giving them agency to act, albeit for the wrong actions.

There are problems in this country. Red lining is chiefly responsible for the wealth gap black communities experience, and that wealth gap is the true reason there's a difference in opportunity and criminality. Yet, we continually highlighting the problems while glossing over or outright denying the leaps and bounds racial equality has mead since 1965 has created a generation of people that believe civil rights never happened. It's not that the country has gotten worse, quite the opposite, as anyone from my generation who's honest will tell you. It's that we've gotten worse, both sides.
 
IMO, the timing couldn't be much worse !

We're in the middle of a Democracy crisis, the virus is raging out of control, & the vaccine roll-out has sputtered BIG time !

I was really hoping today's announcement would have focused on one of those three !

IMO, Tim Cook needs to be replaced !
 
It’s like in the U.K. now they wanna hire people of colour over others to join the police force to look diverse, there is actually training days for anyone who isn’t white, this is wrong equality should mean the best person for the job gets it and not based on skin colour, but this just isn’t the case anymore they always go on about white privilege but at the moment it’s the other way round
That's because they're not fighting for equality of opportunity, they're fighting for equality of result, or equity. That means the best person is the person that ticks the most boxes, which causes racial resentment and perpetuates racism, and is most likely what our politicians want, but that for a different discussion.
 
America such a racist country even tho elected a black president for 8 years, oh and im sure all the rappers feel so opressed in their mansions and the sport people like nba players mostly black are under privileged lol give me a break the only people that have issues are the racists

Points to a few dozen rich people as a proof that racism doesn’t exist. Cute.
 
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