Apple Launches New Nationwide Racial Equity and Justice Initiative Projects

[JM]

They are teaching them to code for iOS. They are learning to make shoes.

Hopefully you recognize how silly that statement is. Haha 😄

They're different situations. But your analogy is funny.

 

[coldsweat]

So then why do conservatives dismiss Black Lives Matter and refuse to hear the reasons they are protesting? You say that liberals falsely label those storming the Capitol as Nazis, they're just misunderstood and fed up with the left-wing name-calling, we need to understand them and listen to them. So why do we not need to listen to BLM? Why is it okay to simply label them "Marxist" and ignore what they're protesting for? If calling every conservative "racist" and not listening to them is wrong (which I agree, it is) then so is calling every liberal "Marxist" and not listening to them.

Absolutely spot on (whether left or right) & in my mind you win the internet today!

 

[JohnnyQuest]

I just love that y'all are obsessed with and give thousands of dollars to a liberal, "BIG TECH" 🥴, progressive, diverse, LGBT-led company, yet are trashing this initiative. Joke's on you tbh.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

This may apprise some white guilt or foster someone's white savior complex but only black Americans can fix their cultural issues. Why do Asian and African immigrates kids succeed in greater numbers then kids with African American parents? If your aren't going to talk about their culture and disrespect for education and their belief that racism is worse than ever, you are not addressing anything that could help.

The argument is that the problem is not just cultural (and by cultural I'm not blaming disparity on "rap music"). African Americans and African immigrants are different demographics so it's not surprising that they would face different issues. Immigrants in general tend to be more driven; they've had to be come to this country and succeed in the first place. Yes, there are cultural issues that need to be addressed and white people telling black people what's best for them doesn't help. But we can address the systemic problems, which all of us (not just white people) have the power to change.

 

[Diamond Dog]

Not sure what you’re suggesting - to criticize the Chinese authorities so much about their camps that they shut their business down in their country? Have you seen the crazy backlash against Leica that was spun as anti-Chinese in their social media? I think that’s quite risky.

I applaud Apple’s efforts where they make sense and potentially have a positive impact, but honestly I’m not sure what they can achieve in that Orwellian super oppression state.

That's my point. When profits are on the line, as they would be if Apple did something like this for marginalized minorities in China, Apple is happy to keep their lips zipped and turn a blind eye.

When profits aren't on the line, and when in fact they will enjoy widespread support for such "woke" takes -- as in this situation -- Apple is happy to trumpet how brave they are for making moves like these.

Anybody with half a brain should see this for what it is: a cynical marketing campaign aimed at converting peoples' good will into profit.

 

[azpekt]

Number of clowns in this thread clearly shows that USA is at risk.

 

[Lemon Olive]

So then why do conservatives dismiss Black Lives Matter and refuse to hear the reasons they are protesting?

I don't know about "conservatives" (I despise these labels), but educated people know that the faux outrage the fuels the followers of BLM (followers, not the leaders...the leaders know full well what they're doing) is based on myth, misrepresented or ignored facts, and the fact that corporate media is happy to play along with it.

No honest, intellectual work that studies racism in America agrees with the sentiments posited by these entities. They are 90% emotion and 10% fact, while ignoring more important facts that negate the veracity of their concerns.

Also, normal people are rightfully offended by the very concept of BLM, because of course they matter, as do all lives. When people say all lives matter (the most normal, decent, obvious thing someone could say) that person is labeled as white supremecist (even if they're black) by entities like BLM and the media that plays along with them. This is the pure insanity that has normal people everywhere shaking their heads and saying "nope" to the whole thing.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

It's all censorship and oppression. Dissenting perspective is no longer allowed or tolerated, forget respected. When we shutdown dialog we don't like, we have already lost the argument. This is happening because we have lost the ability in polite society to reason with one another. Now, everything is about first person emotion and how it impacts ourselves - no thought or responsibility of our own behaviors or culpability on our own part. This is why we have a ugly actions being taken everywhere. Always a finger being pointed at someone else without a finger pointing back at ourselves in the mirror. Until there is a resurgence of self-respect, personal responsibility and genuine care/love for our fellow human beings, this ugly behavior on all sides will continue.

I agree that we shouldn't shut down dialog we don't like and I agree with the rest of your post, but what does this have to do with Apple's racial quality initiatives? Seems like this might apply more to the Parler shutdowns.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

I don't know about "conservatives" (I despise these labels), but educated people know that the faux outrage the fuels the followers of BLM (followers, not the leaders...the leaders know full well what they're doing) is based on myth, misrepresented or ignored facts, and the fact that corporate media is happy to play along with it.
No honest, intellectual work that studies racism in America agrees with the sentiments posited by these entities. They are 90% emotion and 10% fact, while ignoring more important facts that negate the veracity of their concerns.
Also, normal people are rightfully offended by the very concept of BLM, because of course they matter, as do all lives. When people say all lives matter (the more normal, decent, obvious thing someone could say) that person is labeled as white supremecist (even if they're black) by entities like BLM and the media that plays along with them.

Okay, but you realize that the exact same thing can be said about the "stop the steal" crowd, that it is based on lies, misinformation, manipulation, and proto-fascist thinking that Republican politicians are all too happy to play along with. Just as easily as you dismiss BLM, so can its ideological inverse be dismissed.

The reason "all lives matter" is not appreciated is that it is not said as a general principle, it is said in response to "black lives matter". The idea being that hearing "black lives matter" (which is a reminder that black lives matter as well) is somehow troubling, that the focus needs to be taken off black people because black people do not face any unique difficulties and that we need to talk about white people as well.

When talking about, say, the murder of Coptic Christians in Egypt, should I respond with "Muslims are persecuted too"? While factually true, that is not important, what's important would be why I am bringing up Muslims and unwilling to address the specific persecution faced by Coptic Christians. It's not that "all lives matter" isn't true--that isn't why people don't like it. They don't like it because of why and when it is said. It is said to shut down the issues that BLM brings up.

 

[kirbyrun]

Most black people do not have to worry about being gunned down in a traffic stop that is non sense and the statistics bear this out. They are more likely to be harmed physically by the cops but not gunned down.

I encourage you to speak to actual Black people. More than one.

 

[ericwn]

That's my point. When profits are on the line, as they would be if Apple did something like this for marginalized minorities in China, Apple is happy to keep their lips zipped and turn a blind eye.

When profits aren't on the line, and when in fact they will enjoy widespread support for such "woke" takes -- as in this situation -- Apple is happy to trumpet how brave they are for making moves like these.

Anybody with half a brain should see this for what it is: a cynical marketing campaign aimed at converting peoples' good will into profit.

Maybe lay out more detail what they could do to better that situation other than have their business shut down? Which then ultimately will stop most of their immediate production too.

They can still do good on their home turf that obviously has issues and good for them for trying. Not everyone shows that engagement.

 

[GizmoDVD]

Some of you are actual, literal trash. There's nothing negative to say about this good work on Apple's part unless you're racist. Period.

Wouldn't be surprised if a couple of the responders here were present at the Capitol insurrection. 😉

Or everyone is tired of this crap?

 

[Mcdevidr]

I encourage you to speak to actual Black people. More than one.

I’m married to one and many of my friends are black. I grew up with black people, hell I’ve been picked up by cops with my black friends when I was in high school for doing nothing. This doesn’t prove your point though.
What I’d suggest to you is to read some actual statistics. People might worry about it but the statistics do not show that black people are likely to be gunned down in a traffic stop. It’s highly unlikely to be gunned down in a traffic stop period, for anyone. It should be less likely I’ll give you that, especially in comparison to other countries but it still doesn’t make it likely.

 

[kirbyrun]

I’ve been picked up by cops with my black friends when I was in high school for doing nothing.

It should be less likely I’ll give you that, especially in comparison to other countries but it still doesn’t make it likely.

Thank you for proving my point. The police targeted your Black friends in high school even though they were doing nothing, and Black people are shot more frequently than they should be in the civilized world.

And since you are married to a Black woman and your friends are Black, why do you not want the world to be a better, more equitable place for them? How does Apple's initiative hurt you while helping them?

 

[Unsupported]

Or everyone is tired of this crap?

All this wokeness is making me sleepy 💤

Like somebody said in the YouTube comments, "His teeth are brighter than my future".

 

[GizmoDVD]

Thank you for proving my point. The police targeted your Black friends in high school even though they were doing nothing, and Black people are shot more frequently than they should be in the civilized world.

And since you are married to a Black woman and your friends are Black, why do you not want the world to be a better, more equitable place for them? How does Apple's initiative hurt you while helping them?

TIL anecdotal stories are gospel.

 

[Mcdevidr]

Thank you for proving my point. The police targeted your Black friends in high school even though they were doing nothing, and Black people are shot more frequently than they should be in the civilized world.

And since you are married to a Black woman and your friends are Black, why do you not want the world to be a better, more equitable place for them? How does Apple's initiative hurt you while helping them?

Are you dense or just an uncritical thinker? Me saying what I said doesn’t say anything to me wanting or not wanting a more equitable world. Of course I do. Apples initiative doesn’t hurt anything I’m just not certain it does a lot either when Apple could have done other things which would have a greater effect. Like distributing vaccines which would help the Black and Latino communities greatly.
You just lack critical thought. The police targeting my friends does not prove they will be shot down in a traffic stop a highly unlikely event for any race. You’re perpetuating nonsense here. In fact we were picked up for nothing but my friend had a record as did many. This was not undue to the fact they were black but being black was also not the sole reason. One had a mother addicted to crack and no father. Nobody does well in that circumstance and it’s hard to overcome.

 

[Ethosik]

What America does not understand is that so long as you classify people and categories them by culture, race, religion, and colour you are being racist and you will never crawl out of the racism hole.

I don't think any other country classify people by this except in America, I don't think if you go to UK you will see "Job opening for black people only" or "College scholarships. Only Asians can apply." Imagine being white with all the credentials when applying for a job then you get the response "You are the best candidate for the job but we have to refuse your application because we need to higher more latinos in our company to ensure equality in our society although the applicants are less qualified than you are. Thanks for understanding"

I agree. What will this eventually lead to as a white male? Get passed over for jobs even if I have more skills and experience?

The last few years have seen to REALLY make white males seem like a very very very bad then. And I fear it might eventually lead to a massive problem.

I mean I can’t even talk about sensitive topics that much anymore because the response I get is “You are just a white male”

 

[ThisBougieLife]

Or everyone is tired of this crap?

Tired of it or not, it's not going to go away as long as the problems continue to exist.

 

[The_Martini_Cat]

Great to see Apple showing some love for Detroit, a city hit hard, down but not out. Developer Academy in Detroit will change some lives for sure.🍸😼

 

[Lemon Olive]

Okay, but you realize that the exact same thing can be said about...

No, stop. It is not a valid technique to realize you've lost and and immediately run to flipping it around. This a natural defense mechanism that people do when they're angry that they're on the losing side of a point. "You're bad,"..."But you're bad" isn't an argument. You conceded that you can't refute the points, that's enough.

The reason "all lives matter" is not appreciated is that it is not said as a general principle, it is said in response to "black lives matter".

You don't get to decide that, neither does the media. You don't get to redefine the meaning of simple words. You don't get to decide what people mean by it, or why they say it.

Isn't it obvious to you yet that the whole reason people are being conditioned to think a simple phrase like "all lives matter" is somehow bad is because of how obviously contrary it is to the narrative of BLM and co? You need to sit up, shake your head, and realize how easy it is for the media to poison minds like this.

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

They’re publicly traded but I don’t think that prevents them from doing whatever they want with their money. I guess their shareholders could sue if they feel it’s not in the best interest of the company but other than that I don’t see a problem. I don’t agree with segregated programs but I feel Apple has the right to do what they want to do.

Wrong. If the shareholders do not approve then they won't do it.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

No, stop. It is not a valid technique to realize you've lost and and immediately run to flipping it around. This a natural defense mechanism that people do when they're angry that they're on the losing side of a point. "You're bad,"..."But you're bad" isn't an argument. You conceded that you can't refute the points, that's enough.



You don't get to decide that, neither does the media. You don't get to redefine the meaning of simple words. You don't get to decide what people mean by it, or why they say it.

Isn't it obvious to you yet that the whole reason people are being conditioned to think a simple phrase like "all lives matter" is somehow bad is because of how obviously contrary it is to the narrative of BLM and co? You need to sit up, shake your head, and realize how easy it is for the media to poison minds like this.

I've "lost"? Seriously? That is your response? I'm disappointed but I can't say that I'm surprised. You are not reading what I'm writing and not addressing anything I have written. I am not arguing over whether BLM is bad or not. I am arguing about the perception of BLM.

Let's go over why I wrote what I wrote in the first place and summarize the points I was making because clearly you haven't absorbed any of it: I was responding to the idea that it is wrong to label the Capitol protesters "Nazis", that they are mischaracterized and maligned and this only emboldens their sense of resentment toward the dismissive, name-calling left. So I pointed out that the same kind of thing is done with BLM in this very thread by the very people that call for less name-calling from the left and more understanding: they maligned and misunderstood and wrote off BLM as "Marxists". In the same way that "Nazi" is used to write people off and shut them down, so also is "Marxist" used. So I stressed the importance of listening to a group with a grievance rather than immediately writing them off (and this allows for the possibility of concluding that the group is entirely wrong in their aims and their methods--the point is that you at least understand where they are coming from). I'm asking why the double standard.

What points? What points do you want me to refute? That "no intellectual supports BLM"? That isn't a point, that's a logical fallacy, an argument from authority. You have no point. You have said nothing of substance. Your response to me pointing out that BLM was maligned in the same way as the Captiol protesters was to say "everyone hates BLM". So I pointed out that the exact same thing can be said about the Capitol protesters and justify the dismissal of it. You missed that point entirely. I will give you another chance to address it, but if you don't, I will not respond to you further. What's plain is that you're accusing me of "losing" because you can't refute what I've said and you can't make an actual argument. I do encourage you to try again. You view a discussion as a contest because if you've considered yourself to have "won" you can safely ignore what the other person has said, meanwhile you are still as wrong and confused as you were at the outset.

And yes, I absolutely do get to point out in what context those words are said. You have not disproven that they are said in those contexts. It is self-evident. "All lives matter" is said in reaction to "black lives matter". "Black lives matter" is said in reaction to the death of black people at the hands of police. That right there illustrates that they are not at all on equal footing. Not even close.

 

[SBlue1]

What America does not understand is that so long as you classify people and categories them by culture, race, religion, and colour you are being racist and you will never crawl out of the racism hole.

I don't think any other country classify people by this except in America, I don't think if you go to UK you will see "Job opening for black people only" or "College scholarships. Only Asians can apply." Imagine being white with all the credentials when applying for a job then you get the response "You are the best candidate for the job but we have to refuse your application because we need to higher more latinos in our company to ensure equality in our society although the applicants are less qualified than you are. Thanks for understanding"

Some categories of people need help to be on the same level. Like in Germany we have a "girls day" in where girls are trying out professions that were mostly made up of males in the past. Like police, firefighters, construction, coding, you name it. Because some business sectors have a great demand for people and can't fill up those vacant jobs just by the people who are applying now, mostly men, they need to encourage girls to try and learn to code or join the police. Nothing wrong with that. I don't see any men crying foul just because girls get this special treatment. It's not that those jobs are just open for women now, it just means women are encouraged to apply as well. In the past they didn't even think they would get a chance or were not offered those jobs when searching through job apps.

 

[theheadguy]

If your black or brown let me ask you would you rather get a job based on your skill set or based on your skin colour to prove the company is inclusive?

This is an example of why we need leadership from companies like Apple on this subject. Not trying to be rude, but it's just such a perfect example. :sad: