I simply disagree with separating schools and businesses based on race, none of my comments have had anything to do with not feeling that people of color have or do not have equality. I in fact said that I applaud Apple for the effort in my first post, in another I acknowledged the race problems in the US and I said it needs to change. You just assumed that I am wrong in my thinking and gave me a lecture on equality that I didn’t need. You don’t need to try and change my opinion, I won’t change my opinions based on your lecture. You are blind to whatever doesn’t fit your beliefs, so blind in fact that you assume things about me because I don’t agree with segregation.
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Apple Launches New Nationwide Racial Equity and Justice Initiative Projects
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I was really hoping today's announcement would be a new AppleCard+ that allows us to pay for products in woke points. After-all its the new currency.
Well apples initiative doesn’t only cover people of color hence their inclusion of Zip Code. There was a report that came out a while back that certain schools had to change admission policies because if they didn’t they would be admitting a hugely disproportionate amount of Asian students. Color isn’t the only factor that leads to inequality yet for some reason it’s painted that way. I would speculate that it’s not an Asian persons skin color that makes them score higher in some metrics than other groups. And mind you the metrics deal with groups not individuals in groups. So a group scoring high on something overall says nothing about what a single individuals score is in said metric.
Could it be not to look diverse, but to actually be diverse?
White privilege is the starting point many Western societies have.
To redress that imbalance – to get the non-white people up to a balance proportionate to their makeup of the population – you have to actively change what's created the current system.
The end goal should be equity for all, regardless of their race or other factors some use to discriminate. But we're not there yet, so more has to be done.
The same group will always see a problem - it’ll never go away.
What a world when we make a hero out of a criminal.
It could apply to shutdowns. The spirit in which I was attempting to highlight is more to how we behave when we are confronted with subject matter and dialog we do not agree with. After reading through the posts, it seems this is what is happening in this thread. Names being hurled at each other upon disagreement. Seems like the very thing that nobody wants, many are complicit in provoking.
I'm neither dense nor an uncritical thinker, but what I am is human and I made two mistakes in my haste to respond, which I will admit to and apologize for here and now.
Firstly, I misread your comment and thought you were defending the person to whom I was originally responding, hence my erroneous assumption that you were opposed to the initiative on the face of it. Mea culpa.
Secondly, I neglected to use the words "for example" when bringing up Black people killed during traffic stops. I was using it as a sort of synecdoche, meant to represent the various injustices and indignities visited upon Black people who are just trying to live their lives. (And the fact is that regardless of whatever statistics you may bring to bear, Black people DO fear being killed for something as mundane as a traffic stop, hence the websites out there that give advice to Black drivers on what to do when stopped and the existence of Siri Shortcuts developed specifically to start filming when you say something like, "I'm being pulled over.")
Anyway, there you have it. Again, sorry for my haste and the confusion that ensued. Entirely my fault.
& the response to @MacBH928
It sounds to me like their's some conflation of 'classification' and 'prejudice'. It's one thing to classify things into groups, and something else to take the next step to bias for/against said groups (AKA prejudice). These are evolutionary traits in all humans, but classification doesn't necessarily lead to prejudice. For example, children show an 'attractiveness' bias around 2mos (culturally-based), and an awareness of race around 3mos. However, gender & race-based biases and prejudices appear around ages 3-6, on average, which suggests socialization is a major driver of prejudice.
All countries/cultures classify and bias, but it depends on a lot of factors, and not always in the same way. In the US, statements like "Job opening for black people only" or "College scholarships. Only Asians can apply." are illegal, as they violate the Civil Rights Act. That said, you will find more subtle statements like 'women and people from minority ethnic groups encouraged to apply'. Essentially, these statements are saying 'We're kinda tired of the status quo, but we also know that historically-oppressed groups often don't apply, despite being qualified, because they think they may not be worthy."...
...Which leads into @xWhiplash's point about "What will this eventually lead to as a white male? Get passed over for jobs even if I have more skills and experience?" The short answer is: yes, it might. The long answer is: there is a high probability that you having 'more skills and experience' is due to a long history of preference for Whites that has led to systematic positive-prejudice to help Whites. Businesses may be more willing to invest in someone with a bit less experience, but has a different perspective than the White Heteropatriarchic status quo, because they want fresh ideas.
The fact that we might "...fear it might eventually lead to a massive problem" is privileged perspective because it's been a massive problem for a very long time, just not for you. We keep bringing up points like 'what will happen to us (the historically privileged group)? Or I can’t even talk about sensitive topics that much anymore because the response I get is “You are just a white male”. Have you considered that maybe people are reluctant to speak to you because of how you come across, like in your posts?
The long and short of it is that, YES, initiatives to help historically-oppressed peoples are not actually stomping on the historically-privileged, but rather equalizing the playing field. It just FEELS like us privileged folks are being stomped on and oppressed because we're not getting the same consideration as we're used to.
I'm an outsider from Poland. We never participated in slavery or colonialism. We had huge Jewish societies in the past and supposedly are anti-semitic. IRL you have like old uncle that blames everything on Jews when he drinks too much. So that's as far as racism goes.
In my opinion what American corporations and Hollywood do is ridiculous. In Poland we also have programs to help poor families/kids. Even my wife participated in her childhood. However why would it be based on race? Isn't everyone by laws treated the same? I'd be offended if I was black. It feels like rich whites just want to score Justice points or feel pity over entire race. That's just wrong and not what MLK was fighting for. The only people benefiting from it will be lazyasses, as I don't believe ambitious people were 'just waiting for Apple to spill spare change'.
Stuff like that only divides more as replies in this thread prove. Is nobody sane anymore? What corporations and government should rather work on is: school encouraging self learning, functional healthy families and less divorces. That's what ruins kids and our society.
In my opinion what American corporations and Hollywood do is ridiculous. In Poland we also have programs to help poor families/kids. Even my wife participated in her childhood. However why would it be based on race? Isn't everyone by laws treated the same? I'd be offended if I was black. It feels like rich whites just want to score Justice points or feel pity over entire race. That's just wrong and not what MLK was fighting for. The only people benefiting from it will be lazyasses, as I don't believe ambitious people were 'just waiting for Apple to spill spare change'.
Stuff like that only divides more as replies in this thread prove. Is nobody sane anymore? What corporations and government should rather work on is: school encouraging self learning, functional healthy families and less divorces. That's what ruins kids and our society.
There were white guys literally waving nazi and confederate flags inside the Capitol they just broke into. Do you really want to align yourself with them?
The argument in this thread. Jeez.
Some people are actually arguing “equality” exists. It doesn’t exist in America and many other countries.
Equality means everyone gets to start the race on the same starting line. But many young adults and children aren’t even given the chance to reach the arena, let alone a place on the starting line.
Every child should be allowed the same opportunity. The same starting line.
That doesn’t mean everyone will finish the race equally. Some will be better than others. Some will work harder than others. Some will have more support than others.
But if you don’t have the same starting line, then there is no equality. Right now, some children don’t get offered the chance. Some are given a place on the starting line. And some are given an unfair head start half way down the race track.
So it’s great to see corporations helping the next generation with the opportunity to stand at the starting line with others.
Some people are actually arguing “equality” exists. It doesn’t exist in America and many other countries.
Equality means everyone gets to start the race on the same starting line. But many young adults and children aren’t even given the chance to reach the arena, let alone a place on the starting line.
Every child should be allowed the same opportunity. The same starting line.
That doesn’t mean everyone will finish the race equally. Some will be better than others. Some will work harder than others. Some will have more support than others.
But if you don’t have the same starting line, then there is no equality. Right now, some children don’t get offered the chance. Some are given a place on the starting line. And some are given an unfair head start half way down the race track.
So it’s great to see corporations helping the next generation with the opportunity to stand at the starting line with others.
Thank you. I’m sorry as well my reactions were probably in haste. It seems we would be able have a good discussion about this. As for the program it’s fine, I just think there are other things that could be done that would effect the black and my community better and more immediate. In other words I think it is somewhat shallow.
As for the traffic stops yes. I think people do think this is real and have this fear. I’ve talked at depth with my wife about it and other issues. Sometimes it gets serious. I mean the reality is we all need to do certain things when stopped by cops though. There are plenty of instances of white drivers doing stupid crap and getting shot and there are instances of cops being too lenient with white idiots and dying because they got shot by the white person. But yea in any case there is a lot room to improve here.
As for the traffic stops yes. I think people do think this is real and have this fear. I’ve talked at depth with my wife about it and other issues. Sometimes it gets serious. I mean the reality is we all need to do certain things when stopped by cops though. There are plenty of instances of white drivers doing stupid crap and getting shot and there are instances of cops being too lenient with white idiots and dying because they got shot by the white person. But yea in any case there is a lot room to improve here.
I think it's very clear from this thread that some people most definitely do.
Not trying to provoke, and merely for my own curiosity, do you have a link to pictures of Nazi flags inside the capitol? I can find the confederate flags and some 4chan stuff, but no Nazi flags.
Good riddance to you and any other fool who thinks this isn't necessary in the US.
No one wants to feel like a burden or oppressed or a charity case but that doesn't mean it's not happening disproportionally to some people more than other people based on skin color and cultural biases and opportunities. Just looking at numbers alone, typical white family net worth is $171,000 and typical black family net worth is $17,150. You and many other black people might be an exception to this statistic but even with your successful business lumped into the average, blacks are still 10x lower than whites. How else do you explain such a discrepancy except that it's about skin color and available opportunities?
Perhaps you missed the Camp Auschwitz t-shirt. Make no mistake, the *******s who attempted that coup were Nazis.
The color of your skin should not be a criteria for entry. It should be on merit. Make applications double-blind if you have to but to judge on race is in and of itself...racist.
Some of the messages on this thread are absolutely appalling. But thank you for this. At least it gives me some hope.
There were no swastika flags to my knowledge but there were Neo-nazi ones. This website identifies all of the symbols that were spotted.
Decoding the flags and banners seen at the Capitol Hill insurrection
Many in the rabid mob who stormed the US Capitol yesterday came armed with a portable and potent weapon: a flag. There were large election banners, battle colors from the American Civil War, neo-Nazi flare, Christian symbols, and a smattering of national and state flags. Seen as a whole, they...
If you're talking about George Floyd, I don't think he is a hero. But I also don't think that because someone is a criminal that means they deserve to die or that we can do anything to them, no matter how cruel. Being a criminal does not mean you've given up your humanity.
And that's for time to tell. Some things have ceased to be problems. History bears it out. Problems can and do go away, even if new problems may replace them. For example, we eliminated smallpox, but then AIDS and COVID happened. That doesn't mean fighting disease is pointless.
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