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I'm happy with this. I needed a MBP for uni this September and a minor speed bump + £100 off every model I would consider purchasing is excellent.

Now all I need to do is decide between 13" high-end or 15" low-end.

Losing the portability and sacrificing half the SSD space against more real estate + Iris Pro + extra 8GB of RAM is a tricky balance!

I'd go with the 13". The form factor and the weight on your shoulders when lugging it to classes/library might make you regret the 15". If in doubt, think of things you'd regularly be doing the go to the fruit stand and try those tasks out to see if you can get away with the smaller screen.
I think apple also offer a 14-day window (at least in the UK) to return your mac, so you could always order the 15" try it out for a few days and return it if you find it too big for a notebook. :)
 
If you are a pro you're going to have multiple external hard drives. 128 GB for a pro consumer is perfect.

My '10 MacBook Pro has a 320GB hardrive and it's my work Machine. With all the apps that I have and around 25GB of photos I currently have around 80GB free (I have no music at all). I have three external hard drives but I do have some files on the machine (the ones I'm working on at a given time). BUT it's safe to say that I have OVER 128GB in apps.

So...no 128GB is not reasonable on a "Pro" Machine...IMO...
 
Top-spec 13" is offered as a 2.8 i7 in USA (haven't checked elsewhere), but only offered as a 2.8 i5 in Australia...

The Tech Specs section of the Apple website in the US says the top end model is an i5. I can't get the retail store to load here to see what it says, but the education store also shows an i5.
 

The 8 GB 128 GB starts at 2200 and people say Apple charges too much. Nothing about battery life either, you can only imagine the drain of the gpu and quad core. Nice parts buts I don't see why someone would need to game anywhere instead of building a nice rig. I use my 13 rMBP for photo and video editing, can't imagine justifying it in terms of games alone.
 
here are some users quite familiar with those cpu specs thermal wise so my following question is directed to them:

is it reasonable to assume that apple is able to put discrete graphics into a 13" mbpr? has there ever been one in a 13" apple notebook computer?
 
I agree that 16 is bare minimum for running several VM's while still keeping the Mac apps available. You seem to do similar work for your clients as I do for mine and I really wanted to get a rMBP with at least 32GB of RAM.

I have been eyeing the W540 from Lenovo for a while and their spec's are good for this type of work but I really don't want to have to carry two laptops everywhere. Apple, give me 32GB for the Pro.

I have a gut feeling that this dependency upon Intel for CPU's will only hasten Apple's transition to their own chip foundry. I don't see Apple relying on a supplier who cannot meet their deadlines or timelines for much longer. I'd hate to see the first iteration, but maybe an A10 CPU in a rMBP may not be so difficult to imagine. I really don't care as long as I can run all of my apps. I cannot afford any downtime in supporting my clients.
We do similar stuff at my work, but we have ESX servers at our data centre that we can connect to when at clients so show them something we have been working on. This then means we can carry a small laptop or even a tablet to our clients meetings.
 
I'd go with the 13". The form factor and the weight on your shoulders when lugging it to classes/library might make you regret the 15". If in doubt, think of things you'd regularly be doing the go to the fruit stand and try those tasks out to see if you can get away with the smaller screen.
I think apple also offer a 14-day window (at least in the UK) to return your mac, so you could always order the 15" try it out for a few days and return it if you find it too big for a notebook. :)

Back in my college days I used to carry around a PowerBook 15' G5 and I thought it was great once you get over the fact that you needed a backpack because you knew you had a workhorse. Whip the thing open and you simply can do so much more. I have since transitioned to a MacBook Pro 15', then my current rMBP 15', and while I lust over the form factor of the 13', the advantage of a much more powerful computer with more real estate to work with outweighs the form factor IMO.

Until the 13' gets a quad core i7 dedicated graphics card, I will be sticking to this model but of course feel free to try before you buy ;)
 
I'd go with the 13". The form factor and the weight on your shoulders when lugging it to classes/library might make you regret the 15". If in doubt, think of things you'd regularly be doing the go to the fruit stand and try those tasks out to see if you can get away with the smaller screen.
I think apple also offer a 14-day window (at least in the UK) to return your mac, so you could always order the 15" try it out for a few days and return it if you find it too big for a notebook. :)

There are very few times I wish the graphics were a little more powerful and I am grateful for the greater battery life. I had a 2012 15 rMBP which I promptly sold when the Airs were released and the heat, battery life and weight were a significant detractor from the power of the machine. My wife picks up my laptop mistaking it for her Air until she opens it up to see no wedge.
 
There are very few times I wish the graphics were a little more powerful and I am grateful for the greater battery life. I had a 2012 15 rMBP which I promptly sold when the Airs were released and the heat, battery life and weight were a significant detractor from the power of the machine. My wife picks up my laptop mistaking it for her Air until she opens it up to see no wedge.

I admit, I've only seen a rMBP a few times and I was amazed how thin it is compared to the MBP. I've not seen the 15" apart from in the apple store, is it really so much lighter than the old MBP?
If the Air had 16GB RAM and a retina screen I'd be on it like car bonnet. :D
 
I'm not ready to buy a new one, yet. I want to wait for DDR4 and new Intel CPU's.

However, if Apple maintains the 16GB memory as standard, then this makes it easier to buy at other retailers that offer discounted pricing below the student discount pricing.

I always wanted to buy a notebook with 16GB of RAM, but before with only 8GB, I was forced to buy through Apple as a CTO.
 
Back in my college days I used to carry around a PowerBook 15' G5 and I thought it was great once you get over the fact that you needed a backpack because you knew you had a workhorse. Whip the thing open and you simply can do so much more. I have since transitioned to a MacBook Pro 15', then my current rMBP 15', and while I lust over the form factor of the 13', the advantage of a much more powerful computer with more real estate to work with outweighs the form factor IMO.

Until the 13' gets a quad core i7 dedicated graphics card, I will be sticking to this model but of course feel free to try before you buy ;)

By Skylake the dGPU won't matter anymore and the quad core argument will be moot. Battery life is much better which is a big reason one goes mobile in the first place .

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I'm not ready to buy a new one, yet. I want to wait for DDR4 and new Intel CPU's.

However, if Apple maintains the 16GB memory as standard, then this makes it easier to buy at other retailers that offer discounted pricing below the student discount pricing.

I always wanted to buy a notebook with 16GB of RAM, but before with only 8GB, I was forced to buy through Apple as a CTO.

I heartily concur! Hopefully the Air will go to 8 GB on the high end.
 
Its thinner lighter and more compact.
Maybe you need a different material than aluminium to make your statement ?
If were liquid metal instead aluminium than it would been different right?

I'd just like to see a radical new design (and yes new colour) in the same way the Mac Pro just got a radical redesign and colour. I held out for the new Mac Pro and I really like it. I've been holding out in the hope they'll do the same with the MBP so I can upgrade. Making it thinner, lighter, retina, whatever does not constitute a new design to me whatever Apple says. Yes maybe it would make more sense to do it when they move to Broadwell processors.
 
Perfect time to buy a refurbished one! Even if you consider the education prices and the gift card, you still get away cheaper.
 
Back in my college days I used to carry around a PowerBook 15' G5 and I thought it was great once you get over the fact that you needed a backpack because you knew you had a workhorse. Whip the thing open and you simply can do so much more. I have since transitioned to a MacBook Pro 15', then my current rMBP 15', and while I lust over the form factor of the 13', the advantage of a much more powerful computer with more real estate to work with outweighs the form factor IMO.

Until the 13' gets a quad core i7 dedicated graphics card, I will be sticking to this model but of course feel free to try before you buy ;)

A quad core and dGPU in the 13"?! Maybe Apple will use the fact that it would be able to fry an egg as a 'feature'? :p
I'm lucky in that most of my computing power is done an a number crunching server (Dual 32 core CPU, 0.5TB RAM) so can afford to go for form factor over raw power.
I'm a bit concerned about losing some real estate because of my transition from the MBA to rMBP though. I don't really want to chancre the res from 'best for retina'.
 
I still can't believe the same year-and-a-half-old GPU is in that thing. Oh, what I would give for the price to still be $2600 with a GTX-850M.

Apple has never been interesting in GPU's and it's what pretty much killed them years ago.
 
You can't blame Intel for everything. Apple could have updated the design like they did with the Mac Pro to make it a worthwhile update but they chose not to.

The current design is only 2 years old. There really is no reason for them to do so. Apple probably has grander designs for Broadwell or Skylake which will bring more substantive improvements and potentially make a more radical redesign more practical. If they made the current version thinner people would be complaining about the battery life.

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Why would they update the design now? Surely if that's going happen it will be at a media event when they announce new Broadwell machines.

At this point it may not be until Skylake when we see a major redesign. Broadwell is delayed but Skylake is supposedly still on time. So we may well see Broadwell Macs in February and Skylake Macs next October in time for the holidays.
 
Still $200 to upgrade from 128 to 256 GB SSD. Feels a bit over the top to charge 200 bucks for 128 GB extra - for the same amount of money you can today buy a 512 GB SSD!
 
Sadly this is all we are likely to see as far as MacBook Pro (and Air) updates in 2014. And we can thank Intel for that.

Why blame Intel? Are you blaming Apple for not yet having updated the Mac Mini, the TB Display, or last year Apple taking so long to update the Mac Pro? Even better where is the iWatch? Probably not because you would probably justify it as Apple taking the time to get it right. Why not give Intel the same benefit.
 
You can't blame Intel for everything. Apple could have updated the design like they did with the Mac Pro to make it a worthwhile update but they chose not to.

I don't think it is any need of a redesign, though.

Anyway, this is a "Plan B" update because Intel didn't get its new CPU out on schedule. Any new features were perhaps tied to a new motherboard design dependent on the new CPU so when the CPU failed to show, the whole thing had to wait.
 
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