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Don’t get me wrong, China is a great country and it is very successful. The problem is they’re just not focused on innovating but rather copying. This is not to say they couldn’t in the future but currently they’re not. It’s just easier to copy what someone has made rather than trying to reinvent something new

It’s not particularly an ethical or glamorous approach for sure, but almost country that we currently consider an “innovator” have historical periods where copying and stealing of ideas was rampant. Copying and digesting the state of the art is simply the fastest way to get yourself to a point where you can start innovating. There was a huge amount of industrial espionage in early Industrial Revolution among European powers, particularly between France and England. The U.S. was also a huge player in industrial espionage from Europe in the 18th and 19th century. A lot of Cold War progress in aerospace and rocketry from both sides was also “borrowed” from Nazi Germany. Post-war Japan also started off by producing cheaper copies of European and American automobiles/electronics before establishing themselves as innovators in their own right. So on and so forth. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do, but for most industrializing nations it seems to be a pragmatic and common phase that always comes to pass. Chinese industry is still doing a lot of reverse engineering and copying but they’ve also started to become more recognized as innovators in many sectors in recent years like drones or 5G network infrastructure. I’m sure in the coming years we’ll be looking at products from India or SEA in a similar light as copies or clones with global supply chains move spreading to those regions.
 
Again, mass transit? If everyone doesn’t have to have their own car…
Again?
Yes, mass transit is a great partial solution, especially if electric, as well as bikes, but obviously can’t cover all people and all situations. Plus I think it might be more difficult to get people to give up their cars than to come up with clean ways to power them.
 
Interestingly enough...BYD is not planning to come to the US. I guess it is related to tariffs.
Very much so, especially given how Europe is responding to Chinese EVs with anti-dumping investigations. One can only expect the American response to be more hostile with tariffs and sanctions etc. given the geopolitical climate. That said, BYD is already the largest electric bus maker in the U.S. and is reportedly looking at building a Mexican factory for the U.S. market, but that will likely be years away.
 
Again?
Yes, mass transit is a great partial solution, especially if electric, as well as bikes, but obviously can’t cover all people and all situations. Plus I think it might be more difficult to get people to give up their cars than to come up with clean ways to power them.

You mean “Americans,” not “people.”
 
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A very smart move by Apple.

Chinese EV makers will very soon dominate the market. Apple simply would not be able to compete at the margins they require.
 
Ah it must be the Chinese doing shady “unofficial” agreements.

Definitely not because their EV tech is better and cheaper so Tesla buys from them.
Definitely not because US bans Chinese companies after they gain market share in the US for “national security” reasons.

Which Chinese CEO in the right mind would even bother to spend the resources and money to try and enter the US market?
You can’t deny that China abounds in shadiness thanks to its totalitarian government. I think that’s one of the reasons Samsung pulled smartphone manufacturing out of the country.
 
You want to play semantics instead of engaging in a conversation. No need to back up that Tesla has the best selling car on the planet. I’ll post a citation if it helps. https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/

And again, that claim is disingenuous. They have a single very popular model. BYD has a bunch of moderately successful models. You’re trying to ignore the combined output of the other makers in order to make a total non point.
 
You can’t deny that China abounds in shadiness thanks to its totalitarian government. I think that’s one of the reasons Samsung pulled smartphone manufacturing out of the country.

Yes, the Communist Party of Vietnam is far more aligned with Samsung corporate values and vision. It couldn't possibly be because Samsung is unable to compete in China, literally holds a 1% market share, and is seeking to reduce input costs.
 
And again, that claim is disingenuous. They have a single very popular model. BYD has a bunch of moderately successful models. You’re trying to ignore the combined output of the other makers in order to make a total non point.
Correct. The metric I used is the best selling vehicle in the world. It’s not relevant if you don’t like the metric.
 
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Again?
Yes, mass transit is a great partial solution, especially if electric, as well as bikes, but obviously can’t cover all people and all situations. Plus I think it might be more difficult to get people to give up their cars than to come up with clean ways to power them.
I am not convinced that electric cars are all that cleaner. What's going to happen in the next 8-10 years when the first batch of EVs get retired and you have to deal with disposal of their internal batteries?
 
I’m not sure where you are, but the Chinese carmakers are DOA here in the States, because they will get zero tax credits due to them being Chinese. The Inflation Reduction Act requires cars and components to come from “friendly” countries in order to qualify.
I'm in the US. And most Chinese carmakers are only DOA in the US because they aren't allowed into the market (for reasons that range from safety standards to tariffs). And I'm aware of the Inflation Reduction Act (I've actually read quite a bit of it) and yes it would hurt Chinese carmakers ability to be price competitive. But my main point was that prior to EVs, a brand new car manufacturer was like a once a decade event. But in the EV space we've had more than five of them that manufactured and sold a car to the public for the first time in like the last five years (e.g., Rivian, Lucid, Fisker, Vinfast, Xiaomi, Canoo and then I'm sure there are bunch in China that I don't know the names of). And of course we have Tesla, which is admittedly started selling cars 15 years ago. So there seem to be much less barriers to entry in the EV space than there were in the ICE space.
 
I am not convinced that electric cars are all that cleaner. What's going to happen in the next 8-10 years when the first batch of EVs get retired and you have to deal with disposal of their internal batteries?
The batteries will be recycled, just like ICE cars get scrapped for metal. The battery material is valuable enough to set up recycling process once there are enough old BEVs. So like you say in 8 to 10 years.
 
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There is no link. Just watch a video of the car. Even the way you get in the car with a key card is a copy of Tesla.
Cars that use Keycards for entry:

  • *Audi
  • *Acura
  • *BMW
  • *Buick
  • *Cadillac
  • *Chevrolet
  • *Chrysler
  • *Dodge
  • Fiat
  • Ford
  • Genesis
  • *GMC
  • Honda
  • Hyundai
  • Infiniti
  • *Jeep
  • Kia
  • *Land Rover
  • *Lexus
  • *Lucid
  • *Mazda
  • *Mercedes-Benz
  • *Mini
  • Nissan
  • *Porsche
  • *Ram
  • *Rivian
  • Subaru
  • Toyota
  • Volkswagen
  • Volvo
Everywhere I see, the comments say that the SU7 boasts a sleek, futuristic design that bears a resemblance to the Porsche Taycan luxury electric car.
 
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Yeah... I guess one can go through life looking for and predicting gloom and doom being just around the corner, and expecting the worst.

I, instead, choose to rely on published facts.
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These are also facts.:)
 
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But there are cars that go faster. Lucid air and the plaid. So you were flat out incorrect when you said it beats the model S. Yeah maybe the base model s…which you didn’t explicitly mention.
As explained earlier, I am not saying it. It is the article that is saying it.
 
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