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I would hope so!

Frankly I'd like to see Tim using competitors devices out and about so that he knows what the landscape is really like and where the bar currently is for products and features.

I suspect he and other Apple executives/managers do. Apple manufacturing and selling 600,000+ iPhones every single day of the year (on the average) is another metric they consider.
 
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Any link to substantiate this? I have not seen a Tesla (Nor the Xiaomi car). Which of these features were copied from Tesla? Really asking out of curiosity.

The SU7 Max is powered by Xiaomi's own HyperEngine electric ..

The SU7 Max is powered by Xiaomi's own HyperEngine electric motors, which can rev up to 21,000rpm. This translates to a 0-100km/h acceleration time of just 2.78 seconds, beating even Tesla's Model S. The SU7 Max also boasts a long driving range ofutilizes00km (497 miles) on a single charge, according to Xiaomi. The car is built on Xiaomi's own Modena Architecture, which utilises a die-cast chassis with a clamping force of 9,100 tons, exceeding that of Tesla's vehicles.

The SU7 Max comes equipped with Xiaomi's HyperOS in-car entertainment system, powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon 8295 processor. The system boasts a fast boot time of just 1.49 seconds and allows you to control various aspects of the car, including media, seats, and even your Xiaomi smart home appliances, through the 16.1-inch 3K central touchscreen.

For rear-seat entertainment, the SU7 Max offers optional Xiaomi Pad tablets that can be mounted on magnetic ports behind the front headrests. These tablets can be charged wirelessly with up to 22.5W output. A 23-speaker Dolby Atmos sound system ensures an immersive audio experience for all passengers.

The SU7 Max is equipped with Xiaomi's Pilot autonomous driving platform, powered by up to two NVIDIA Drive Orin processors and an array of sensors, including a top-mounted Lidar with a visual range of up to 200 meters and pixel accuracy down to 0.1 meters.


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There is no link. Just watch a video of the car. Even the way you get in the car with a key card is a copy of Tesla.
 
Which aspect comes off as a cheap Tesla copy? I’m not going to say the exterior not the interior are anything ground breaking, but it’s also not particularly similar to Teslas. If anything, it looks more like a cross between the BYD Seal and the Porsche Taycan.


Xiaomi’s phones hasn’t looked like iPhones for years although their software continues to mimic iOS in many ways. Again, I’ve seen nothing ground breaking from them compared to other Android OEMs but they’ve long moved past their Apple clone era.


The Nissan Leaf which first came out in 2009 is the first mass market EV that saw commercial success. It hasn’t sold nearly as fast as Teslas, but it has sold more than 1 million units at this point.
The video I saw showed a car that looked very similar to Tesla and when they unlock the door, they use the key card just like the Tesla. They might as well put a Xiaomi sticker onto a Tesla key card.

All phones are pretty much a square pane of glass with cameras on the back. Other than the sides rounded or square and maybe camera positions there’s not much to copy when it comes to hardware. The copying is in the software.

I think the Nissan leaf might qualify as a successful electric vehicle. Even though it was funded through most of its life by the sale of ICE vehicles, it probably stands on its own now. I don’t think it’s in the category of Tesla in the sense a larger and more advanced vehicle, but maybe the Leaf is the future direction of electric vehicles.
 
The fact is, China is where the innovation is now. The US has lost it ... too many lawyers and bankers. China used to copy, now it leads in science and technology. Hard for Americans to take, but get used to it (like the rest of the World).
You can’t be serious. Without linking some sort of CCP propaganda page please let me know what exactly China has innovated on.

Don’t get me wrong, China is a great country and it is very successful. The problem is they’re just not focused on innovating but rather copying. This is not to say they couldn’t in the future but currently they’re not. It’s just easier to copy what someone has made rather than trying to reinvent something new
 
Doesn’t help that the entire right-wing media echo chamber rails on EVs and makes them political to protect the oil tycoons of the world.
Unfortunately, most people don’t know much about them other than what they see on Facebook. The crazy things I’ve heard from people are just silly. A coworker told me they would get one if it wasn’t for the high cost of maintenance. Another person told me they heard that electric vehicles were a bit dangerous because they’re so light and the wind blows them all over the road. Let’s not forget if you run out of juice someone has to come with a diesel generator to get you going and they take hours to charge.
 
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600 people is a lot. And a 2000 person team. All for it to be scrapped?

With a team that large you’d think they would have really been able to create something amazing.
No doubt that they did... but I bet no consumer would be able to afford it or want to pay for it.
 
IMO it was a misguided effort. Stick to what you do well, and expand into what you are capable of doing well.

A car project was too far fetched IMO, even though they wouldn't be making it (like everything else).
 
I find it completely unnacceptable that you are spouting off with such an uninformed and illogical take.

First: The team had over 2,000 members, 2/3 of them have already found other jobs in Apple and I imagine some of the remaining 600 still might.

Second: If you’re an automotive engineer and Apple cancels its automotive project where are they supposed to place you? You can’t just randomly add someone with a particular skill set to a project that’s completely outside their area of expertise. That’s like taking a musician and telling them to go paint a portrait. Different skill sets.

Three: Apple spent a decade on this. It didn’t work out. That happens. Throwing more money and people at it just to appease someone who doesn’t have a clue what they are talking about would be a terrible decision.

It’s clear why Tim Cook is in charge of Apple and you are not.
It is quite informed actually. Leaders find a way to make things work. The problem is Tim Cook doesn't give a crap about those people. You must be triggered by this. Sorry not sorry.

"...where are they supposed to place you?" You sound like one of them . You might be in fact.

How can you defend Apple for laying off those people?

That makes total sense! Right... because they could not find a place for them. Your analogy is deeply flawed. Learn some more about Venn Diagrams before trying to argue.

Yikes... because no one has skills that overlap or is smart enough to learn something else.

You actually make a worse case for how messed up it is in terms of how long they worked on it.

NEWS FLASH: Look Tim Cook just sold Apple shares. What a coincidence! Any guesses as to what happens with their earnings report?

Tim Cook won't be CEO much longer if keeps this crap up and I know I would do a much better job then him and definitely you.

He was warned about margins and that is all Tim Cook cares about.

Again I hope all those people were able to get jobs.
 
This topic has been side tracked but truth be told...

All of this non sense from people that say Tesla is crap have no idea what they are talking about. I have several of them and they are the safest and best cars I have ever owned. I can tell from the comments they have never driven a Tesla.

Anyone that has a Tesla realizes it is so far ahead of other automakers it is honestly astounding.

Apple in fact would not even meet with Tesla to discuss buying them and Tesla ramped up and made it happen. TESLA MADE IT HAPPEN.

What did Apple do? They gave up. APPLE GAVE UP. No one can argue anything beyond that. They can't. Apple took 10 years to do what... GIVE UP

And Vision Pro is an Epic Over Priced Failure.

But again it would be nice for a company to actually care about their employees. What a radical idea!
 
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I know many will disagree but I think EVs are doomed. They are expensive to buy, expensive to repair and can’t get you anywhere outside the city.

I rented a Tesla from Hertz once. It was a terrible experience. The car was absolutely dreadful to drive and operate. No coasting, every adjustment needs to be found in the large annoying screen, and the worst… no easily fill up. We barely made it back to the airport. Needless to say that the mile remaining somehow only gets you about 2/3 of what it claims.

Oh… and once you include all the battery technology and mining required, they aren’t even better for the environment.
You’re entitled to your opinion but you’re making quite a few incorrect and incomplete assertions and implications in your explanation.
EVs are expensive to buy but much much cheaper to maintain and operate, leading to similar or cheaper total cost of ownership compared to their ICE counterparts.
Because there are so few moving parts, the “EV”-related repairs are extremely rare compared to ICE vehicles, plus batteries are legally required to be under warranty for a minimum of 8 years 100k miles. Also helping to reduce cost of ownership is the fact that EVs are proving to far outlast ICE cars, with some EVs racking up close to a million miles with minimal battery capacity degradation. This is also good for the environment.
The Tesla charging network is extremely robust and can take you to all but the most remote places, and it’s continually expanding. Other charging networks are struggling to compete but they do a passable job for most road trips. But this is being remedied as manufacturers are switching over to the Tesla charging connector.
Not being able to coast and all controls being on the touch screen is mostly a Tesla-specific trait, with some other manufacturers copying them. But this is only a correlation, not inherent to EVs. Many EVs do allow you to coast and more are starting to implement physical controls. For what it’s worth, I agree that touch in a car should be avoided if at all possible, but I find one pedal driving indispensable now, even though I found it off-putting at first.
The environment issue is a complicated one so I refrain from getting into it, but in short ICE cars are not better for the environment and EVs have potential to be much much better.

Of course these are generalizations, there are exceptions. And there are downsides to EVs vs ICE cars, such as higher barrier to entry and longer refuel/recharge times. EVs aren’t the best choice for everyone and for every situation right now. But for many, the good already far outweighs the bad, and the bad is only decreasing as battery and charging technology gets better, and as infrastructure expands.
 
It is quite informed actually. Leaders find a way to make things work. The problem is Tim Cook doesn't give a crap about those people. You must be triggered by this. Sorry not sorry.

"...where are they supposed to place you?" You sound like one of them . You might be in fact.

How can you defend Apple for laying off those people?

That makes total sense! Right... because they could not find a place for them. Your analogy is deeply flawed. Learn some more about Venn Diagrams before trying to argue.

Yikes... because no one has skills that overlap or is smart enough to learn something else.

You actually make a worse case for how messed up it is in terms of how long they worked on it.

NEWS FLASH: Look Tim Cook just sold Apple shares. What a coincidence! Any guesses as to what happens with their earnings report?

Tim Cook won't be CEO much longer if keeps this crap up and I know I would do a much better job then him and definitely you.

He was warned about margins and that is all Tim Cook cares about.

Again I hope all those people were able to get jobs.
The above is just word salad. No company would guarantee an employee a job for life, and they seem to have made reasonable accommodations in finding employees new jobs.
 
600 people is a lot. And a 2000 person team. All for it to be scrapped?

With a team that large you’d think they would have really been able to create something amazing.

For a car? Ford has 177,000 employees. GM has 163,000. Turdla has 140k. Rivian has 17k.

2000 is NOWHERE CLOSE to what Apple would need to actually build a car.

The Apple car was NEVER going to happen. For a company the size of Apple, those are 'pet project' numbers.
 
They HAVE to make reasonable accommodations by law-the same way they had to report to California about the layoffs.
"Heavy Sarcasm startttttting now. "Apple is a great company and they care about people." :rolleyes:
 
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Remember when some forum folks scoffed at the Apple Car rumors?

Gurman and Kuo rumors are bunk! There is no car project.

Now, there really isn't.

And there never really was. It would have taken a LOT more than Apple was playing with to ever actually ship a car. It wasn't going to happen.
 
And there never really was. It would have taken a LOT more than Apple was playing with to ever actually ship a car. It wasn't going to happen.

It really speaks to the poor leadership at Apple and indecision at the top.

For $10 billion over 10 years, Rivian was able to build and ship a real product. For the same $10 billion over the same period, Apple has nothing to show for it.
 
We are witnessing a repeat of Xerox and the like from the 1970s. Apple continues to develop and innovate, but is no longer able to go to market with new products. Even in the 90s Apple was trying many different things.

I want them to prove me wrong.
90s was the decade of the Apple Newton. Apple had to buy Steve Job´s NeXT to be able to build useful products once again.
 
You mean after the time a comparable ICE car would have already have needed to be replaced for any number of issues that crop up from 150k-250k miles?

What reckoning?
Everything wears out
Have you priced what the battery replacement would be? I have read as much as $20,000. I good ICE car I doubt you would spend that much on repairs. Maybe if you factor in the purchase of fuel, but that is probably disingenuous since I seriously doubt EV owners are putting money somewhere each month for when they do need to replace the batteries.

If you factor everything together, I doubt EVs really contribute to saving much when it comes to environmental issues. Maybe once we have free abundant fusion energy that will change.
 
We are witnessing a repeat of Xerox and the like from the 1970s. Apple continues to develop and innovate, but is no longer able to go to market with new products. Even in the 90s Apple was trying many different things.

I want them to prove me wrong.
Lol making an electric car is not innovation.
 
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You’re entitled to your opinion but you’re making quite a few incorrect and incomplete assertions and implications in your explanation.
EVs are expensive to buy but much much cheaper to maintain and operate, leading to similar or cheaper total cost of ownership compared to their ICE counterparts.
Because there are so few moving parts, the “EV”-related repairs are extremely rare compared to ICE vehicles, plus batteries are legally required to be under warranty for a minimum of 8 years 100k miles. Also helping to reduce cost of ownership is the fact that EVs are proving to far outlast ICE cars, with some EVs racking up close to a million miles with minimal battery capacity degradation. This is also good for the environment.
The Tesla charging network is extremely robust and can take you to all but the most remote places, and it’s continually expanding. Other charging networks are struggling to compete but they do a passable job for most road trips. But this is being remedied as manufacturers are switching over to the Tesla charging connector.
Not being able to coast and all controls being on the touch screen is mostly a Tesla-specific trait, with some other manufacturers copying them. But this is only a correlation, not inherent to EVs. Many EVs do allow you to coast and more are starting to implement physical controls. For what it’s worth, I agree that touch in a car should be avoided if at all possible, but I find one pedal driving indispensable now, even though I found it off-putting at first.
The environment issue is a complicated one so I refrain from getting into it, but in short ICE cars are not better for the environment and EVs have potential to be much much better.

Of course these are generalizations, there are exceptions. And there are downsides to EVs vs ICE cars, such as higher barrier to entry and longer refuel/recharge times. EVs aren’t the best choice for everyone and for every situation right now. But for many, the good already far outweighs the bad, and the bad is only decreasing as battery and charging technology gets better, and as infrastructure expands.
EVs will not be better for the environment until we stop burning coal and natural gas and whatever other heavy carbon emissive process is used. Also the electrical grid is no where ready for everyone and their brother to be charging cars.

It will probably end up like most everything else the government touches, the mandate will come to fruition or pass that bans ICE vehicles and then the power grid will go down shortly after. 🤣
 
Have you priced what the battery replacement would be? I have read as much as $20,000. I good ICE car I doubt you would spend that much on repairs. Maybe if you factor in the purchase of fuel, but that is probably disingenuous since I seriously doubt EV owners are putting money somewhere each month for when they do need to replace the batteries.

Whether an EV owner is actually putting money away or not is totally irrelevant to the fuel and repair savings occurring no matter what.
 
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