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I don’t use Dashboard myself, but I know there are some widgets which folks cling to that have never been updated to work with Notification Center on macOS.

I remember a few games that were good, and the internet clipping feature was pretty cool too, but it also tended to look disorganised, messy and chaotic with no way to keep the widgets neatly arranged (bad for neat freaks like myself); a result of their wildly differing sizes, styles and designs. With Spaces, this further reduced the need and point of the Dashboard.

Windows got rid of their “Gadgets” (a Dashboard clone) with version 8 I believe, and I think it’s time for Apple to do the same.
 
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Same. Maybe it's an age thing, but dark themes and sites feel so claustrophobic to me. Also, might just be me, but I feel more frustrated using services or software that has a dark colored theme.
Dark websites definitely suck and feel claustrophobic, but it's different when it's one thing I use for 5-10 hours every day. By then, I get used to it and want to reduce eye strain. Idk if your usage is like that.

Also, some websites are too white, and as someone else said earlier, flat designs can end up being too white. MacRumors has a nice design, just the right amount of depth and non-distracting color.
 
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True. There wasn't any discussion at all about something like a dark mode until they came up with iOS 7 and OS X Yosemite. You know you didn't do a great job when you offer an extra feature to compensate for your visionless approach. Since I've never loved their flatland design I'll be grateful at least for a proper dark mode.

I was excited where they were going with Lion. I personally loved the textures and real life UI design they had going on, even going all the way back to the Aqua days and the lickable interface they had then. It was a natural progression which I never once questioned. Forstall and Jobs both knew what they were doing. Since both are sadly no longer there bad decisions have started to become common place in terms of their software UI. Now we’re forced to ask for a dark mode to compensate. I mean, I’ll take it but it’s still a compromise.

Ive, Fedirighi and whoever else is currently behind the look and function of their software “just don’t get it”, as Jobs would say. He said that about the folks behind the QuickTime player back in the day, they made it look like any other generic player until Jobs tore out a page of a Swiss Watch from a magazine, handed it to them and said: “just make it look like that”. He didn’t realise though that Jony Ive is one of those people who “just don’t get it”, probably because back then he never had to see his atrocity (my opinion, don’t attack me please guys). He did a few years later though when he saw Ive’s idea of how he would want iOS to look, which is why Jobs had the common sense to have Ive stick to what he was best at, while having Forstall doing what he was best at because Forstall’s vision was vastly superior. Jobs of course chose the superior version of the two because he actually had good taste.

It’s beyond me how Cook doesn’t realise this though. He could’ve saved himself a ton of headache with the mess that iOS has become. Having a hardware guy with zero software experience take over the look of said software is just asking for trouble. And having him replace a guy with years of successful experience since the NeXT days? Just stupid. Clearly Cook “just doesn’t get it”, either.
 
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I remember a few games that were ok, and the internet clipping feature was pretty cool too, but it also tended to look disorganised, messy and chaotic with no way to keep the widgets neatly arranged, an effect compounded by their wildly differing sizes, styles and designs.

Windows got rid of their “Gadgets” (a Dashboard clone) with iOS 8 I believe, and I think it’s time for Apple to do the same.
I just remember the bouncy ball and some really cool games that for some reason ONLY existed as widgets, not regular apps, lol.
 
Here comes the classic Apple "in order for this feature to work, you have to own a recent model Mac" excuse. In this case it's going to refer to the dark color macOS theme, and no amount of quad core CPU's or dedicated GPU's from 3-4 years ago will work with it for some oddly cooked up reason.
 
i dont understand how someone is able to dig this far and found something like this. it's almost borderline no life for snooping but damn are leaks interesting AF.

wonder who apple is going to fire for this leak. its like a cat and mouse game
 
Yeah I’m looking forward to never be able to use it because I’m not from America.

That’s ok. We don’t have news in America anyway. We just have gossip and pot stirring.

And occasionally someone stirs the pot too hard and some craziness splashed out.

Nothing to get excited about. Just another day of bickering about people who are really not much different between each other.

But you must twist to get a feud going. They love the bickering. So while one stirs the pot clockwise and the other counterclockwise, they both insist their way is the right way and no other way will work.

In reality, the pot will peacefully be stirred to the same result no matter which direction you stir it. But when both stir simultaneously in opposite directions, it makes a huge mess as it sloshes our everywhere.

Nope, nothing to see here. Just a bunch of pot stirring.
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i dont understand how someone is able to dig this far and found something like this. it's almost borderline no life for snooping but damn are leaks interesting AF.

wonder who apple is going to fire for this leak. its like a cat and mouse game

Nobody is getting fired. It’s an oops thing. Probably retrained. A stern talking to. Might pee their pants. Otherwise, they’ll be fine in a couple days when Tim discovers a new race that hasn’t had an emoji to represent it yet.
 
Gosh, PLEASE let the dark mode feature be a thing. I have far too many tweaks running on High Sierra to get it as close to "dark mode" as possible for my failing eyesight.

I think that's another thing I've noticed, too: although the young generation likes dark mode largely for the aesthetics, the gen who grew up and worked with computers in the 80s, most notably with green phosphor monitors, appreciates dark mode for a return to high-contrast text and objects that don't strain one's eyesight with bright white backgrounds as most GUIs have since the 90s. I know I for one do.
 
Very real indeed, Mon 10:09 AM in menubar:), better be dark mode in iTunes too.:mad:
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I don’t understand the allure of dark mode, but if it makes everyone else shut up about dark mode I’m all for it
Because staring at all white while coding or doing photo editing burns your retina's duh...:p
 
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I was excited where they were going with Lion. I personally loved the textures and real life UI design they had going on, even going all the way back to the Aqua days and the lickable interface they had then. It was a natural progression which I never once questioned. Forstall and Jobs both knew what they were doing. Since both are sadly no longer there bad decisions have started to become common place in terms of their software UI. Now we’re forced to ask for a dark mode to compensate. I mean, I’ll take it but it’s still a compromise.

Ive, Fedirighi and whoever else is currently behind the look and function of their software “just don’t get it”, as Jobs would say. He said that about the folks behind the QuickTime player back in the day, they made it look like any other generic player until Jobs tore out a page of a Swiss Watch from a magazine, handed it to them and said: “just make it look like that”. He didn’t realise though that Jony Ive is one of those people who “just don’t get it”, probably because back then he never had to see his atrocity (my opinion, don’t attack me please guys). He did a few years later though when he saw Ive’s idea of how he would want iOS to look, which is why Jobs had the common sense to have Ive stick to what he was best at, while having Forstall doing what he was best at because Forstall’s vision was vastly superior. Jobs of course chose the superior version of the two because he actually had good taste.

It’s beyond me how Cook doesn’t realise this though. He could’ve saved himself a ton of headache with the mess that iOS has become. Having a hardware guy with zero software experience take over the look of said software is just asking for trouble. And having him replace a guy with years of successful experience since the NeXT days? Just stupid. Clearly Cook “just doesn’t get it”, either.
I think the software was so good because Steve and Scott put a human touch to it. The current leadership is great and all but they’re just too normal. Many people called Forstall and Jobs pricks because they just didn’t get them.

They were pricks because they were so passionate about what they do. Just listening to them talking about their work can tell a lot. Now when I hear Jony or Tim talking about things, they just repeat the same old thing again and again. I never learn anything new from them. Thank god for Craig because he seems like the only one who gives a damn.

The more I know about the crisis that happened in 2013 the more I’m convinced that Apple is now run by agenda and not by novel ideas. I freaking loved Forstall talking about the creation of the iPhone last year.
 
Craig Federighi better mention that gorgeous black trash can! ;)

The trash can icon in High Sierra does not even work correctly. I use its failure to work to explain the core rot at Apple these days. How can any company have a core UI element just plain not work.

Mine shows stuff in the trash all the time, when in reality the trash is empty. All you have to do is undelete a file and ah-ha the trash can is confused, just like Apple.
 
The trash can icon in High Sierra does not even work correctly. I use its failure to work to explain the core rot at Apple these days. How can any company have a core UI element just plain not work.

Mine shows stuff in the trash all the time, when in reality the trash is empty. All you have to do is undelete a file and ah-ha the trash can is confused, just like Apple.

That’s because Apple doesn’t know how to undelete or undo mistakes. It’s oops, it’ll be fine just close your eyes and plug your ears.
 
I'm sorry, but if this is representative of what they're bringing to Monday's Show-and-Tell they should just post some more "hidden" videos and be done with it. Save everyone a lot of money.
 
Agreed, it's great news. But changing the color scheme is something that should have taken an unpaid summer intern 15 minutes on his lunch break. The fact that it's years overdue, is getting such a great response here and will no doubt get a standing ovation at WWDC shows just how much the bar has been lowered on expectations from Apple.

Maybe overdue but it is far more than changing colours if it is going to look anywhere near polished.
I think the correct approach would be to first updated the whole visual design language to intentionally support both a light and dark appearance. Painting over UI designed to be light feels like a bit of a compromise lacking visual cohesiveness.

Mojave? They are going to use Microsoft Vista?

That was the absolute height of Microsoft in terms of arrogance and hubris and I discounted Mojave as a candidate because of this very campaign as well.

I think this post by Soba summed it up best:

I immediately thought of this campaign, myself. And today's Apple is just clueless enough to pick this name.
 
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True. There wasn't any discussion at all about something like a dark mode until they came up with iOS 7 and OS X Yosemite. You know you didn't do a great job when you offer an extra feature to compensate for your visionless approach. Since I've never loved their flatland design I'll be grateful at least for a proper dark mode.
Oh good gawd, people have been clamoring for a dark mode since OS 8 back in the late 90s.
 
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Because staring at all white while coding or doing photo editing burns your retina's duh...:p
You haven’t seen my pasty white skin. My retinas can’t catch a break.
 
Oh good gawd, people have been clamoring for a dark mode since OS 8 back in the late 90s.
I'm sorry I've been using Apple products only since 2010. As far as I can tell the massive outcry for dark mode started with iOS 7. And looking at OS 8 it didn't look completely white like current systems so it wasn't popular request I guess.
 
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