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Apple Legal Reportedly Hinders Reporter's Investigation of iPods Catching Fire
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How does 0.0000073% compare to other devices powered by a similar battery technology? Anybody got some numbers on that?
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Very good point. iPods allegedly catching fire is a public safety issue, whether it involves a small or large number of devices. This should be openly investigated, not swept under the rug. If it is a very miniscule risk, then this aspect should obviously be strongly stressed so as not to cause unneeded panic, until it's determined whether a recall is appropriate.
Don't forget...
Sony recalled millions of dollars' worth of laptop batteries over the past few years, all because of only about a dozen incidents.
All it takes is one such flaming device on an airliner, especially if in its hold, to bring it down in the most horrible fashion imaginable.
Sony recalled millions of dollars' worth of laptop batteries over the past few years, all because of only about a dozen incidents.
All it takes is one such flaming device on an airliner, especially if in its hold, to bring it down in the most horrible fashion imaginable.
+1 Thank you for a reasonable reply to this situation. Thank you for not attacking the iPod users, the journalist, or anybody else who wants to see a resolution to this problem.
People seem to forget that big problems stem from ignoring the little problems that cropped up in the first place. Let's find the solution to this problem, instead of trying to blame the users. Maybe it is the users' fault, but we won't know until we can have a real investigation of the situation.
My $0.02.
People seem to forget that big problems stem from ignoring the little problems that cropped up in the first place. Let's find the solution to this problem, instead of trying to blame the users. Maybe it is the users' fault, but we won't know until we can have a real investigation of the situation.
My $0.02.
Omg! How Ridiculous!
OMG! HOW RIDICULOUS!
15 incidents out of 150 million iPods sold? OMG... lets be real!!!!! How many cell phones have done the same thing over the years?
This is fear spinning by the press. 15 incidents is nothing to explode over! LOL! Oh... and the iPhone discoloration... didn't you see... that was not due to overheating but the freaking skin cover on the phone!
OMG! HOW RIDICULOUS!
15 incidents out of 150 million iPods sold? OMG... lets be real!!!!! How many cell phones have done the same thing over the years?
This is fear spinning by the press. 15 incidents is nothing to explode over! LOL! Oh... and the iPhone discoloration... didn't you see... that was not due to overheating but the freaking skin cover on the phone!
Since I don't feel like reading the whole thread, can someone tell me, the battery issue itself aside, how are the fan boys spinning the fact that Apple's lawyers were trying to hinder her accessing this info under the Freedom of Information Act request? Or are most of them focusing on the battery issue?
Yeah... companies are around to make money. If they all became Gandhis and Mother Teresas, you'd have no food on your table. Nor a roof over your head. Nor a car in your driveway. Businesses are there to turn a profit and in turn, they employ people like you, and keep you fed and put a roof over your head. It keeps the American social fabric in place. That argument is a straw-man.
Hey, you can always sacrifice your next few paycheques for the people who got burnt! If everyone did that in the company, then Apple could do a mass recall, and no one would lose their jobs.
"Apple's lawyers filed exemption after exemption". Fair enough, you didn't read the thread, but did you actually read the article?
I was asking how the mactards were defending this filling of exemption after exemption? If it's an isolated issue, then I don't understand why they can't release that information. *shrugs*
Did you read any of the responses to this article? THAT is why they would want to keep such a TRIVAL thing out of the press. People love to get worked up when 1/1,000,000,000,000 th of their products have a problem.
If 1 out of every 1,000 iPods were catching fire... we'd have a HUGE problem. But now, it's one out of about every 15,000,000 might get really hot or even smolder.
This is just fear mongering by the press. It works... look at some of the reaction here.
BTW.... KIRO news... in Seattle, WA.... in MS's back yard. Maybe why they want to look for a way to tarnish Apple?
Yes, and this will apparently come as news to you there are companies that make truckloads of money entirely without running shamelessly cynical, predatory, walk-over-corpses type businesses. And this is another newsflash some of them are actually doing a lot better than the ***** companies. Or wait... did you think that the Big Three (you know, the ones who were too cheap to put seatbelts in their cars until they were basically forced to) are doing splendidly? Because last time I checked, companies like Toyota who make safe cars that don't fall apart after two years were beating the hell out of GM, Chrysler and Ford.
So Volvo are "Mother Teresa" for wanting to put roll bars in their SUVs... yeah, because it's not like safety is their competitive edge or anything. No car manufacturer ever made a profit on safety. Please bring back cars that crumble like soda cans so that I can get food on my table and a roof over my head.
Yes, and this will apparently come as news to you there are companies that make truckloads of money entirely without running shamelessly cynical, predatory, walk-over-corpses type businesses. And this is another newsflash some of them are actually doing a lot better than the ***** companies. Or wait... did you think that the Big Three (you know, the ones who were too cheap to put seatbelts in their cars until they were basically forced to) are doing splendidly? Because last time I checked, companies like Toyota who make safe cars that don't fall apart after two years were beating the hell out of GM, Chrysler and Ford.
So Volvo are "Mother Teresa" for wanting to put roll bars in their SUVs... yeah, because it's not like safety is their competitive edge or anything. No car manufacturer ever made a profit on safety. Please bring back cars that crumble like soda cans so that I can get food on my table and a roof over my head.
Hilarious! Very true. I think Ford learned it's lesson, as it started building decent quality cars again. This is why competition is so great! GM slowly buying out all their competition made them lax on things like safety and quality. Apple could use some real competition so they don't get into the mindset of one-size-fits-all. I'd hate to see their brilliant profit margins go to campaigns to make everything private and secret...
Oy. What a mess. If true, shouldn't a big company like Apple know that this type of behavior will only lead to trouble?
Yes, and this will apparently come as news to you there are companies that make truckloads of money entirely without running shamelessly cynical, predatory, walk-over-corpses type businesses. And this is another newsflash some of them are actually doing a lot better than the ***** companies. Or wait... did you think that the Big Three (you know, the ones who were too cheap to put seatbelts in their cars until they were basically forced to) are doing splendidly? Because last time I checked, companies like Toyota who make safe cars that don't fall apart after two years were beating the hell out of GM, Chrysler and Ford.
So Volvo are "Mother Teresa" for wanting to put roll bars in their SUVs... yeah, because it's not like safety is their competitive edge or anything. No car manufacturer ever made a profit on safety. Please bring back cars that crumble like soda cans so that I can get food on my table and a roof over my head.
Yeah Volvo sure looks like they have truckloads of money. In fact, Toyota doesn't look like it's doing any better. Hmm, truckloads, you say?
So I think you're going to have to elaborate a little further on who these fictional companies are. As I've seen it, everyone that is incorporated has made some "questionable" decision in their history; ones that sacrificed public safety to some extent. It's the nature of the beast.
Stop being such a sheep and prattling on about Ford, GM, and Chrysler. The issue is not with car companies that a marred history. The issue is whether a company would take a financial hit for the public wellbeing.
Certainly no company wants to hurt people, but they also don't want to go out of business. This is why they skirt product build quality with manufacturing costs. Sometimes they get stung. Sometimes you pay the cost. But to think that their exists a business that will hug, cradle, and nurse you is just a tad bit myopic.
No. I'm sure they are doing investigations. They are probably more concerned with negative media turning a few bad units into a sea of ticking time bombs. As Popeye206 said above: "This is just fear mongering by the press".
The poor saps that don't care to read or think critically will now blemish Apple products. That's not to say their may or may not be a problem, but rather that there are proper, scientific channels to go through to find out.
A mere handful vs. 175 million sold.
Pure FUD. I mean, this isn't just the regular kind you see floating around all the time. That's like luggage. You'll always have it around and you learn to just put it where it belongs. But this is MEGA-FUD. Like, the kind that only Voltron can get rid of.
Pure FUD. I mean, this isn't just the regular kind you see floating around all the time. That's like luggage. You'll always have it around and you learn to just put it where it belongs. But this is MEGA-FUD. Like, the kind that only Voltron can get rid of.
I can not believe that people are bothered that Apple Legal would try and avoid a reporter investigating an issue that has not even been fully explored yet. This is clearly a reporter trying to make a name for herself by writing sensationalist journalism in a hope of getting attention. We have 15 cases out of over 200 million iPods that may or may not be manufacturing defects. Do you honestly believe the reporter will play that down or make sure people realize how small a percent that is? Hell no. I can see the title now "Explosive iPods cause injury and damage!". Obviously that is going to hurt Apple financially and their Legal department would try and avoid a reporter reporting on stuff that has yet to be verified as to the cause. I hate this whole freedom of the press crap that allows for articles to be printed without the full facts known. Reporters should be licensed and if they report on something that is not completely known or true they get fined and barred from reporting in the future. I get sick and tired of seeing reporters and news companies trying to get sales by slanting stories to ensure they get top rating and sell. It was like the Toronto Sun newspaper a few years back when a bunch of RCMP were killed in a shootout. Every other paper was respectful and reported it as a tragedy, but the Sun wanted to sell papers and had a picture for the scene with Massacre as the headline. I don't like governments or companies hiding things but there needs to be fairness on both sides. Reporters should be allowed to report the truth and only the truth and strict penalties for reporting inaccurate things. Freedom of the press should not be a blank card for sensationalism and shoddy investigations.
Arrogance nearly felled Apple before, and could do it again.
When I see the negative stories (blocking the Pre, crazy App store policies, dumbing down of the product line, secrecy and suicide, ...), and notice that the tone of the forums is becoming more polarized and critical of Apple - it seems like some dark force has returned to 1 Infinite Loop recently....
Blocking FOIA requests from reporters seems to be the wrong way to get the real truth out.
15 out of 200 million ipods and iphones and itouch's.
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THINK about it - the battery is so SMALL that 'fire' caused by this thing would be also very SMALL.
Its obvious that this is a BS story jumping on the Apple bandwagon - its a hit monster of a non-story.
Most of these issues are caused by stupid people doing things like washing the ipod and then plugging it in.
Water + electricity = not so good.
I am in the Insurance claim biz and believe me, almost ALL of these kinds of issues are operator error.
This is serious BS, no proof of any part of it. None.
15 out of 200 million. Lets not continue our decline into entitlement and stupidity, please. Please.
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15.
15
THINK about it - the battery is so SMALL that 'fire' caused by this thing would be also very SMALL.
Its obvious that this is a BS story jumping on the Apple bandwagon - its a hit monster of a non-story.
Most of these issues are caused by stupid people doing things like washing the ipod and then plugging it in.
Water + electricity = not so good.
I am in the Insurance claim biz and believe me, almost ALL of these kinds of issues are operator error.
This is serious BS, no proof of any part of it. None.
15 out of 200 million. Lets not continue our decline into entitlement and stupidity, please. Please.
I think Apple should hire another couple dozen lawyers and start bearing down on some of the bullfeathers claims... "oooh, i tripped on my Apple product and somehow fell into a vat of money, poor me."
I freely admit that my intense dislike of frivolous lawsuits has colored my attitude in advance towards lawsuits that may well have merit. What can I say. I would like to be fair and hear both sides with an open mind. I actually disqualified myself from serving on a civil case once when some guy was suing Donald Trump. I stepped outside during my turn in the voir dire and told the lawyers for both sides that I could not be fair to either side because, regretfully, I did not trust either of them, nor either of their clients. The lawyers for the plaintiffs excused me, and I went back to the jury pool...
I freely admit that my intense dislike of frivolous lawsuits has colored my attitude in advance towards lawsuits that may well have merit. What can I say. I would like to be fair and hear both sides with an open mind. I actually disqualified myself from serving on a civil case once when some guy was suing Donald Trump. I stepped outside during my turn in the voir dire and told the lawyers for both sides that I could not be fair to either side because, regretfully, I did not trust either of them, nor either of their clients. The lawyers for the plaintiffs excused me, and I went back to the jury pool...
