Are you more concerned about the batteries or Apple legal's incident that now gets blown out of proportion?
Screaming FUD sounds like you just want to cover your ears and ignore everything. Any sort of criticism gets called FUD nowadays.
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Apple Legal Reportedly Hinders Reporter's Investigation of iPods Catching Fire
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Screaming FUD sounds like you just want to cover your ears and ignore everything. Any sort of criticism gets called FUD nowadays.
What?? First let there be examination of the alleged troubles, case by case. You know, start by replacing ones that needed more time in the quality assurance pass, fixing ones that can be fixed, regretfully turning down clear cases of operator error (ipods in water, duh, driving car over laptop, duh).
Very immature of them to not complying with the investigations. Could they create more negative PR for themselves?
KIRO-TV is leading the investigation? I thought they had enough trouble affording Steve Raible's trips with the Seahawks.
The things you learn on boards...
(to make it clear...7 out of 150 million makes it a very difficult matter to discern if it's systemic problem, and if it is, where it is. Talk about small sample sizes....)
The Foxcomm employee suicide story.
The facts aren't certain, but the tale of breakins, beatings and suicide certainly is not a positive story for Apple's very important brand image.
SPARE ME!
I'm in general agreement with the above. I am most definitely not an apologist, and yes I would say the same thing when this happens to a few batches of Zunes.
As for the loy-yahs trying to sweep it under the rug, since Apple didn't make the batteries, that's really all they need to say. Just shrug and say "Wasn't me," and that'd be enough acknowledgment on their part. Trying to cover it up will just make them look like...uh...the Vole (for fellow readers of TheInquirer.net)
"Wasn't us, it was a conspiracy tied to the Commie government."
"You mean the one that oppressively creates the cheap labor that you take advantage of?"
"Lolwut?"
Hooo boy. I can see where that one might be going...
Consumer product safety law isn't written like that.
Apple chose the components, and is fully responsible to the consumers for any product defects.
After compensating customers for defective products, Apple then has the option of attempting to get payments from Apple's suppliers, based on the contract Apple signed with the supplier.
Look at any automotive recall (where more often than not the defective part came from a supplier).
Or look at the laptop batteries recalled because of bad cells from Sony. Apple, Dell and the other end-consumer vendors replaced the batteries. None of them said "call Sony" and then hung up the phone.
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(Not saying the Ipod problem is serious or not, just pointing out that Sehnsucht's interpretation of consumer product safety law is way off.)
"Wasn't me" doesn't necessarily mean "Ain't my bitch."
I wasn't suggesting that they didn't/shouldn't have to replace the defective iPods, I was just pointing out that playing cover-up is stupid because a) Apple will be expected to replace the defective units anyway, and b) they didn't make the batteries, so this is a way they could try and avoid looking bad. If they'd just do it right.
That is all.
I wasn't suggesting that they didn't/shouldn't have to replace the defective iPods, I was just pointing out that playing cover-up is stupid because a) Apple will be expected to replace the defective units anyway, and b) they didn't make the batteries, so this is a way they could try and avoid looking bad. If they'd just do it right.
That is all.
This really has nothing to do with iPods, it has to do with shoddy Chinese manufacturing of lith-ion batteries. The same problem surfaced with PCs and cellphones of all brands.
The reason the iPod is brought up is 1) The high profile of the device 2) There are likely far more incidents of fire/melting in iPods than any other one device considering there are tens of millions sold each quarter.
The reason the iPod is brought up is 1) The high profile of the device 2) There are likely far more incidents of fire/melting in iPods than any other one device considering there are tens of millions sold each quarter.
Fascinating how this story evolves over time. From
"the employee asked the security people to search his flat in order to prove his innocence" it changed to "security searched his flat" to "security searched his flat, which might be illegal according to Chinese law" to "security illegally searched his flat" to "a tale of breakins".
Im sure that rumour was debunked as being false. It was the 3rd party iphone case that was marking the white casing of the iphone.
Facts from the article itself: 1. Apple has been looking at these incidents very carefully, producing over 800 pages of documentation so far. So nobody can say that Apple is ignoring this or not taking it seriously. 2. So far, no serious injuries have been reported to the CPSC.
The rest of the article is assumptions, sensationalism, and unproven accusations against Apple reported as facts.
The rest of the article is assumptions, sensationalism, and unproven accusations against Apple reported as facts.
Hey dimwad...it's a third-party component, not Apple's doing, and battery overheating has been every manufacturer's problem when it comes to Lithium-ion batteries. Only recently, with the help of electron microscopes was it found how this kind of overheating comes about.
With use, the lithium forms micro-small crystals that can grow and puncture the ultra-thin dielectic in the battery. This then forms an internal short circuit and the extremely high energy-density of the lithium-ion battery is released, causing the heating.
This was a totally unforeseen problem of lithium-ion batteries, and once the problem was recognized, batteries were redesigned to reduce the problem. Without changing the materials in the batteries, it is not 100% guaranteed to not happen.
Different materials and new manufacturing methods are on the way. The current density requirements of batteries for the portable market are amazingly high. We all want our devices to go a long time between charges and we want the battery to do a lot when they are being used.
You could probably only need to fill your jeans pockets with enough iPod Nano batteries to start a car. That's how powerful they are. As consumers, we really don't appreciate how much different an iPod battery is from an equally sized AAA Duracell.
Yet 15 overheating iPod out of tens or hundreds of millions, is an incredibly low failure rate. A person has a much higher probability of going into the hospital with a minor problem and coming out with a life-threatening infection you caught while there.
Starting about the time the MB Air was put on the market Apple began to make their own batteries, so only with the latest models of products is Apple the battery manufacturer.
your chances are less then 1 in 10 to 20 million. You should worry more about your house being struck by lightning...it's a far more common occurrence.
Yes, too many posters in this forum believe that a lie repeated enough becomes a truth. You will notice how the person you quoted had changed it from a single event to multiple. I swear, some normally educated people are as loose with the truth as a bunch of old bats at a church social.
Actually, it's due to a recently discovered tendency of Lithium to form sharp crystals under an electrical charge. The crystals can puncture the dialecric shorting out the battery. With improvements, the incidence of battery failure per tens of millions of units has gone down, but not been eliminated.
Yes, very correct. The rate of incident is something like one failure per 10 or 20 million units.
LTD was trying to point out the low incidence of the problem. His numbers were a few in 175 million. the actual number is more like 15 in 175 million.
Let's put this in perspective of how many people in the U.S. were hit by natural meteorites. Lasdt year it was one in 250 million. Now should all cars have armored roofs? Should we all carry 150 pound steel umberellas when we venture outside? Do you carry enough meteorite insurance to protect your family?
See the point?
Maybe since it's an insignificant failure rate, they wanted to prevent mass hysteria, like we are seeing on this board at the moment.
Our FOA laws are clearly screwed up here. Reports submitted to the CPSC should be public record (within reasonable costs of providing public access to such records). There should be absolutely zero mechanisms for corporations or private citizens to block disclosure of public record (outside of classified information).
Apple should be responsible for damages of any taxpayer expenses that went toward legal costs incurred by the government. For that matter, Apple should also be responsible for damages incurred by this TV station in dealing with any delayed disclosure.