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Apple Licenses Nokia Patents, Ending Lawsuits
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That too but the proof of this will come a little later
Yes, Apple's patents were so strong that they (Apple) decided to pay Nokia. Did I get it right?
I bought a Nokia N91 in 2006. Great phone right? Wrong. It stopped playing MP3s, started to do weird stuff after few months. I sent the phone to Nokia. They could not fix it. They did not offer me a new one. They adjusted the months I used the phone and gave me a refund.
I again purchased Nokia after this. The phone died on me when I was doing the software update. A SIMPLE update. That was my last Nokia.
Thanks to Apple for putting a phone in the market that never gave me problems and if it did, they would just replace it with a new one. Btw, the software updates never killed my phone.
Nokia is the most stupid company. They could have RULED the cellphone market forever. They had all the opportunity but they decided to put millions of phone models instead of improving their software.
I again purchased Nokia after this. The phone died on me when I was doing the software update. A SIMPLE update. That was my last Nokia.
Thanks to Apple for putting a phone in the market that never gave me problems and if it did, they would just replace it with a new one. Btw, the software updates never killed my phone.
Nokia is the most stupid company. They could have RULED the cellphone market forever. They had all the opportunity but they decided to put millions of phone models instead of improving their software.
Not quite but then again, you're not really trying very hard. The first step is to follow these things from the start. You haven't been following this story, have you?
Here's the basic rundown. Nokia wanted to charge Apple exorbitant fees for the use of some patents, much more than they were charging other licensees. Apple demanded that they charge a fair price and refused to pay. Nokia sues, Apple countersues... and then suddenly all lawsuits are gone and Apple is licensing Nokia's patents.
Now logically, what do you think happened behind-the-scenes? This probably isn't a win for either side. Nokia probably caved on their fees and Apple agreed to license the patents at a fair price and drop their counter-suits.
You have a better take on this? I doubt it but I'd love to hear it.
Since the financials are not public, I'm not sure we can come to that conclusion.
There is simply not enough information to even speculate on this one. How do you know that it was not Apple who caved? This would break a deadlock too. But that's not that important. Nobody knows what the fair price is anyways (it's subjective). What we do know now is that Nokia is an innovator here and Apple is the copy-master (to trivialize the things a little). Because some people firmly believed that the opposite was true and Nokia should pay Apple.
Ahhh... The Apple hater...
I don't think anyone said that. Apple just wanted the same "fair and reasonable" rates others got. I don't think anybody assumed Apple was not going to pay for the use of the tech.
I don't think anyone said that. Apple just wanted the same "fair and reasonable" rates others got. I don't think anybody assumed Apple was not going to pay for the use of the tech.
I don't know how much experience you have in litigation, but in my experience, settlements like these are often based on business cases and valuation of evidence. It is also valuable not to have a open judgement if the plaintiff and defendant are to do business in the future. Who were "right" is often secondary.
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Which fanboys would these be, specifically? Otherwise, lay off the strawman arguments.Amazing how the apple fanboys bash samsung and other companies for "stealing ideas" but fail to realize apple itself took something from another company...
Amazing how the apple fanboys bash samsung and other companies for "stealing ideas" but fail to realize apple itself took something from another company...
This mostly about Nokia's unfair demands to licence patents included in the GSM standard in the Exact same way to ALL PARTIES. Nokia were demanding more from Apple than any other vendor (which isn't allowed for patents submitted to be part of a standard).
Exactly, I'd don't think Nokia could have been given more than others had agreed to, because of the legal implications for a standards patent.
Let's not forget, Apple WANTED TO PAY THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE, all along. Nokia were just trying to be greedy!
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I am glad we agree that Apple "borrowed" a lot of Nokia creations and not vice versa. It is indicative that cross-licensing agreement is not part of this deal. Apparently Nokia did not find anything they would need to patent from Apple.
Apple wanted to pay, and always knew they'd have to. That was never in question.
What was in question was why Nokia wanted to license their standards based patents to Apple under different terms to those they'd agreed to abide by when they submitted their patents as part of a standard.
Lets be perfectly clear about this....
1, this is a business as usual deal between both these companies. 2, it is good for both companies. And 3, Apple is still playing shuffleboard with Nokias genitals. Not being a fanboy, it's business and just compare the 2 balance sheets for a minute.
1, this is a business as usual deal between both these companies. 2, it is good for both companies. And 3, Apple is still playing shuffleboard with Nokias genitals. Not being a fanboy, it's business and just compare the 2 balance sheets for a minute.
Stop all the blind trolling, and open your eyes. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE A PHONE USING THE GSM STANDARD WITHOUT NEEDING TO LICENSE NOKIA'S PATENTS IN QUESTION!
That's why Nokia MUST offer "Fair, Reasonable and NON-DISCRIMNATORY" terms To these patents (something they were trying to avoid when licensing to Apple).
As long as the cost isn't insane, it's best for Apple to license and move on (in the case of large companies like Nokia who also hold many patents). Getting hung up in these patent minefields costs resources and creates investor uncertainty. It's not like Apple is hurting for cash.
Are you sure that Apple is "playing shuffleboard with Nokias genitals" and not with yours? because it's you (as in "Apple customer") who pays those exorbitant prices for iPhone. Well, now Nokia gets to "play shuffleboard with your genitals" a little bit too because every time you pay for iPhone Nokia will be getting their cut.
Do you really believe that this deal was signed on the terms offered by Apple before? And why do you need to quote what's generally a common knowledge on this forum?
Yea, last I looked the iPhone price is on par with any other top end smartphone. Mm k. Good talk seriously don't be ridiculous.
In terms of my shuffleboard comment... Again look at the balance sheets. Apples profits crush Nokia by a factor of 3 to 1 being conservative.... And growing.... And I'm talking just phones.
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I'm going to nickname you Mr. Ubiquitous because, dude, you are seriously all over the place.
We know that you hate Apple, but as usual you get it wrong. Apple never claimed that Nokia's patents were not valid and that Apple should not pay. What Apple claimed that Nokia's patents were part of phone standards and Nokia had to license them to everyone on the same terms, whereas Nokia tried to charge Apple more money than others.
Now we hear that Apple is licensing the patents and pays some amount of money for them, something which Apple always said it wanted to do anyway.
No, the company that has Nokia by the balls is Microsoft. Important rule for any company: Never, ever hire an ex-Microsoft executive as your CEO.
We don't know, this is what Apple said, not necessary the truth.
And you know this because...
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First line should read that Apple has entered into a patent licence agreement with Nokia. Not the other way round.