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Absolutely, I didn't say it was the same as last year's (that would be... odd) but yawn worthy. Not to derail this thread but my S6 Edge+ has 4GB RAM, 16MP camera with 4K recording, and an industry leading screen. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic... if the iPhone 7 were slated to release this year, it'd be a different story. You forgot to mention the smaller battery, 16GB base, and *gasp* thicker enclosure. I think the recent iPhones resort to an entirely too conservative design evolution. Doesn't seem to affect their sales though, which I really don't care about and doesn't serve as a basis for argument for me as a consumer looking to purchase a smartphone... cutting edge design does.
Yet even with 4GB of ram apps still refresh.
 
Why do you say that? The spec says 1080p up to 30fps. Do you have a reference? Thanks

The difference is this:

HDMI supports 3 different frame rates at 1080p: 24, 30, and 60. The AppleTV will playback any content that is up to 30fps. Which is fine. However, it only supports 1080p30 and 1080p60 output over HDMI. Which means what you get is 24fps converted to 60fps via 3:2 pulldown. This introduces its own artifacts during pans and other forms of motion that prevent it from being smooth (one of the sources of judder). And it prevents TVs that can display 24fps natively (by running at 120/240Hz, which is a multiple of 24, 30, and 60), from being able to do their own processing on the frames.

Honestly, a Blu-Ray played from disc beats the same movie streamed from my PC via AppleTV in terms of motion resolution and smoothness (since the TV also does a good job combating other sources of judder). PQ is fine.
 
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Fair enough, I thought it was another one of those posts that was going to complain about Apple since Steve Job's has died.

I'm actually one of those people who thinks Apple needs to think outside of the Steve Jobs box. Times change, and Apple needs to change with them.
 
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Do you think Apple will shift their yearly fall agenda to just being one September event from now on? (Not being sarcastic, genuinely interested in your take)

As I said further up the thread, I honestly don't think Apple have a rigid agenda when it comes to the timing of their product reveals at keynotes. Granted, the iPhone gets an annual update, but it hasn't always been in September. My take is, I dont think Apple set themselves deadlines. When a product is ready, they pick a suitable time to announce it.

This year could be a blip. But the marketeer in me thinks this:
  • Consumer interest in iPads is dwindling. If Apple want to reinvigorate the iPad line, it's probably best to piggy-back on their biggest event of the year - the widely anticipated and expected September iPhone launch.
  • This is an 'S' year for the iPhone. When the media report on the event, do Apple want them showing pictures of an identical looking phone? I think Apple would rather have pictures of a flashy new super sized iPad on top their articles.
  • Apple have been waiting for new processors so they can update the Macs. October seems too soon. What else could they talk about in October?
It seems logical. But as I say, Apple do still like to surprise us.

If we've learnt anything from the 'pattern' of Apple keynotes. It's that there is no fixed pattern. Yes, they've tended to have iPhone keynotes in September and iPads in October recently. iPads used to be released in March / April, some Macs at WWDC (I seem to remember), some new products have been announced loooong before release, some only a matter of weeks. Heck, the first 4 iPhone generations were released in June/July.

Apple aren't worried about overshadowing their flagship product, last year they announced the Apple Watch at the iPhone event. The one thing we know for certain is that Apple are holding a 'Big Announcement' next week (Siri's words, not mine). I can absolutely see them introducing several new products on 9th September.

There seems very little need to hold an October event. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the El Capitain beta releases keeping pace with the iOS 9 ones? Doesn't that suggest a concurrent release of both?

I trust Apple to know and understand the market for their own devices better than anyone. If they think there's market for a larger iPad with stylus support, then they'll make it work. For those that don't see the point of this rumoured iPad pro/plus, then you're clearly not their target market.
 
The current ATV is already 1080p. It just doesn't support 24 fps output. Right now, I'd be happy with that.



He was also talking about the iPhone in 2007, something meant to be with-you-at-all-times convenient. And honestly, Jobs has said a lot of things. Remember how he said nobody wants to watch video on a tiny iPod screen? Yeah...
Hm, true. Guess we'll see how it plays out. I just hope evry unit will have a slot for the stylus like the 3DS.
 
Is jot script 2 really that better?
I bought jot script 1 and returned it because it just didn't work as I'd like it. Frankly, Galaxy Note blew it away, and i absolutely hate that phone.

No, I don't have the gadget yet (iPad Air 2 and Adonit Jot Script 2). I'm buying them by the end of October in another island, anyway. Why did you return it?

Oh yeah, I once tried Galaxy Note 4 smartphone and Galaxy Tab A with S pen at a local Samsung shop here. They both suck. Note 4 doesn't even have palm rejection. Both gadgets can't recognise my handwriting correctly. Not as Samsung promised, as they even promised they can support Indonesian handwriting recognition.
 
No, I don't have the gadget yet (iPad Air 2 and Adonit Jot Script 2). I'm buying them by the end of October in another island, anyway. Why did you return it?

Oh yeah, I once tried Galaxy Note 4 smartphone and Galaxy Tab A with S pen at a local Samsung shop here. They both suck. Note 4 doesn't even have palm rejection. Both gadgets can't recognise my handwriting correctly. Not as Samsung promised, as they even promised they can support Indonesian handwriting recognition.

https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote4/comments/3h0rmy/does_the_note_4_have_palm_rejection_if_youre/
 
No, I don't have the gadget yet (iPad Air 2 and Adonit Jot Script 2). I'm buying them by the end of October in another island, anyway. Why did you return it?

Oh yeah, I once tried Galaxy Note 4 smartphone and Galaxy Tab A with S pen at a local Samsung shop here. They both suck. Note 4 doesn't even have palm rejection. Both gadgets can't recognise my handwriting correctly. Not as Samsung promised, as they even promised they can support Indonesian handwriting recognition.

Yeah, software and implementation is horrible on Samsung, but the stylus itself (with a dedicated digitizer) is much better.

I returned jot script because of diagonal lines. With fine point styli it's practically impossible to draw diagonal lines.
(edit) also, because it had terrible lag with bluetooth connection. I found it too cumbersome to actually use. Nice, but couldn't imagine using it in the real world.

Supposedly Jot Script 2 works better.
http://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2015/05/review-adonit-jot-script-2.html (scroll down to the picture)

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http://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2014/11/review-bamboo-stylus-fineline.html
here you can read about Bamboo fine point and diagonal problem.
 
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Here's what i think - The iPad Pro will be a better dual purpose laptop/tablet than a Surface... Because people like the Surface... (I don't)

Apple should do it better. Maybe a true "dual device" thing
- iPad in a detachable screen for tablet mode
- MacBook in the keyboard case for mac mode

-- uses Intel's wireless screen connection for mac mode
-- leverages apple "continuation" feature
-- uses force touch to swtich between ipad/mac

-- no kickstand (supported by the base?)
-- no need to run a full OS in tablet mode

The two cpus would share screen, storage, and maybe battery.

I only carry one device.

integrating both an iOS and OS X hybrid would be something quite remarkable.

Using touch input with an ecosystem of applications designed for mouse and keyboard = compromise.
Attaching two computers together to make a hybrid device = compromise.
Apple tends to avoid compromise much more than other companies, so don't get your hopes up too high.
 
Price almost always matters.

I want this. I'll use this. I can use this. At $800, I'll just continue using what I have. Cut about 30% or more off that price and I'd consider it.

Price matters.

I think you’re inferring incorrectly. Sirious said “that price won’t matter”—meaning in this instance to that audience, the $800 price won’t be an issue. You’re going a step further by taking that to mean price in general doesn’t matter.

Of course price matters. But why don’t they cut 60% off and get even more sales? Because price is not arbitrary. According to rumors, the device (and the price of the device) is aimed at the enterprise and creative market, so undoubtedly many general consumers won’t understand the device or the price. It will be able to do things that neither a smaller iPad nor a MacBook can do. For some, that functionality is necessary so the price will be worth it. For others, that functionality is not that important and will only be worth it if it was cheaper. It’s not intended for the latter. Simple as that.
 
Exactly, and I don't think there's a true audience for a $800 iPad. For a little more, you can get a MacBook. For a little less, you can get a slightly smaller iPad. Unless this thing has some mind-blowing features that neither of the other products offer, I don't see it starting at that price.

Price matters most of all, I think.

I don't understand the concept of this. Who would look at an iPad "Pro" and an Macbook and go, "Wow, let's get the iPad Pro?"

I think $800 is a good guess for the starting price considering the rumored features, and I think there is an audience for it. It will just be a more focused market than the other iPads and even MBAs, hence the supposed markup. Certain creative and enterprise use cases call for a larger tablet with extra functionality over existing iPads. In these cases, a tablet form factor is needed so a clamshell MacBook isn't an option. Yes, if it is just a bigger iPad Air 2, a $200 markup will be perplexing, but rumors suggest that's not the case. It should have more functionality. But we'll see soon enough (hopefully).
 
Using touch input with an ecosystem of applications designed for mouse and keyboard = compromise.
Attaching two computers together to make a hybrid device = compromise.
Apple tends to avoid compromise much more than other companies, so don't get your hopes up too high.
Attaching an iPod a cellphone and an Internet navigator was a compromise too...
They always make it: thinner instead of better battery life.

Where is the ecosystem? Who eats who? Weird term commonly used.

Touch can help click and move windows faster than scrolling a mouse that it cannot be made to work is a paradigm.

Optimized is a utopia, as whatever you consider the optimum today can always be improved.

Having an apple device that can run any app you throw at it is feasible, that many users here have a fetish on having a separate device for every task and like to play with many toys is the only reason why many don't like to have something that can do everything.
 
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I think you're right, it would have to be somewhere around 30% more than the iPad just to distinguish it. That would be expected anyway for the larger screen. But it might come with more storage than a standard iPad, and/or more features in other ways that would make up for the increased price.
 
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