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maybe they will introduce but no release til next spring? i mean ... shouldnt there be a SDK and months of betas for devs first

I think (and hope) it's more likely they'll release it with Apples apps and maybe a few highly curated partner dev apps, and the SDK for general devs will be released in beta for app submission some time later.
 
I don't really care about the Apple TV service because even if it happens it probably wont come to Canada. However I need a second Apple TV and keep hearing rumours of a new one coming out so I have been holding off for about a year.
 
Well it kinda is because content providers are free to work with and not work with whoever they want. Just like all other providers of goods and services can sell their products to whoever they want. A potato farm or beef supplier doesn't have to sell to Mcdonalds if they dont want to just like Studios and networks dont have to work with Apple. That's what a free market is. It goes both ways.

and No, offering something and manufacturing something is two different things. Just because Walmart sells clothing doesn't mean they're in the fashion design industry. Just because Time Warner hands you a Cable Box they got from Cisco doesn't mean they're a hardware developer.

I think we are not quite understanding each other. The free market sarcastic remark was in reference to cable companies not offering better service because well they don't have to. But are trying to block competition because they KNOW their service sucks and would lose to anyone who will offer better service.

No Walmart would not be in the fashion design business. Because they offer variety fashion from a variety of fashion designers. If Walmart ONLY offered its customers one choice of designer. AND had a hand in HOW that design looks and function. Then yes they are in the fashion design business. Even though they never lifted a sewing needle or cut a single cloth.
 
If Apple's TV service is only Live TV, I am pretty sure it will be DoA.

There has been so many different things said about it, but I don't ever remember seeing Live TV only. That would make me really sad.

I feel like in the times of On Demand, Netflix, iTunes, and others similar services, watching TV shows on a schedule other than your own is a thing of the past.

The only thing I see value in live TV is for big events that everyone will be talking about the next morning such as major sporting events and big political debates / election night coverage. I agree with you 100% about there being plenty of On Demand services for entertainment shows.
 
I guess we have 2 different PS4's because that service sucked to me. I tried the trial which was stupidly only 7 days....now magically it's 30 days. Wonder why Sony? Couldn't get enough subs for that crap service? First, it's missing multiple local channels in my area. There are times often when suddenly the TV show would suddenly repeat what just happened 1 minute ago. I gets hiccups and without notice. I have a 150Mbps connection from Comcast. I have zero issues streaming anything else.

Then compared to "Live TV" Sony's service is about 50 seconds behind in time compared to my DirecTV, which is already 5 seconds behind for instant replay. The highest price tier is $69 and you certainly don't get your money's worth. Good that you're happy but that service is not worth that much money at all. I would go as far as saying it's not worth paying for at all. Sony has a lot of work to do. Couple that with using the Playstation controller to change channels and operate the video controls. Give me a break. Sony could've at least put out a dedicated remote. They won't be getting me to leave DirecTV.

i actually have a PS3 but i had no issues when i did the trial. i agree with you on the price point, its too pricey, for 20 bucks, i can add the comcast sports pack which is cheaper.
 
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Perhaps you are not aware of it, but cable companies pay vastly different amounts for the rights to carry different channels. The fees you pay are to cover the most popular channels, and the crap channels (which cost very little to carry) are just thrown in to make it feel like you are getting a deal. Unless you just happen to be a rare diehard fan of The Sewing Channel, chances are your favorite channels are among the most popular ones, which are costing your provider the most in fees. You're not going to save as much as you think if you were to be offered the popular channels a la carte.

Exactly.

People assume fewer selected channels = lower bill

But there is no guarantee of that ever being true.
 
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I've been so excited about the possibilities of something like this for so long. Recently I realized, I don't give a crap. TV is a complete waste of time. There's a few good shows out there, but just a few. 99% of it is useless. The more I read about a potential Apple TV, the less I want one.
 
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It's like, every year they post the same garbage. "Here it comes! Here it comes! Here it comes! Here it comes! aaaaaaand next year."

It's not September yet. Your point is invalid if a new Apple TV actually is released. This post is only about the streaming service. Personally I don't even care about the streaming service and am far more excited about an App Store.
 
I think we are not quite understanding each other. The free market sarcastic remark was in reference to cable companies not offering better service because well they don't have to. But are trying to block competition because they KNOW their service sucks and would lose to anyone who will offer better service.

No Walmart would not be in the fashion design business. Because they offer variety fashion from a variety of fashion designers. If Walmart ONLY offered its customers one choice of designer. AND had a hand in HOW that design looks and function. Then yes they are in the fashion design business. Even though they never lifted a sewing needle or cut a single cloth.


They're not really blocking competition though. Apple is free to start their own cable company, make their own content, or pay whatever high amount the providers would want to allow their service to go forward. Just because the company is refusing to accept Apple's terms doesn't mean they're blocking them from competing.

What the content providers and cable companies are doing is no different than what any other company including Apple themselves do when dealing, working with, and/or competing with other companies.

Simply relaying some requests and requirements for how a product should look or function doesn't make you the manufacturer/developer/creator of that product. If it did then Samsung and Dell would be known as operating system/software developers for their products carrying the operating systems (Windows and Android) created for them. Guess what ? They're not.

Apple has always made the distinction that they are a software AND hardware company unlike their competitors because they directly develop both the software and hardware in house. Samsung and Dell dont do this that's why they're not known as operating system developers. Cable providers do not create Cable boxers in house. They get the box from a SEPARATE company that makes them. Passing the box on with their service doesn't not make them a cable box manufacturer, therefore they are not in the hardware business. If Mcdonalds buys meat from a independent farm. They can send requests all day about what fat %, cut type, and diet they want their meat. It doesn't make them a livestock company. Just because Walmart says they want some white shoes with velcro straps for the spring doesn't make them a shoe designer/manufacturer.
 
It's like, every year they post the same garbage. "Here it comes! Here it comes! Here it comes! Here it comes! aaaaaaand next year."

Yep. It's one of the best signs that a source is talking out its usb ports.

I suspect that there is no TV service. Not like they are thinking which seems to be something akin to Hulu. If Apple is doing anything it's probably just trying to get themselves classed the same as a cable service so you can pay them $19.99 a month and use all those existing tv apps. Add to that perhaps encouraging more such apps, encouraging stand alone options for those that don't care to buy in bulk etc.

They might also be trying to bring back some version of renting tv shows, trying to get shows to release globally and so on
 
Sorry folks, I don't get where you all get the entitlement from that Apple better deliver (or what?)
Postponed again. They had enough time. Don't know what they are doing etc..

All that based on rumors and Apple hasn't said a peep.

Relax, you lived all your lives without whatever Apple is planning and will still live and your Moms will still love you. It's all good.

Now, about the only thing I take from all of this is that the negotiations are tricky and complicated.
Between Apple wanting their cut, content providers not wanting to relinquish control and trying to get good pricing for all to entice subscribers, I do see little while of negotiations.

Sarcasm Mate. Sarcasm, I don't even own an Apple TV, and frankly care less when something is going to be delivered
 
There real elephant in the room is even when try cord cutting and just get internet plan it just makes more sense to get internet + TV (cable) because the price difference is not even that much maybe $5 or $10

For 6 or 12 months, yes. Then they jack your rates and tell you that you're "not eligible" for introductory pricing anymore.

The reason that this is taking so long is that it's a tough battle to get the studios/content creators to embrace the fact that their crap isn't worth what they've been getting for it, and the time is coming when they'll have to work for their dollars, like everyone else in the world. Keep wailing on them, Apple.
 
There real elephant in the room is even when try cord cutting and just get internet plan it just makes more sense to get internet + TV (cable) because the price difference is not even that much maybe $5 or $10
This is why I'm so excited about Google Fiber. With their free tier, speeds should still be fast enough for all the streaming media I can handle. I still would prefer a la carte TV through Apple TV since I only have live TV for sports, but this is a step forward.
 
It's like, every year they post the same garbage. "Here it comes! Here it comes! Here it comes! Here it comes! aaaaaaand next year."

It would probably help if it didn't keep getting leaked when Apple wants to launch the service. Obviously negotiations are going to go bad for you if you set a time limit to come to a deal with the other party and they find out.

They should just work on negotiating the service first and pick the day to actually announce/launch it later.
 
Exactly.

$60 - Internet only
$70 - Internet + 100 cable channels

Or something like that...

The argument has always been "I'm paying for channels I don't watch" so you'd think by getting fewer channels or NO channels that your bill would be lower.

Well... the cable company is gonna get their money somehow. They will raise the price of internet until it matches what you used to pay for internet + TV

So you're kinda stuck.

The only winning move is not to play... :D
 
Had the same issue w/ Verizon. I dropped the phone service, kept the Internet. Was also paying $ 125 a month for Directv. Verizon internet price kept increasing every year until I was paying $ 70 a month. Total $ 195. Earlier this year picked up Time Warner Cable which offered TV sports package I wanted(including Dodgers), Internet, and a phone line I never use. $157 a month. I concur that the companies are aware that people want to pull the plug and only want Internet. They control it so they can demand the price.
 
Unless Apple has a plan to offer a subscription that gives you every television show (current and back library) on iTunes for a low monthly fee (say about $20 a month) without commercials, I'm not interested. The days of watching live appointment TV with commercials are long dead for me. Cut the cord years ago. Currently have 200/20 internet only for $35 a month - with TWC. Zero extra fees since I have my own modem. Yup - you just gotta twist their nipple until it hurts, but you can get them to give you a cheap plan if you are persistent. All they are is a dumb pipe to me. Subscriptions with on demand content and no commercials is the only thing I ever watch anymore. In my mind channels no longer even exist. There are simply the shows I want to watch, when I want to watch and on whatever device I want to watch.
 
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One of the 'similar threads' for this post is one called 'Apple Television Set not expected until 2015 or later, but A7 Apple TV could come in 2014'. Sigh.
 
Be careful,what you ask for. A la carte pricing will be extr,sly cost prohibitive. See HBO Now: $15 a month. Show time is $15 a month. There's $30 on two channels

Not surprised actually. Given the recent devaluation of media companies stock in general if were Apple I'd wait also. These guys will soon be begging Apple for terms.

How lame can content companies be in that Apple could simply strike their own deals with producers and F the distributors. The distributors some how "think" consumers care what "brand" makes what.

Earth to VIACOM, FOX, UNIVERSAL, COMCAST, DISNEY -- there's a whole generation and one behind that who can give a s*** about your brands. You delaying a la carte sales of your programming will cost you handsomely as people continue to turn to other resources for content.

But by all means keep waiting!
 
Hahaha if you think that there will ever be all of iTunes TV content commercial free for $20 a month, you're going to b waiting forever. See: H O Now at $15 per month.


Unless Apple has a plan to offer a subscription that gives you every television show (current and back library) on iTunes for a low monthly fee (say about $20 a month) without commercials, I'm not interested. The days of watching live appointment TV with commercials are long dead for me. Cut the cord years ago. Currently have 200/20 internet only for $35 a month - with TWC. Zero extra fees since I have my own modem. Yup - you just gotta twist their nipple until it hurts, but you can get them to give you a cheap plan if you are persistent. All they are is a dumb pipe to me. Subscriptions with on demand content and no commercials is the only thing I ever watch anymore. In my mind channels no longer even exist. There are simply the shows I want to watch, when I want to watch and on whatever device I want to watch.
 
Personally I wish they had put all the resources that they put into the Apple Watch into the Apple TV (and whatever associated things like subscription service, gaming, etc.) instead. The watch is neat and all, but I'll get a lot more use out of the Apple TV.
 
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