Their are tons of posts on the iMac Pro Apple discussion forums. This is not a small issue and now it’s moved on to the next T2 machine, the 2018 MBP.
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Apple Looking Into Limited Reports of T2-Related Kernel Panics on New MacBook Pro and iMac Pro
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These Apple standards that Macrumors said Samsung's new tough screens must adhere to should maybe be applied to Apple's inhouse components first.
And people seriously want to trust Apple with the actual CPU to replace Intel?!
This is a bit concerning considering the T2 chip does compulsory* SSD encryption (filevault now just sets a password, it does not actually enable or disable the encryption). So, if the T2 chip fails your only option is to restore from your latest backup. Which, on the basis that laptops are designed to take with you when you're out and about, might be quite a while ago.
* I believe. Is there any way to turn it off?
* I believe. Is there any way to turn it off?
“Everyone” does not equal five people on a forum.
Also, there is a log off button if the forums are making you sick. That’s a bad way to be in over some Internet comments.
Please provide evidence for this assertion
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A tiny number of people having an issue is indeed commonplace.... in literally everything any human doesAgreed. Do you think it’s related to the propriety nature of Apple’s chips, or other issues?
It would've been utterly perfect were it not for Linda Hamilton's completely pointless voice-over narration.
I wait for the MacBook with the T800.
This chip will do more than only controlling the image signal processor, audio, SSD and Touch ID.
It will be a killer and sell like hot cakes
See you in 2816 (T2 + 798 Years = T800)
This chip will do more than only controlling the image signal processor, audio, SSD and Touch ID.
It will be a killer and sell like hot cakes
See you in 2816 (T2 + 798 Years = T800)
Wow. Just Wow. I was a few clicks away from buying a souped up 2018 15" MBP, along with the LG 5K screen. It would have cost me a boatload. Now with this baloney I'm not parting with my hard-earned cash so fast. In fact, it's making me wonder if I want to invest in Apple hardware any more. These machines are not cheap, they are expected to just work, and if I have to deal with constant kernel panics on an MBP, this becomes a non-starter.
I really hope Apple gets their act together and fixes this soon, or there is no way I'm upgrading.
I really hope Apple gets their act together and fixes this soon, or there is no way I'm upgrading.
Express this sentiment directly to Apple through any and all available channels including https://www.apple.com/feedback/ it helps all of us.
I agree 100%. It's really frustrating how many people report severe problems in Apple's own discussion forums without any reaction/solution from Apple. All the problem reports there and on Twitter kept me from purchasing the iMac Pro because the last thing I need is an unstable desktop system.
I just did. Thanks for that link.
Perhaps if Apple is going to use Intel CPUs, they ought to stick with Intel Chipsets to control and connect the rest of the machine, because, like, it works.
Apple needs to take a step back and devote some more resources to the Mac hardware line.
Apple needs to take a step back and devote some more resources to the Mac hardware line.
I was going to trade my 2017 13" nTB in on a 2018 15" but now I'm thinking about waiting for next year.
Sure would be nice to know when Cannon Lake 10nm will be ready.
Personal experience, 5 base iMPs - one personal, 4 in the office - received around 5/10 with 10.13.3 installed. The first two, one in the office and the personal unit each had a "odd" disk image (inspected, contained nothing of note, since deleted). Each of the two iMPs experienced KPs on Day 1 with pretty much no SW installed and only Apple HW attached. I held off on starting up the other 3 iMPs.
I did not see anything related to the KPs in Console that stood out. The KPs occurred only during the setup of the iMPs with the original OS (10.13.3).
My fix - which stuck - was installing macOS via Recovery Mode and applying the Combo Updater for the x.4 SW update. Zero issues with any of the iMPs since with HS. There's one new 2018 15 inch rMPB in one of my offices, followed suit with Recovery Mode and applying the Combo update, also zero issues...
Mojave is installed only on my personal iMP, zero issues except for some drivers for 3rd-party HW not working but this is to be expected.
I did not see anything related to the KPs in Console that stood out. The KPs occurred only during the setup of the iMPs with the original OS (10.13.3).
My fix - which stuck - was installing macOS via Recovery Mode and applying the Combo Updater for the x.4 SW update. Zero issues with any of the iMPs since with HS. There's one new 2018 15 inch rMPB in one of my offices, followed suit with Recovery Mode and applying the Combo update, also zero issues...
Mojave is installed only on my personal iMP, zero issues except for some drivers for 3rd-party HW not working but this is to be expected.
So, it could be a handful of users, but judging from this and other threads on other sites, it's enough to keep my $3500+ in my pocket. I've been waiting for months for the new 2018s to arrive, and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend this now if this is a problem.
Developing things like the T2 and TouchBar is Apple devoting resources to the Mac hardware line.
Apple could just get rid of the entire Mac Hardware Group and hire Intel to design a basic reference system and then have Pegatron shove it in the same chassis they use for Dells and HPs. They'd save a mint in R&D and the already high margins would be even higher. But then would that still be a "Mac"?
You call it “devoting resources,” I call it misallocating them.
At this point that sounds like a fantastic idea.
This is inaccurate. The T2 itself runs BridgeOS as an embedded operating system.
While I agree that problems with the T2 are worrisome as it is a critical chip, a T2 failure is practically no worse than the failure of a typical SSD controller in terms of losing data.
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Where to start...
Single point of failure for important I/O tasks, inability to extract data from a MBP who's logic board has failed (unconfirmed but highly likely based on Apple Support documents and the 2018 MBP's lack of diagnostic port), non standardness.
I get why Apple is doing this but they really want to reinvent the wheel and are accepting very little criticism about how they're doing it.
As highlighted by Digital Trends and VentureBeat, a small number of users have turned to the Apple Support Communities to report incidents of kernel panicking on the new MacBook Pro, possibly linked to Apple's T2 chip. The issue has also been highlighted by some of our own readers in the MacRumors forums.
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Many of the crash logs shared by users mention bridgeOS, which is the device firmware on the logic board that controls many functions, including the T2, fueling speculation that the chip is the root cause of the problem.
Similar reports of kernel panicking began last year with the iMac Pro, which is also equipped with the T2, so this does seem to be a potential issue with the chip, or the bridgeOS firmware that manages it, rather than an entirely new MacBook Pro controversy like the since-fixed excessive throttling.
Apple's custom T2 chip integrates several previously separate components, including the system management controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller. It also features a Secure Enclave coprocessor for secure boot, encrypted storage, and authenticating Touch ID.
Apple support representatives appear to have provided a wide variety of solutions, ranging from disabling FileVault to turning off Power Nap, but none of the advice customers received suggests there is a permanent fix.
MacRumors reached out to Apple, which told us that this is not a widespread issue, nor one that it has received any direct reports about. Nevertheless, Apple said it has relevant teams looking into the matter and, unsurprisingly, is always aiming to improve the stability and reliability of its products.
In general, Apple recommends that customers update their MacBook Pros with the macOS High Sierra Supplemental Update released earlier this week, which contains reliability and stability improvements, including a bug fix that addresses excessive thermal throttling with the latest MacBook Pro models.
According to at least one user, the Supplemental Update has not resolved the kernel panicking. Hopefully, whatever is causing the issue can be identified and promptly fixed in a future software update.
Article Link: Apple Looking Into Limited Reports of T2-Related Kernel Panics on New MacBook Pro and iMac Pro
Its not only T2 i have the same problem on my macbook pro 2017 as well. So pls incl T1 in your report as well.
On balance I agree with this, but it seems that there is no way to export data if the logic board fails, regardless of whether the T2 was the culprit.
