I would sincerely love it if someone, anyone had even the tiniest insight into what is going on with this company that I once so loved...?
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Apple Looking Into Limited Reports of T2-Related Kernel Panics on New MacBook Pro and iMac Pro
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I guess now that throttle gate is over people need to find something else to moan about.
If someone is unable to use his machine because of constant kernel panics, we are to take this as “moaning?”
Unless it's a widespread problem then it doesn't need to be the latest drama. There are always defects that effects small number of users with any product, from any company. No device or product is 100% perfect. It's about when it crosses the line between a small number of users to widespread.
What a stupid comment when people’s brand new MBPs are rendered basically useless, as is the case with mine. Read the entire thread for context before inserting your foot in your mouth.
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Yes. Supposedly it has been forwarded on to engineering. We all know how that goes.
I'm sorry about your machine and I would advise you to take it back but i think we need to wait and see how wide spread the issue is first.
Apparently you still missed the part I wrote that states Apple did something to these new machines that you cannot do a clean OS install after wiping your HD. It ends up in a loop. I’d call that a showstopper.
I would say this goes way beyond "moaning" and a small number of users:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-bridge-os-error.2128976/page-2#post-26291413
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/26/apple-looking-into-t2-kernel-panic-reports/
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pple-t2-chips-bridge-os-problems-kernel-panic
https://venturebeat.com/2018/07/25/apple-t2-chip-blamed-for-2018-macbook-pro-and-imac-pro-crashes/
https://www.cultofmac.com/565355/apple-t2-chip-might-crash-imac-pro-macbook-pro/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2018/07/t2-chip-mac-computers-causing-problems/
https://discussions.apple.com/message/33682672?ac_cid=tw123456#33682672
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8464031
https://discussions.apple.com/message/33681179?ac_cid=tw123456#33681179
StudioSanctum and many others (including myself) are just trying to get their brand new and very expensive computers to work properly. I'd say that's reasonable.
Thanks for these links. I will definitely be looking at them. I'm actually thinking of getting a new mac to supplement my ageing MBA and was trying to decide between the 2017 and 2018 13 inch MBP. The 2017 is out because of the keyboard issues but I'll have to look into this issue before I commit to purchasing the 2018 model.
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At what point will you admit that the problem is "wide spread"? It's all over youtube, it's all over the forums, it's word of mouth with friends. When does it become "wide spread"? When you say so?
The new macs have only been out a few weeks so I’d wait until they have been out longer to make any judgment. However as someone who is in the market for a new MBP I will be researching this issue more before I decide on whether I make a purchase.
While what you say is true, it's important to understand that it's incredibly difficult to recover data directly from an SSD's NAND if the controller fails (and the T2 is the SSD controller, amongst other things). Even on the 2016/2017 MBP, if the (non-T2) SSD controller failed then data would be practically irrecoverable, recovery port or not.
The encryption key stored in the T2 seems to be factory programmed, allowing encryption of data written to the SSD to be achieved transparently - even to the operating system. This is why target disk mode seems to still work, for example. In some ways, you could think of this in terms of how SSD's handle write-levelling. Only the SSD controller knows where data blocks are actually located within the NAND chips, but reconstructing data is handled on-the-fly during a read operation without the operating system being aware. If, in this scenario, the SSD is not encrypted and the controller chip fails then it will be possible to recover unencrypted data fragments from the NAND with appropriate tools, but piecing it together again will be incredibly difficult.
Basically, the T2 handling encryption in the way it does is not an issue as long as it is reliable. It's also not like the T2 is the first controller to do this. Self-encrypting SSD's (OPAL spec) have been available for years on the PC side.
I've only had one kernel panic, but I'm not well versed with reading crash reports. How would I even decipher if the T2 was the cause?
Mine crashed after I returned from sleep and was in the midst of scrolling down a web page. It happened a few days ago and hasn't happened since.
Mine crashed after I returned from sleep and was in the midst of scrolling down a web page. It happened a few days ago and hasn't happened since.
Moaning? When people buy a +$2000 machine, there’s a certain level of expectation that it should be problem free.
People have a right to “moan” about it.
[doublepost=1532678413][/doublepost]Does Apple even test their macbooks and iMacs before putting them on the market anymore? You would think these issues would come up through testing.
**** you have got to be kidding me! That is generally the first thing I do with any new machine is install a fresh OS. On a Mac I will usually boot it out of box, make sure all the components register correct with the system profiler and then proceed with the fresh install.
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Misallocation of priorities IMO. What makes a Mac? Some argued here that the switch to Intel was going to make it not a Mac anymore, remember!? I wasn't on that ship BTW. Apple has been lacking on the hardware side (desktops) for some time IMO. So is my hackintosh a Mac? It boots and is usable? The T1 and T2 are just attempts to make it harder for the hackintosh community; which really only exists because Apple is too stubborn to make affordable tower that would allow CPU and GPU swaps.
I highly doubt Apple did this out of concern for heat (and we don't have any sources to show that something like the T2 produces less heat than the chips it replaces - it's probably comparable though). Rather, Apple is in the business of controlling as much of the hardware they sell as possible - so replacing chips previously sourced from other manufacturers is part of their model.
Really? Can you share an example?
The pre-T2 TouchBar Macs can be cloned and re-imaged using Deploy Studio with no issues. If Apple truly has made it impossible to do this then there are going to be a lot of pissed off people doing mass imaging of computers.
I’ll bite: what are ANY reasons to despise the T2 chip?
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The industry as a whole has been moving away from imaging for years. In both Windows and the Mac worlds the MO is to deploy the standard vendor OS installation and autopilot/MDM it.
That may be fine for the general corporate world; but that doesn't cut it for what we do.
Well if the T2 chip does indeed prevent the end user from installing the OS from scratch, I would assume that is a non-starter for a very large group of users.
If the T2 chip prevents easy recovery from a machine that has been damaged, see above.
Hmmmm. I just got my 13 inch and confirms that clean install is no go. That is not too good... What the hell is going on there!!
Months ago I got a Mac Pro 1,1 for free, threw an SSD and some hard drives inside, installed Snow Leopard Server, then set it running right off.
Just minutes ago I remote desktop into it to check the uptime: 198 days 20 hours. 1st install, not even rebooting once, staying up for 200 days and counting, on a 2nd hand 12 year old Mac.
