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Tax evasion is illegal. What Apple did was tax avoidance, which is legal. They owe Ireland nothing.
^Dude's right.

As much as I think Apple and others need to seriously get to pay their fair share of taxes over here and elsewhere, it's not Apple who's to blame.
Well, maybe partially, yes, but mainly it's our pandering politicians who give these companies the ability to run away with it legally.

Come to think of it, why don't we all do it?
Mom and pops should do it, too!
Create a shell company to hold the assets legally and suddenly governments will see how all this works out.

Heck, we should all do it. Just work as contractors to our employers, who hire one's shell companies to do the work, employees: 1. Me.

Glassed Silver:mac

PS: Please don't take my post too literally. I like to exaggerate to get my point across sometimes. Also I love being a cynical *******.
 
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Next target will be Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Mediatek, TI, Nvidia, Samsung. Nobody can make multicore processor without the patent, if it's allowed. It shouldn't be a patent.
University of Wisconsin will soon have more money than the entire Ivy League together. But of course not a dime will be used for free education.
 
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[QUOTE=" Can'w wait to go out and buy more AAPL shares in the morning - it is trading $11 above where it was 3 years ago - ZOWIE !!!!!

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How mis-informed can you get. The "Price" may have been $11 three years ago but it has split many, many, times.
 
This guy just can't help himself. Every time. Ignores the hundreds of posts crushing Apple for EVRYTHING under the sun and his selective amnesia leads to this. Picking a random thread/post to suit his completely misguided narrative that people defend Apple at all costs. Despite them raising prices, bricking older devices due to "planned obsolescence," and forcing people to buy the newest model of everything and the dozens of other posts ripping Apple a new one.

God he must live for this. And defending big cable, he loves that, too. Ugh.

He must be retired in Hobe Sound for being as out of touch as he is on a myriad of topics. One great consistency we can definitely count on.
Not a big fan of the personal attacks, but I agree that he is one of several people on MacRumors that does nothing but complain about Apple.

I always wonder why those people keep buying Apple products. If a company's products distress you so much that you just can't stop complaining about them, why keep buying them? I mean, I have zero desire to even consider purchasing any of the products that Apple released today. Instead of ranting and whining about them and extrapolating my personal dislikes into massive "omg Apple is so greedy Steve would have never" conspiracies... I'm just going to not buy them.

To be clear, that has nothing to do with the lawsuit mentioned in this thread. I won't even pretend to understand what's going on here, as I'm not going to read through the legal documents. Maybe Apple deserves it, maybe they don't... not going to try and pass judgment on this one.
 
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WARF is a paytent troll because they are not doing business. Apple isn't because they are doing business. Is it clear?
So Apple should be able to steal their intellectual property just because the University didn't create a physical product from their research (funded by public and Universities own money)??
 
Surprise surprise. Wisconsin jury finding favorably for Univ of Wisconsin. :eek:
I would've been more surprised if they didn't.
 
Let's assume that Apple sold 16GB iPhone 6s's only putting them at $650 each, and let's assume that it took $450 to make and sell you ($236 component cost and add on 70% markup for big-box retail and an extra $45-ish). At this rate, from Apple's 13 million sold on launch weekend, they would be looking at 13000000*(650-450)=$2,600,000,000. After all that, Apple would walk away with $1,738,000,000 from launch weekend.

If you consider that larger tiers only cost them ~$6 more to make, their profits will still be higher than my relatively conservative estimates. (also consider that they do their own retail for a lot of it, so not all of that 70% retail will evaporate into thin air like it would for Wall-Mart sellers)

It's a blow, but it wouldn't be enough to make Apple change course. With the cash Apple has lying around, they could just buy the university. :p
 
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Oh gosh, a thread rapidly devolving into a downward spiral of sheer idiocay and rhetoric; WHAT an unusual occurance!

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Aren't institutions of higher education meant to do research to propogate information in a free society? Universities aren't businesses
They didn't used to be. But now many of them are. You can see it in how faculty are viewed (as nothing more than hired hands, not colleagues) and in the priorities that the administrators have (anything for a buck). It's pretty sad. Apple is the biggest industry in the U.S. The university is probably just doing to Apple what other patent trolls are doing and is hoping to come out of it slightly richer.
 
It should be interesting. Could be really bad.

It's been an issue for a while. Universities use public money to fund research which then gets packed away where it won't see the light of day and isn't allowed to benefit anyone. It's even worse when they do it with a big company like Pfizer. University takes public money and does research with private company. Private company gets the rights to the drug and charges astronomical fees to people that need it to save their life.

UW wasn't doing anything with this patent and used public dollars to create it. The knowledge should be shared with anyone looking to utilize it. Why give these institutions money to research things then sit on them and be patent trolls.


There'd have to be proof this was public money for starters. This could have been private funding. Alumni contributions, direct student payment, etc. While not privy to the internals to this case...if apple tried to use this argument, it failed. Or, they deemed it a lost cause to pursue.

Its also a patent holders' right to sit on the patent. They may lack the resources or abilities to take to production. But the core idea is theirs. This patent is not vague....its broken down by circuit and interactions between them.

Want an analogy, this is how real estate can work. See lot of land for sale. Buy it. Hopefully for a cheap price and if lucky later on down the road its value jumps. It can sit for years, gather weeds. then one day someone offers you say 4X what you paid for it. Patents can be the same way. Have a good idea, can't get the bank to sign on of the billion dollar loan to start up a production facility (a processor facility is not buying the that small shop on main street kind of deal), patent it and wait for someone to come by who can trade off some money for it.

Since this reached a verdict and looking over the patent I can gather apple did not even deviate from this recipe in the patent. That is what nailed apple it seems. Maybe next time they could reverse engineer better and redesign based on that. What most do to at least get these hearings to reach reasonable doubt.

Barring that and unless court documents show otherwise I would predict prosecution showed Barney style (as jury not tech savvy we can assume, hell some I hate C(variants) new wave developers hate mucking about in memory...and assembly language is something never learned, assembly gets real deep into memory for those not familiar with it) in a debug tool/memory reader Apple's tech following this item by item. Or so close to push the believability of coincidence.
 
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That's a lot of cheddar

:D

sure is...

....and i don't even like cheese. Seems even the iPhone 6s Plus is taking heat too, and they have a good start on the iPad Pro, not even hitting the shelves yet....

Go WARF.. !!
 
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University of Wisconsin and Wisconsin jury. Nah, I don't smell a rat.

Have you also been saying that whenever Apple wins in a California court, while losing similar patent cases almost everywhere else in the world?

I had no idea a University would stoop to the level of patent troll. Way to set an example for students.
WARF is a paytent troll because they are not doing business. Apple isn't because they are doing business. Is it clear?

On the contrary, the university came up with the ideas they patented.

The common definition of a patent troll, is an entity that buys patents they did not invent themselves, and then goes after anyone they can find who infringes those purchased patents.

For example, Apple helped create one of the worst patent trolls around (Rockstar), using the leftover patents from their Nortel patent purchase.

Completely different as Apple actually makes something with their patents vs this university that is a patent troll who makes nothing.

See comment about Rockstar above. Apple has also sued Samsung over patents Apple does not use themselves.

I'm confused, how would the university have made $862 million, if Apple hadn't used that patent? Isn't that what the amount is based on, as in the Samsung and Apple Lawsuit?

No, the base award is defined in USPTO law 35 U.S.C. § 284:

"Upon finding for the claimant the court shall award the claimant damages adequate to compensate for the infringement but in no event less than a reasonable royalty for the use made of the invention by the infringer, together with interest and costs as fixed by the court.

When the damages are not found by a jury, the court shall assess them. In either event the court may increase the damages up to three times the amount found or assessed. ..."

Btw, royalties start from when the infringer was either directly informed or should have known about the infringement. Continuing to willfully infringe can trigger the triple award clause. OTOH, a valid defense to willfulness is if an outside observer might believe that the patent was invalid. That's how Samsung avoided a willfulness award to Apple -- the judge determined that the validity could be questioned. (Contrary to popular belief, it had nothing to do with what Samsung thought. It's only about what the judge thinks.)
 
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Careful now.. Scott Walker may take that money away from UW as he did with education cuts and turn them into bigger sports arena for the Brewers and Packers..

BL.

You must be familiar with the graph that shows spending on public education increasing at obscene levels while performance falls, correct?
 
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they'll just end up spending all their money on iphones and imacs anyway. all will make it's way back to apple
 
So is Apple the only company using branch prediction in their CPU's?

It specifically talks about running multiple processes in parallel... so maybe not just ordinary branch prediction, but branch prediction that also factors in which thread is running it?
 
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