Apple Loses A7/A8 Patent Lawsuit, Could Owe University of Wisconsin Up to $862 Million

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Anyone questioning the validity of a University doing this, should take a look deep inside their own devices to see exactly how much technology inside their iOS device is licensed from other sources including universities.

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Inside that wall of text you can find these, and many, many more examples. Universities, and some colleges have had a huge role in creating many of the features / software we enjoy.

HiRISE Images: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona.

Carnegie Mellon University ( Mach Operating System )
Copyright © 1991 Carnegie Mellon University. All rights reserved.

Copyright 1996 Chih-Hao Tsai @ Beckman Institute, University of Illinois

Karlsruhe University
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The construction, validity and performance of this licence is governed by the laws in force in New South Wales, Australia.
University of New South Wales

 

[mwd25]

You are not quite right with your definition of a patent trolls. Trolls tend to buy up patents for the sole reason of litigation. I would never accuse a group that applied for, and successfully received, a patent as a patent troll. They have at least created something new.

For universities, lots of research and general funding comes out of patents ... it is not surprising at all for Wisconsin to fight for money if they feel they have been infringed. Public dollars and tuition don't go as far as they used to and the "innovation" train driving STEM research is based not only on student success but also increase of University money and prestige.

Yes, I have to agree with you. There is nothing worse then these companies that create nothing, just buy up patents, never create the product and just wait until something similar comes along and then sues. When we over use this term patent troll, it cheapens the legitimate outrageous cases where its really going on. Having said that, some people on the site are making the point that UW came up with the theory of this chip, had it patented, and then just sat on it for almost twenty years. If this is true, I have to ask the question, how long should you be able to do that? Are you ever under obligation to actually create said chip? Should there be a time limit that if you have done nothing with said patent it then becomes invalid or needs to be reapplied for? Im not sure I agree with the idea that you can just sit on that patent forever, never creating it. Does that not stifle said innovation people are claiming is the reason UW should win this case?

 

[koruki]

WARF, meet Samsung. Samsung, meet WARF. Samsung will be paying our bill, you two can swap bank details right?

cheers

 

[lazard]

University of Wisconsin will soon have more money than the entire Ivy League together. But of course not a dime will be used for free education.

umm...Just Harvard alone has a $36B endowment. $862M is peanuts for the Ivy League.

 

[mwd25]

This guy just can't help himself. Every time. Ignores the hundreds of posts crushing Apple for EVRYTHING under the sun and his selective amnesia leads to this. Picking a random thread/post to suit his completely misguided narrative that people defend Apple at all costs. Despite them raising prices, bricking older devices due to "planned obsolescence," and forcing people to buy the newest model of everything and the dozens of other posts ripping Apple a new one.

God he must live for this. And defending big cable, he loves that, too. Ugh.

He must be retired in Hobe Sound for being as out of touch as he is on a myriad of topics. One great consistency we can definitely count on.

You mean the Hobe Sound with a grand total population of about 11,000? Yeah,I would say retired or working at the local bible college.

 

[leroypants]

WARF is a paytent troll because they are not doing business. Apple isn't because they are doing business. Is it clear?

WARF invented and patented something which Apple stole. It is clear?

 

[apolloa]

hahaha makes me laugh when I think the main patent they sued Samsung for has been void, yet when the tables are turned they attempt to claim a competitors patent is void.

Patents are patents and everyone else can use and abuse the system just the same as Apple abuses and uses it.

 

[leroypants]

Surprise surprise. Wisconsin jury finding favorably for Univ of Wisconsin.
I would've been more surprised if they didn't.

Just like how an American court system found a Korean company guilty....

 

[sw1tcher]

So is Apple the only company using branch prediction in their CPU's?

University of Wisconsin and Wisconsin jury. Nah, I don't smell a rat.
They should be going after every modern processor if this is the case.

Next target will be Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Mediatek, TI, Nvidia, Samsung. Nobody can make multicore processor without the patent, if it's allowed. It shouldn't be a patent.

Sounds like a standard used by many chipmakers, so this patent should be thrown out.

Other companies that make processors are licensing WARF's patents. WARF sued Intel for patent infringement in 2008 because Intel didn't license WARF's patent in 2001 for the Core 2 Duo processors. They eventually settled out of court. Intel now licenses WARF's patents, which is what Apple should have done.

See:
- http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557536/intel-settles-university-wisconsin
- http://www.cnet.com/news/wisconsin-madison-sues-intel-for-patent-infringement/


This behavior of taking and using patents that don't belong to you isn't new to Apple. They've done it for years. Look at how Apple's freely using Ericsson's wireless patents without paying for them because they're too much.

See:
- https://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/27/apple-ericsson-patent-lawsuit/
- http://www.cnet.com/news/ericsson-amps-up-apple-battle-with-europe-lawsuits/

 

[kds1]

Is this why the new iMacs are so ******?

 

[apolloa]

Don't videos all go up to the cloud anyway? Not saying you're wrong but people are freaking out about Live Photos and 4K video and there are settings to optimize photo and video storage.

Not in the real world no they don't, maybe on your world they do? Photos yes, but 4K video? You would only upload that over WiFi and even then you would need a big online storage deal to save lots of 4K video.

Just like how an American court system found a Korean company guilty....

Or how a California court found favour with Apple against Samsung..

 

[doboy]

Just like how an American court system found a Korean company guilty....

Yes, presided by a Korean American judge.

 

[apolloa]

Yes, presided by a Korean American judge.

Who seems to be the only one that handles Apple patent cases usually? Seriously she seems to always be involved, I'm surprised she didn't do this case.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

I never get excited about these kinds of lawsuits until they have gone through at least one appeal, or hit one federal court.

So many state courts, for lack of a better word, have their heads up their butts, and the courts in Wisconsin have been 'disturbed' by Scott Walker enough so that they probably shouldn't be trusted.

But politics aside, I'd wait until an appeal, or two, and see what happens...

 

[apolloa]

I wish someone owed me $862 million.

Too much money, I think 20 million is a nicer number? Nearly a billion and you start to come up with crazy ideas like mining on Mars or putting the human conscious into robots to live forever, which are what real billionaires are doing cause they are bored and so rich!

 

[Fenez]

If other companies are paying to use the patent then one would assume that it's a legitimate gripe on their part...

 

[Rafagon]

Well Apple is trying to save as much money as possible by shipping devices that shoot 4K video with 12GB of usable storage. They'll need to pay for this somehow. It's not like they have hundreds of billions or anything. I'm only half joking.

12 GB???? Not even that. My 16 GB iPhone 6s Plus only had 9.9 GB on day one!

 

[Zirel]

I'll toast to that.

Me too!

 

[JCrz]

No, not at all. No one is asking you to read the patent in question, but at least do society a favor by reading the short article at hand...

I was referring to how Apple tried to sue for competitors making devices with rounded corners. Funny that you didn't know that and went on the attack.

"Do society a favor" and catch up with the news before your ignorance makes you look like a fool again.

 

[TT D'arby]

No, not at all. No one is asking you to read the patent in question, but at least do society a favor by reading the short article at hand...

hahhahahaha....duuuuuh........you didn't know about this????????

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/10/usitc_issues_mixed_ruling_in_apple_samsung_case/

only person here who got mad because he doesn't read the news....lol

 

[Benjamin Frost]

I think you mean that you wish someone owed YOU $862 Million.

On another note, I bet the students aren't even going to see a tuition drop with all this money.

I meant what I said.

There's a saying:

If you owe the bank $10,000, you're in trouble. If you owe the bank $10 billion, they're in trouble.

 

[Razeus]

Apple made billions from the theft. It's cheaper to pay them and call it a business expense.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

This thread is painful to read.

If you're reading on an iOS device, you can adjust settings under Accessibility. For the Mac, I recommend f.lux.

Hope that helps.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

What goes around comes around.

Except the Apple Watch. That comes a-rectangular.

 

[cylack]

Patents and Copyrights are all bs inventions of western society. If I’m China or India I just tell the US “we don’t recognize the concept of patents and copyrights” and just copy all the expensive drugs, software, whatever.