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Apple Loses Appeal on UK Ruling Requiring Ads Acknowledging Samsung Did Not Infringe iPad Design

rei101 said:
For sure they have learned a lesson, they have lost millions and millions. Or at least I hope they have learned something from this.
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What have they lost? Millions of what? Where are you this figure. From the air?

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Bernardus88 said:
Well it seems it is how it works. I suppose a judge who sat through detailed examinations of both sides evidence, having served many years as a lawyer and eventually appointed to be a judge just might have a better grasp of the situation than you.
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The OP doesn't understand this ruling. First of all - Apple didn't initiate the suit. Samsung filed against Apple because right after the UK court dismissed the case and found Samsung to not be in violation, Apple still presented Samsung as having copied them. Samsung believed that since they had been found innocent, that this was detrimental. The courts agreed that Apple (for lack of better phrase) shot off their mouth - something which, if you were the judge(s) on the case would most likely be offended by. Apple disagreed with the courts "punishment" and filed an appeal. This latest news is that they lost the appeal.

This ruling is completely tangential and not really germane to the original case
 
pensoftware said:
"The Samsumg Galaxy Tab's original design is not as cool as ours. Ours is magical."
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Actually why are you knocking it? To some people the Galaxy is a great product. The OS is way more flexible, cost is more affordable, and the device does everything and more than any iOS product. Samsung and Google with the win.

Stop being such a narrow minded tech snob.
 
anthonyp01 said:
Some common sense at last. About time we had a non biased judge. I love my ipad and my nexus 7 and my samsung smart phone. There is room for all of them.
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I agree, competition is great. Apple need to spend their time making better software thats more relighable running on the 2012 half-assed unfinished hardware they released. If they spent more time focussed on OSX working with their flaky retina display instead of fighting petty legal battles, my laptop might work better.
 
KnightWRX said:
The original lawsuit was filed by Samsung, pre-emptively asking the court to rule before Apple could file their own lawsuit and ask for a preliminary injunction as they were doing in the rest of the EU at the time.
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Really? My mistake then.
 
Since I'm having issues quoting the once who quoted me I'll just put it here

READING and COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL!!! Reread my initial post and see if what I posted can sink it. Convenient rationalization is extremely funny.

HYPERBOLE, SWEEPING GENERALIZATION?!

POT MEET KETTLE.

Foxy
 
Foxykhat said:
Since I'm having issues quoting the once who quoted me I'll just put it here

READING and COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL!!! Reread my initial post and see if what I posted can sink it. Convenient rationalization is extremely funny.

HYPERBOLE, SWEEPING GENERALIZATION?!

POT MEET KETTLE.

Foxy
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You're funny. Misguided - but funny.
 
Jonathan Ives must be happy to see that his homeland is not protecting his design against blatant copy ... :rolleyes:
 
coffeemadmanUK said:
We do drive on the left.

We are an island nation, and driving on the left has a historical function to it - likely back when we rode horses and you needed a sword in your right hand to defend (ride on the right hand side and you would use your left hand which, for the larger population would provide difficulty).

Fast forward and people around the world drive on the right, for various reasons. Nothing wrong with it, but we don't need to change our cars or roads since, as I said, we're an island nation and have no real need to do so.

I find the comment a little childish, sort of a last-ditch attempt at getting your own way.

I would also add that I have never had a warm beer here either. I noticed no difference in the coldness of beer in the US when I lived there either. It's a very outdated idea and bears no relevance to the topic at hand.

I am very fond of the US, but frankly it's comments like that that cause me to sigh.
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Wow! I was joking. I found the previous poster a little on the defensive side saying in effect "How dare you say I drink warm beer". "I've never had a warm beer in my life and none of my friends have either." So I asked "what about driving on the left side of the street" as a joke. Sorry... you blokes on the "Island Nation" are a little touchy I guess. By the way...I've had plenty of warm beer in my time, and I don't live on an "Island Nation". Have a nice day. :rolleyes:
 
Mr.damien said:
Jonathan Ives must be happy to see that his homeland is not protecting his design against blatant copy ... :rolleyes:
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It's not a blatant copy, the ruling says so.

And in the US, you'd be happy to know the equivalent Design Patent, D889, also didn't wasn't found to have been infringed by Samsung. So Apple's mother land also ruled that the Galaxy Tab product line wasn't a blatant copy.

Maybe you guys all imagined it ?
 
SimonTheSoundMa said:
They can sell at whatever they want and set an RRP. The demand is there to sell at these prices.

Weeks before the original iPad's announcement, everyone was expecting the price to be $999, not $499.

http://live.gdgt.com/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/#07-19-48-pm
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I know, but they'd have greater market share if they sold them as cheap as possible. Android beats iOS in terms of world market share by a huge margin.

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KnightWRX said:
What good is taking over a market if you're not going to be making any money out of it ? Dumping is not a sustainable business practice. Once you dominate the segment, you can't just jack up prices.
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I think you could raise prices once you dominate. People aren't very likely to leave a platform if it has 90% market share. If a new OS and computer came out that ran an OS that's superior to Mac OS and had much cheaper hardware, I'd still stick with a Mac if that superior computer only has a tiny market share.
 
faroZ06 said:
I think you could raise prices once you dominate. People aren't very likely to leave a platform if it has 90% market share. If a new OS and computer came out that ran an OS that's superior to Mac OS and had much cheaper hardware, I'd still stick with a Mac if that superior computer only has a tiny market share.
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That would alienate your user base most likely and would open up the segment back to competition to undercut you. You're suggesting a race to the bottom, something Apple doesn't win at playing.

But I'm wasting my time trying to explain this.
 
faroZ06 said:
I think you could raise prices once you dominate. People aren't very likely to leave a platform if it has 90% market share. If a new OS and computer came out that ran an OS that's superior to Mac OS and had much cheaper hardware, I'd still stick with a Mac if that superior computer only has a tiny market share.
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Only (some) Apple supporters would ever "tolerate" something being cheap and then having their prices raised on them vs the other way around.

Costs/Prices go down - or remain level. They don't go up (typically) unless there's significant specs to warrant it.
 
Nightarchaon said:
This is because here in the UK we are intelligent enough to realise that you shouldn't be able to patent a SHAPE !!!
What apple should be made to say is "We are sorry to Samsung and the world in general for trying to patent the un-patent-able so that we could prevent others from competing in the market freely"
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It wasn't about the shape.

Unless APPLE appeals, and subsequently wins that appeal, they WILL comply with the court's order; there's NO doubt in my mind about that. Anything less would be bad PR for APPLE. However, the only thing that REALLY matters is the court of Public Opinion, where I believe APPLE has scored a resounding victory. Feel free to disagree.
 
macs4nw said:
However, the only thing that REALLY matters is the court of Public Opinion, where I believe APPLE has scored a resounding victory. Feel free to disagree.
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I disagree.

IMHO, most people question whether a rectangle can be patented.

And, many of them are offended by Apple's litigious actions.

The court of public opinion is important, I agree, but Apple is turning people off with their armies of lawyers.
 
AidenShaw said:
I disagree.
IMHO, most people question whether a rectangle can be patented.

And, many of them are offended by Apple's litigious actions.
The court of public opinion is important, I agree, but Apple is turning people off with their armies of lawyers.
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APPLE wasn't trying to patent a rectangle, and to be fair, many tech companies are suing to protect their IP: http://blumenthals.com/blog/2010/10...fographic-revisted-isnt-patent-law-wonderful/ Granted, this is a bit dated , but many of these lawsuits are still ongoing.
As to your last points, when was the last time we heard anything about MINERVA or KLAUSNER suing HTC?

It's just that APPLE, because of it's prominence, is getting more attention in the news media. I agree that "armies of lawyers" is a turn-off for most people, but what choice do they really have?
 
macs4nw said:
I agree that "armies of lawyers" is a turn-off for most people, but what choice do they really have?
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Apple could choose to ignore suing over rectangles, and only fight truly damaging infringements.

And much of what Apple is currently fighting are items with clear prior art or items that are simply obvious.
 
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