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What's frustrating is that the article in question is just stating what the markert share is, so can I ask why the need of so many on here to get thier panties in a twist?
This scenario has been played out a hundred times, and the outcome has, and always will be the same.

People try to frame Apple's smaller marker share as evidence that they are somehow losing the smartphone wars, and each and every time, time proves them to be dead wrong.

You want to discuss about market share where Apple is concerned? Either bring in profits as well, or don't discuss at all, because any focus on market share on a vacuum is going to be utterly meaningless.

I'm sorry but some of the worst trolls are actually the most loyal and vocal fans on here, every news topic must be twisted to be pro apple. Happens with every story, and they are the first ones to cry vistim when android trolls post here, that my good sir is the definition of hypocrisy . Calling out others other things you do.
If these people want me to believe that they know why Apple will fail, then they need to at least first demonstrate that they understand why Apple grew, and how Apple grew to become so large and so successful.

Until the day comes that they acknowledge this, you will have to forgive me if I continue to treat anything they say with complete and utter skepticism.

I suggest you look at history and what happened last time apple was in this situation of being profitable while not having markert share, also when Steve left. I base by assumptions on history repeating iteself. Already apple prices are going up and up..... have a read of appLe history .

For others apple's 5 th in China in regards to markert share. Simple as that. Yes they are still making a huge amount.

The Apple of today is completely unlike the Apple of yesteryear.

Like i said, Apple has the market share. More than enough to remain insanely profitable and to sustain its own thriving ecosystem.
 
This scenario has been played out a hundred times, and the outcome has, and always will be the same.

People try to frame Apple's smaller marker share as evidence that they are somehow losing the smartphone wars, and each and every time, time proves them to be dead wrong.

You want to discuss about market share where Apple is concerned? Either bring in profits as well, or don't discuss at all, because any focus on market share on a vacuum is going to be utterly meaningless.


If these people want me to believe that they know why Apple will fail, then they need to at least first demonstrate that they understand why Apple grew, and how Apple grew to become so large and so successful.

Until the day comes that they acknowledge this, you will have to forgive me if I continue to treat anything they say with complete and utter skepticism.



The Apple of today is completely unlike the Apple of yesteryear.

Like i said, Apple has the market share. More than enough to remain insanely profitable and to sustain its own thriving ecosystem.

See there you go, your last teply sums it all all up, Blinkers on. Though apple was already in a similar situation in the past....

If you would like to debate something meaningful , feel free to pick up on the iPad Pro thread you stopped replying once I pointed out the issues with the KB.

On this thread you can keep reciting the same over and over ....yes apple has money, we get it .....
 
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See there you go, your last teply sums it all all up, Blinkers on. Though apple was already in a similar situation in the past....

If you would like to debate something meaningful , feel free to pick up on the iPad Pro thread you stopped replying once I pointed out the issues with the KB.

On this thread you can keep reciting the same over and over ....yes apple has money, we get it .....
Apple has the money because they make great products. Something many critics here seem to be having difficulty acknowledging and accepting.

I stopped replying to that iPad thread because there was nothing to reply to. You had an issue with the virtual keyboard, I got the answer to a genuine, curious question I had, end of story.

I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you then, I am not trying to pick a fight with you now.
 
Same applies for iPhone. I doubt Trump would use only an iPhone for all his twitter campaign.
He will use a device that could not even be seen by others in USA for all critical communications.

You could look up Apple site for more info, such as http://www.apple.com/cn , and http://www.apple.com/jp . They still list iPhone 6s series and iPhone 7 series price. Both in China and in Japan, Apple store price is very similar to retail price in some local stores.

Thank you. It hadn't occurred to me that I could make out the pricing on the Chinese Apple site, but I was able to.
 
From everything that was said in Apple's Q1 conference call, the issue is with Hong Kong not Mainland China - at least, since the iPhone 7 was released. Mac revenues were up double digit percentage (over Q1 last year) in Mainland China, the same for iPad units. Total revenue from Mainland China was flat YoY even with currency headwinds, up about 6% on a constant currency basis. And my guess would be that channel change differences largely offset the effect of the extra week. Mr. Cook said that 50% of iPhone sales in China went to switchers or first-time buyers, so Apple continues to expand its installed base there at a decent rate. With the recent super cycles in iPhone sales in China and the relative high cost of iPhones there, I wouldn't expect there to be a huge cycle of upgraders yet - maybe the 8 will bring that.

So the question is, why would Apple sales be struggling in Hong Kong (at least when it comes to YoY compares) when they aren't really struggling in Mainland China - or, at least, when they aren't struggling nearly as much there? If anyone has a theory, I'd be glad to hear it.
 
Sure, moreso than the competition.
The only thing impressive about the iPhone is the CPU. Iris scanners,best displays,wireless charging, optical fingerprint sensor, elimination of bezels. Thats impressive. Can you list what it is about the iPhone that is impressive?I dont find any BMW or Mercedes impressive either. Tesla and Google's self driving cars are impressive
 
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As far as I know People in China rather buy Chinese products.
That right. Tons of them goes to Japan, Korea to buy Chinese products because they deemed that the Japan/Korea government has better quality check than their own country.
Or they'll even buy Chinese products that have been exported first and brought back into the country by an importer because a lot of them trust those products to be a higher quality. A friend of mine was telling me that whenever he took business trips to China, his associates there always had a list of things they wanted him to bring. The list puzzled him because he saw the same items available in Chinese stores.

"Why don't you just buy these locally?" he asked them.

Their reply was that the local version was crap. Even with what appeared to be the same product, the companies would often export the higher grade versions and sell a lower end version locally.
 
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The only thing impressive about the iPhone is the CPU. Iris scanners,best displays,wireless charging, optical fingerprint sensor, elimination of bezels. Thats impressive. Can you list what it is about the iPhone that is impressive?I dont find any BMW or Mercedes impressive either. Tesla and Google's self driving cars are impressive
I guess I don't find that list impressive as the CPU and associated hardware drives the phone. Other then dual lens, best DAC, tru tone front-flash, taptic home button, 3dt, 4k ois video, raise to wake, safari based apple pay...now that's impressive.

Now what production phone has an iris scanner that doesn't catch on fire? (I hate zingers, but you know there is no production phone with an iris scanner at this point, Samsung bungled the engineering of that phone and with that lose left the most accurate display to the iphone 7.).

As far as Teslas self driving (and crashing cars) I'll be impressed when POTUS gets in one.
 
I guess I don't find that list impressive as the CPU and associated hardware drives the phone. Other then dual lens, best DAC, tru tone front-flash, taptic home button, 3dt, 4k ois video, raise to wake, safari based apple pay...now that's impressive.
Taptic home button.Present on Android
4k OIS video. Available on Android
Raise to wake. $150 Moto G has it but my $800 iPhone 6 doesnt
Dual lens. Okay
Samsung Pay destroys Apple Pay in coverage.
Best DAC. No match for Nexus 6P
Tru Tone front flash. Android phones have literally put an LED flash on the front

Now what production phone has an iris scanner that doesn't catch on fire? (I hate zingers, but you know there is no production phone with an iris scanner at this point, Samsung bungled the engineering of that phone and with that lose left the most accurate display to the iphone 7.).

Microsoft Lumia 950. And the iPhone 7 failed to win the best display on the planet award

As far as Teslas self driving (and crashing cars) I'll be impressed when POTUS gets in one.
As I said every new technology has bugs which will get fixed. At least Elon Musk is trying to be the Steve Jobs of the industry unlike a certain someone.In a similar vein, foldable displays, QuantumDot, MicroLED are the self driving cars of the amrtphone industry

For all your talk of iOS security, the POTUS uses a Galaxy S3 from 2012. Need I say more?
 
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Taptic home button.Present on Android
4k OIS video. Available on Android
Raise to wake. $150 Moto G has it
Dual lens. Okay
Samsung Pay destroys Apple Pay in coverage.
Best DAC. No match for Nexus 6P
Tru Tone front flash. Android phones have literally put an LED flash on the front



Microsoft Lumia 950. And the iPhone 7 failed to win the best display on the planet award


For all your talk of security, the POTUS uses a Galaxy S3. Need I say more?
1. name the phone
2. name the phone
6. name the phone (they needed a flash, because apple had a patent for using the screen)

So basically moving goal posts. The original list was from a Note 7, which was incorrectly engineered and had a propensity to burst into flames. Now you are picking and choosing features from many different models. That's some sound reasoning there.

POTUS also uses an iphone; need I say more? But is that why the UK just dumped Samsung?
 
1. name the phone
Moto G,Lumia 820 all have tapitc feedback on onscreen buttons.

2. name the phone
S7 Edge

6. name the phone (they needed a flash, because apple had a patent for using the screen)
Xperia XA Ultra

And no. Apple doesnt have a patent on the screen flash as the S7 Edge uses the screen too


So basically moving goal posts. The original list was from a Note 7, which was incorrectly engineered and had a propensity to burst into flames. Now you are picking and choosing features from many different models. That's some sound reasoning there.
Samsung ripped off the feature from Microsoft. You asked me what production model had an iris scanner which doesnt burst into flames but since you insist on an Android phone.Here

http://webcusp.com/list-of-all-eye-scanner-iris-retina-recognition-smartphones/

POTUS also uses an iphone; need I say more?

His primary device is an Galaxy. He has more tweets from Galaxies than iPhones. And the fact that he uses a S3 puts all hyperbole regarding Android security to bed

But is that why the UK just dumped Samsung?
Never heard of this
 
Clearly whining will change reality *sarcasm*

So you live in an alternate world where apple is perfect. Newsflash, they are not. Grownups tend to base these things on reality, not blind brand fanboyism. Right now I own all apple products. Iphone, ipad, mac, apple tv. I am not a brand pom pom waver though. Don't give a rats backside if you can accept or not, brand names mean nothing.

Which reality?

The "reality" made up by Apple haters? Fake news?
 
Apple has the money because they make great products. Something many critics here seem to be having difficulty acknowledging and accepting.

I stopped replying to that iPad thread because there was nothing to reply to. You had an issue with the virtual keyboard, I got the answer to a genuine, curious question I had, end of story.

I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you then, I am not trying to pick a fight with you now.

Understood . Have a good day :)
 
Moto G,Lumia 820 all have tapitc feedback on onscreen buttons.

So basically, multiple phones to make up the hardware in one phone. Got it.:rolleyes:

Edge lost in 4k video to iphone 7.


Xperia XA Ultra

And no. Apple doesnt have a patent on the screen flash as the S7 Edge uses the screen too
So again multiple phones.

Samsung ripped off the feature from Microsoft. You asked me what production model had an iris scanner which doesnt burst into flames but since you insist on an Android phone.Here

http://webcusp.com/list-of-all-eye-scanner-iris-retina-recognition-smartphones/
So again, all over the place with various models.


His primary device is an Galaxy. He has more tweets from Galaxies than iPhones. And the fact that he uses a S3 puts all hyperbole regarding Android security to bed
http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/presidential-gadgets-what-technology-does-obama-use/

Never heard of this
Maybe it wasn't UK, but one country did. It was a MacRumors headliner.

So basically, to get all of that hardware I mentioned, you have to get an iphone. Which continues to support the same features in it's flagship models, model after model.
 
Clearly whining will change reality *sarcasm*

So you live in an alternate world where apple is perfect. Newsflash, they are not. Grownups tend to base these things on reality, not blind brand fanboyism. Right now I own all apple products. Iphone, ipad, mac, apple tv. I am not a brand pom pom waver though. Don't give a rats backside if you can accept or not, brand names mean nothing.

Same . I've got more apple products that these apologists will ever own , though I base my opinions on having owned so many products and what is happening in the rest of the industry. The loudest ones tend to own an iPhone and many another one or two products. I've got most generations of apple products , from an iPod shuffle to a Mac Pro. Post Steve before and now , the products are lacking .
 
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Same . I've got more apple products that these apologists will ever own , though I base my opinions on having owned so many products and what is happening in the rest of the industry. The loudest ones tend to own an iPhone and many another one or two products. I've got most generations of apple products , from an iPod shuffle to a Mac Pro. Post Steve before and now , the products are lacking .
Apple isn't perfect, no company is, but in my own opinion, it's far from the "bottom" as some of these posts make it out to be, although your opinion, is your opinion.
 
IOS is the only phone OS I'd trust to do my banking, and that's a major reason for buying a smartphone. For example, Google's business model (mining your data to monetize it) guarantees that Android will never be secure enough to use for checking my balance, let alone making payments of any kind.

Either you're using an SSL web page to access banking, or you're using an app which will also use encrypted data.

In neither case does Google have access to the data being exchanged.

You're right. There is nothing to argue: Google's business is about selling your information, and Apple's is about selling hardware and software.

Google doesn't sell anyone's info. They sell anonymous ad slots, just like Apple does with iAds.

Apple has even sold Google access to its customers since the first iPhone, by taking billions in the default search position fee, and in search ad kickbacks from Google. There's no difference between making money directly from ads, or making it indirectly.

Without Google's free-to-all Android software, and cloud-services, the competition would be lost, unable to compete. Google has made it possible for the competition to dedicate themselves to hardware, relying on Google to provide soft "intelligence".

As anyone who has ported an OS knows, you don't have to design the hardware yourself in order to come up with useful optimizations.

All the major Android makers keep R&D teams who customize and optimize Android for their specific hardware designs.

As for Apple, their internal secrecy has historically often kept its software and hardware teams from talking to each other. Or in the case of the first iPhone, from even seeing each other's work in progress. (I think they're getting better at this under Cook.)

Apple's products tend to be more expensive than the competition. By definition, they should be selling in way fewer quantities, and make up for it in the form of higher margins.

High priced phones DO sell in way fewer quantities than all others, unless the phone's total cost is hidden by subsidies or some other way is found to lower the upfront cost.

The overwhelming majority of iPhone buyers are not paying full price upfront. That's why everyone from kids to moms have one. As we know from historical analysis, in places without subsidies iPhone share barely breaks double digits. For example, iPhones didn't sell in Japan until they became "free" with a contract. Then they jumped in popularity. And Japan buyers are considered wealthy and technically astute.

Market share is important, but it is not the be all and end all of what makes a great product. 14% may not sound like a huge figure on paper, but it is still a very large number of iPhones sold in an absolute sense. More than enough to sustain its own thriving ecosystem.

Yes, that's true.
 
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So basically, multiple phones to make up the hardware in one phone. Got it.:rolleyes:
Each of those phones individually has taptic feedback


Edge lost in 4k video to iphone 7.
Proof?


So again multiple phones.
S7 Edge has Apple's version of the flash. Sony's flash is better than both


So again, all over the place with various models.
Nope all of them individually have iris scanners


[QUOTE[://www.zdnet.com/pictures/presidential-gadgets-what-technology-does-obama-use/[/QUOTE]
Thats old news. This is the current news

http://bgr.com/2017/01/26/donald-trumps-android-phone/


Maybe it wasn't UK, but one country did. It was a MacRumors headliner.

So basically, to get all of that hardware I mentioned, you have to get an iphone. Which continues to support the same features in it's flagship models, model after model.

Just the Note 7 and the ban got revoked later
 
Each of those phones individually has taptic feedback
But none of the phones have all of the hardware mentioned. So if you want it all, it's in an iphone.




S7 Edge has Apple's version of the flash. Sony's flash is better than both
Proof? And apple had it first....

Nope all of them individually have iris scanners
But none of them have all of the hardware I listed.


It's still news; period.

Just the Note 7 and the ban got revoked later
Nope, dumped android and went iphone. I think the army dumped it. I'll look through Macrumors headlines.

However, my point still stands.
 
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But still it's a hefty valuation over time.

It is real money, to be sure. But Google has a market cap of $578 billion right now. It needs profit of tens of billions a year to justify that. Considering the effort they probably put into Android OS I'm not sure if we can call this return material. But two, three or four billion in profit every year, is nothing to sneeze at. And it might be Google's best revenue source after Ads. But it is way way way behind ads on search and YouTube.
 
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