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Sneers and jeers come from those of us who are literally sick in the mind to devote so much time to people who don't even know you exist. Your existence must be eating your soul. :D
 
Doesn't sound like they're producing shows about themselves. It's just topics that they're interested in, which could be a fairly broad range of things.

I really couldn't care less what they are doing. I have zero interest in any ex-President, or politician for that matter, having a show. They could be hosting the "People Love Puppies!" show... and it would make me want to retch.
 
So you didn’t see the text messages between Strzok and Paige? Also, I said corruption, not broad corruption. Way to subtly try to change the goalposts there.

So if two people behaving in an unbecoming way is indicative of the corruption in an entire team, how do you feel about the many convictions of Trump's campaign/admin staffers? Is that also indicative of corruption throughout Trump's campaign and administration?

I mean, if that's the standard you're going to use, to judge an entire investigation team on the basis of the behavior of a couple people, you no doubt should apply it to all groups and organizations of similar size. Does that not apply to Trump too?
 
So if two people behaving in an unbecoming way is indicative of the corruption in an entire team, how do you feel about the many convictions of Trump's campaign/admin staffers? Is that also indicative of corruption throughout Trump's campaign and administration?

I mean, if that's the standard you're going to use, to judge an entire investigation team on the basis of the behavior of a couple people, you no doubt should apply it to all groups and organizations of similar size. Does that not apply to Trump too?

You clearly didn’t read all the texts. I don’t give two ***** about their affair. I care about their texts that indicate they knew there was no Russia trump collusion but that they applied for fisa warrants anyway, knowing that the info they were telling a judge had been verified, had I never fact not been and was instead just a bunch of rumors bought by the candidates opposition. Lying to judge so you and your pals can setup servailiance and try to entrap someone is just not how our justice system is supposed to operate.

Also, of fkucing course it applies to Trump too. I have said repeatedly on numerous political threads here that we should not accept this behavior from anyone regardless of political party. The “it’s my team so I don’t care that they did all this shady, corrupt, or unethical **** because I hate some other guy” mentality everyone on here seems stuck in is disturbing. My bottom line is the US successes (economic, social, and otherwise) owe a tremendous amount of credit to our laws. I expect those laws to be upheld and I expect anyone bending the rules or engaging in illegal behavior to be held accountable. Until we can all start holding our preferred officials and sides accountable, nothing will change. The shouting match of blaming one side for something and refusing to acknowledge it on both sides is so stupid.
 
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You do know Obama is mixed race right? 50% black 50% white.
not that i get your point, but, yes, i do. what in my post would lead you to believe otherwise? his father, an african, was born in kenya (as i indicated); and his mother, an anglo-white woman, was born in kansas.
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Not even worth replying to that dribble

Anyone with half a brain knows trump wasn’t referring to white supremacists when he said soMe good people were there, but people who took fundamental issue with ugly history being erased as is now a constant precedent that didn’t exist under the previous administration and has only
Become a top issue with this new administration

This president loves black and Jewish people. I haven’t heard any racist black and anti Semitic remarks ever from him.

And that could easily be a paid protestor. Literally one swa sticka flag. Dude sucks regardless if he’s paid or a fringe Nazi but...

Also screw Richard spencer’s j-crew of Nazi boys. I completely disavow. But also look at how much media hopped All over it and covered that crap wall to wall... But turn a blind eye to daily antifa violence. And BLM violence. It’s awfully suspicious!


Oh and This guy is an incompetent white supremacist:
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

https://www.momentmag.com/opinion-anti-semite-chief/
 
I care about their texts that indicate they knew there was no Russia trump collusion but that they applied for fisa warrants anyway, knowing that the info they were telling a judge had been corroborated, had I never fact not been and was instead just a bunch of rumors bought by the candidates opposition.

There are no such texts.
 
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There are no such texts.
"You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I'd be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there's no big there there." -Peter Strzok May 2017 regarding the investigation into Trump Russia collusion. Assuming the texts that leaked are in fact the correspondence of these two people (which no one at all has tried to deny) then yes. Yes he did. Sorry you refuse to admit this has happened. Why is it so hard for you to admit these people may have done some illegal things? There is sufficient evidence to suggest at the very least it is possible, yet you refuse to admit it because you won't say anything bad about anyone who is against Trump because you hate him so much. You're just a liberal sheep if thats true.
 
You clearly didn’t read all the texts. I don’t give two ***** about their affair. I care about their texts that indicate they knew there was no Russia trump collusion but that they applied for fisa warrants anyway, knowing that the info they were telling a judge had been verified, had I never fact not been and was instead just a bunch of rumors bought by the candidates opposition. Lying to judge so you and your pals can setup servailiance and try to entrap someone is just not how our justice system is supposed to operate.

Also, of fkucing course it applies to Trump too. I have said repeatedly on numerous political threads here that we should not accept this behavior from anyone regardless of political party. The “it’s my team so I don’t care that they did all this shady, corrupt, or unethical **** because I hate some other guy” mentality everyone on here seems stuck in is disturbing. My bottom line is the US successes (economic, social, and otherwise) owe a tremendous amount of credit to our laws. I expect those laws to be upheld and I expect anyone bending the rules or engaging in illegal behavior to be held accountable. Until we can all start holding our preferred officials and sides accountable, nothing will change. The shouting match of blaming one side for something and refusing to acknowledge it on both sides is so stupid.

There are no texts that state there was no collusion/conspiracy with Russians.
There are plenty of derogatory texts.
Some show a preference for Hillary, but others show a disdain for Hillary.
I read what has been released.

Those individuals didn't apply for the FISA warrants.
The FISA warrants were granted because some of those individuals were contacting Russians.
Some individuals got caught up in the whole mess because Russians were being looked at.

DJTJ tried to get illegally obtain information on Hillary from the Russians.
Yes, illegally. If it was hacked, that was illegal. Receiving the information is also a crime.

So you stand behind a full an thorough investigation to find out if #45 and his people had additional contact with Russians?
 
So you stand behind a full an thorough investigation to find out if #45 and his people had additional contact with Russians?

Yep. Never said I didn't. I expect it to be investigated and if something illegal was done it should be prosecuted. So far however, the only criminal charges made have absolutely nothing to do with collusion with Russia or Trump (which is what Mueller is supposed to be investigating). Also, Trump Jr. isn't being charged with collusion despite the evidence he met with a Russian so no, I am fairly sure it was not illegal. Just like I said Hillary getting info from the Russians on Trump was not illegal.
 
"You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I'd be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there's no big there there." -Peter Strzok May 2017 regarding the investigation into Trump Russia collusion. Assuming the texts that leaked are in fact the correspondence of these two people (which no one at all has tried to deny) then yes. Yes he did. Sorry you refuse to admit this has happened. Why is it so hard for you to admit these people may have done some illegal things? There is sufficient evidence to suggest at the very least it is possible, yet you refuse to admit it because you won't say anything bad about anyone who is against Trump because you hate him so much. You're just a liberal sheep if thats true.

What exactly did they do that was illegal?

And the quoted text, that he had “concerns” that there was no “there there” when considering joint the Mueller team came only two days after Mueller was appointed and before he joined the investigation. That is hardly a text stating that he knew there was no collusion.
 
The name calling is childish I agree but what's more troubling is that you and/or your fellow liberals don't appear to have an issue with her possibly lying about her heritage to further herself... I thought you all were very anti that sort of thing...
Unless she's part of a tribe, she won't be getting benefits. Plenty of people outside tribes have Native American heritage. They don't get a full ride or get voted into local office because of their 1/8th heritage.
 
Yep. Never said I didn't. I expect it to be investigated and if something illegal was done it should be prosecuted. So far however, the only criminal charges made have absolutely nothing to do with collusion with Russia or Trump (which is what Mueller is supposed to be investigating). Also, Trump Jr. isn't being charged with collusion despite the evidence he met with a Russian so no, I am fairly sure it was not illegal. Just like I said Hillary getting info from the Russians on Trump was not illegal.

Getting information is not necessarily illegal.
Getting information from Wikileaks and other organizations that would have had to illegally obtain that information would be.

you are correct that the majority of charges and guilty please are ancillary to the collusion. Collusion is not a legal term, conspiracy is. But, we need to let the investigation finish. DJTJ isn't being charged, yet. We don't know if/when. They're still some 18 sealed possible indictments from Mueller. We know that DJTJ was at least willing to involve himself in illegal behavior. We know for a fact that he is guilty of at least one felony of illegal access of a computer system. in his emails he admits to using an administrative userid and password provided to him for an anti-Trump website.

We have people that didn't register as foreign agents.
We have people lying to the FBI.
We have people like Flynn, and based on his rank, technically can never register as a foreign agent.
We now have Cohen's business partner agreeing to a deal. He had $5 million in tax evasion sitting over his head. He'll do no jail time for his cooperation. So he has something.
We have Cohen peddling influence with Novartis and AT&T, by their own admissions. We have corporate head rolling.

No we don't have a direct link to Trump conspiring with the Russians, but every time someone gets investigated, some contact with Russians comes up.

There has never been this much crap, ever, with any other administration. Even Nixon wasn't this bad.
 
Few comments :
1. Libertarian+Green Party candidates are usually on the ballot too. They don't get much media attention, but the same applies to smaller parties in the Netherlands.

Meh, it has to do with money. You don’t need millions to get attention from the
media. It’s out of proportion in the VS.

2. In the Netherlands, because of coalitions, you're even less sure what you're actually voting for.

You’ll get nuances, meaning the extremist don’t get the upper hand from either side. Something America politics are in desperate need for. Instead of compromises you get a distorted ‘we versus them’ and visa versa tribalism. And did that help? That's a rethorical question for the records.

3. In the Netherlands, the most important decisions are taken by the ever expanding bureacracy in Brussels.

It brought more wealth to the poor for millions. Have you ever seen the gap differences between the poor and the wealthy ones in the VS compared to that of Europe?

And despite the fact that the EU operates slow, with indeed lots of bureaucracy, it did provided
wealth to millions of people instead of the just 1% in the society of America.

And still it’s way more democratic the American system. With enough signatures people can adress issues, issues that the parlement of the EU needs to take into consideration. In America literally nothing changes despite millions of American voters are stating that new gun laws should be taken seriously.
I rather prefer democratic bureaucracy over politicians that are been taken hostage by lawyers, lobbyists and companies any time.

It's only slightly more democratic than Hong Kong.

Slightly times a lot. Also way more freedom of speech and news compared with both America and Hong Kong (Chinese) see https://rsf.org/en/ranking
 
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