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Not sure that is going to be true. I voted for and like Obama....but his time has come and gone and the VERY LAST thing I want to see on Netflix is political BS. There is a enough all over the place. I think it will ultimately cost Netflix more than it gets in return.


 
And then the survivors of those camps suffered the further indignity of being raped and abused by the Russian army. And now Trumpers are pro-Russia. It's hilarious how far astray they've come since their beloved Reagan.
....Are you omitting the second half of his presidency on purpose?
 
Obama was the most racist president in our history. Who encourages thugs to shoot cops? Who hires a painter that depicts the decapitation of white women to also paint his self-portrait? Who brings a Muslim kid who built a clock that looked like a bomb to the White House? Answer to all, Obama.

Who calls Nazis and White Supremacist "good people"?
Who's dad was part of the KKK?
Who was successfully sued for discrimination in New York housing?
#45. Just say'n.
 
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Did any of them have any non-black human beings as property? Everyone acts like black people are the only ones who have endured slavery, ever. Read a history book every once in awhile.

First of all, I'm aware. Secondly, don't tell me to go read a history book when you yourself aren't willing to do the research to answer your own question.
 
Before this thread turns into a partisan horror show, please note it is possible to be critical of Obama's presidency and also not be a Trump fan boy. While he certainly was a breath of fresh air compared to Bush W in terms of style, in reality nothing changed, the bombing and missile launches continued.

That is true, but when you start calling him racist, referring to him as stupid, calling him names, and referring to him in a derogatory way based on color; it's not about policy. I'm critical about some of his policies, but that is most definitely different than calling him names.
 
Keep telling that to yourself using the word modern-day. Tell me was there’s such thing as modern-day Nazi? Obviously party name is associated previous presidents who owns slaves. Besides it’s more relevant to my original reply if using the same logic.

I just have no idea what you're going on about. Most of the slave owning presidents were in the "Democrat-Republican" party, not the "Democratic" party as you asserted. The Democrat-Republican party later split into two parties, the Democratic party and the Whig Party (with Whig becoming the Republican party).

Your line of reasoning that Obama chooses to associate himself with a party that was what most slave owning presidents were is just wrong and makes no goddamn sense at all. You're trying way too hard to make some sort of impactful meaning from it, when it's nonsense.

There are plenty of actual things Obama did that are terrible. If you want to criticize him for something, pick one of those. You don't need to invent something that's not true and that would be meaningless even if it was true.
 
The two-party system is absolutely hilarious and terrifying at the same time. This whole good me vs bad them mentality is INSANE. Look at you, grown men and women acting like a bunch of kids.

Let me tell you a secret.
Obama was a crazy socialist who didn't even try to reduce your massive debt, spent money he didn't even have, and got thousands of people killed. Trump, being mentally stuck in the 16th century and thinking mercantilism is the hottest **** ever, is currently trying to start a full blown trade war, which is the only kind of war where everyone loses.

Your politicians suck. Hard. Your economy has been one step away from "Suck. Hard." for the last ten years or so.

Obama carried wars on the books as opposed to Bush who carried them off the books.
We all had one of the largest economic disasters in recent history created by policies of Bill Clinton and GW Bush.
Obama inherited a mess.
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A track record that has no evidence. One doesn’t have to be racist to think it possible Obama was not a natural born citizen. That is unless criticizing Obama equals racism. It doesn’t of course.

You have bought into the diatribe of some wing nuts.
He had to be a natural born citizen to be President.
TO think otherwise makes one ignorant at best, racist at worst.
The laws are clear on citizenship.
He was born in Hawaii.
Even if he wasn't, his mother was a U.S. citizen which by most definitions would make him a U.S. Citizen.
His father being Kenyan is of only of minor issue.

Donal Trump's parents were not U.S. Citizens; yet none accuse him of not being one.
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The Dossier was obtained legally. It could have been shady, but it was legal. And Trump will be the first to tell you that, just like he did Hillary; "If you don't like the laws, change them". (Referring to his being able to shadily - but legally (as far as we know) - skating on taxes.

And if that is collusion, surely you agree Drumpf Jr., Kushner and Manafort meeting with a self-proclaimed Russian informer who they believed had dirt on Hillary is collusion as well. That, I will cop to. However, the dossier was legally obtained. That is the key thing.

Not only that, the dossier was initially put together by anti-Trump republicans.
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This president loves black and Jewish people. I haven’t heard any racist black and anti Semitic remarks ever from him.

That is why Trump discriminated against black families in housing.
See the 1970's FBI report.
https://vault.fbi.gov/trump-management-company/Trump Management Company Part 01 of 08/view
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Did any of them have any non-black human beings as property? Everyone acts like black people are the only ones who have endured slavery, ever. Read a history book every once in awhile.

No but in America, black people were the only group specifically targeted by "The Black Codes" and "Jim Crow Laws".
That was Apartheid in America that lasted, OFFICIALLY, until 1968.
Black me in the the South were specifically targets up until WWII in vagrancy and unemployment laws.
Laws criminalized being poor, unemployed, changing jobs without authorization.
Black men were jailed and hit with unreasonable fines. Jailed because they could not pay the fines.
Finally leased out as workers to corporations.
It was modern day slavery, only named differently. The tactics specifically went after young black men.
Up until the 1940's some souther states got 15-20% of their state revenue from leasing black prisoners.

The Civil War ended slavery. It did not end the southern addiction to cheap labor.
Slavery ended and they found yet another way to enslave black men and keep cheap labor in the mines and factories.

SO you should read a history book on the re-enslavement of southern blacks in the late 19th and early 20th century.
 
Obama was the most racist president in our history. Who encourages thugs to shoot cops? Who hires a painter that depicts the decapitation of white women to also paint his self-portrait? Who brings a Muslim kid who built a clock that looked like a bomb to the White House? Answer to all, Obama.

So please remind me when did Obama own slaves? When did he refuse to hire people of other races for the White House jobs other than servant duties? When did he refer to majority-white countries as "sh**holes?"
 
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You have bought into the diatribe of some wing nuts.
He had to be a natural born citizen to be President.
TO think otherwise makes one ignorant at best, racist at worst.
The laws are clear on citizenship.
He was born in Hawaii.
Even if he wasn't, his mother was a U.S. citizen which by most definitions would make him a U.S. Citizen.
His father being Kenyan is of only of minor issue.

Donal Trump's parents were not U.S. Citizens; yet none accuse him of not being one.

I haven’t said my opinion about it. It was Obama himself that emphasized his non American background. Trump never emphasized his. You can’t blame people for having doubts when Obama himself opened the door.

It isn’t close to being racist. Had Obama emphasized his German roots, had he been German, many people might have doubted his legitimacy. In fact that as happened in politics when all the politicians were White. Racism seems to mean you can’t critize anyone who has Black blood.
 
Still hung up on the sh**hole comment?

Man you guys have infinite reserves of energy for feigning outrage and being petty

Love it!

So please remind me when did Obama own slaves? When did he refuse to hire people of other races for the White House jobs other than servant duties? When did he refer to majority-white countries as "sh**holes?"
 
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I haven’t said my opinion about it. It was Obama himself that emphasized his non American background. Trump never emphasized his. You can’t blame people for having doubts when Obama himself opened the door.

It isn’t close to being racist. Had Obama emphasized his German roots, had he been German, many people might have doubted his legitimacy. In fact that as happened in politics when all the politicians were White. Racism seems to mean you can’t critize anyone who has Black blood.

One of Obama and Trump lied about his family origins. [Spoiler: it wasn’t Obama.]
 
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I haven’t said my opinion about it. It was Obama himself that emphasized his non American background. Trump never emphasized his. You can’t blame people for having doubts when Obama himself opened the door.

It isn’t close to being racist. Had Obama emphasized his German roots, had he been German, many people might have doubted his legitimacy. In fact that as happened in politics when all the politicians were White. Racism seems to mean you can’t critize anyone who has Black blood.

Doubts about citizenship? Really?
When does anyone doubt the citizenship of an Irish-American, Italian-American, etc.?
Only if a black man, albeit with a white American mother, talks about Africa, do people doubt. Okay?
Once again, if you are critical of policies that is completely fine.
If you are critical, because he is black that is different. Motive and agenda in this case are everything.
I didn't agree with 100% of his policies, but I don't agree 100% with anyone.
What I didn't do was further the "Birther Lie" (Donald Trump and Arpaio).

People honestly think the FBI and CIA would let a foreign national be elected President?
They didn't think Obama was vetted by all the three letter organizations? Really?

Anyway, the responses on this thread show how far we haven't come with race relations in America.
Black people didn't create the race problem in America.
 
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8 years of Obama flapping his lips were enough for me so I'll pass on watching any episodes...
 
That is true, but when you start calling him racist, referring to him as stupid, calling him names, and referring to him in a derogatory way based on color; it's not about policy.
I'm pretty sure you're not referring to me, but I want to be clear that I've never made a racist comment about Obama. It's not about race, but about policy.
I honestly haven't heard anyone on this board refer to Obama in derogatory way based on color. Frankly I think the hardcore racists are a small minority of people that just adds noise to the debate.
I'm critical about some of his policies, but that is most definitely different than calling him names.
We need more of this, today more than ever.
 
Who calls Nazis and White Supremacist "good people"?
Who's dad was part of the KKK?
Who was successfully sued for discrimination in New York housing?
#45. Just say'n.

Let's not forgot his fav (well 2nd fav after himself) ex President seems to be Andrew Jackson
 
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Ah, so when he calls Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas, its just another one of his classic examples of projection. That makes sense.

The name calling is childish I agree but what's more troubling is that you and/or your fellow liberals don't appear to have an issue with her possibly lying about her heritage to further herself... I thought you all were very anti that sort of thing...
 
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The name calling is childish I agree but what's more troubling is that you and/or your fellow liberals don't appear to have an issue with her possibly lying about her heritage to further herself... I thought you all were very anti that sort of thing...

I am against lying. I don't know if she's telling the truth or not. I was told my great-great grandparents were German. I have pictures of them but have never done any research. I have always assumed that my great-grandmother told the truth, she was alive and those were her parents. I never had any reason to doubt it, but I also have no real way of proving it unless I called people in parts of the family I haven't seen in decades/probably don't even know their names, and ask them for any related information they may have.

If she's flat-out lying, yes, that's a problem, but hardly significant in the scheme of things. I don't think Trump lying about his ancestors being Swedish is a big deal either, but it does show his hypocrisy.

I don't see any views on this at all as "troubling". It's a really minute issue.
 
If you are critical, because he is black that is different

How do I know if I’m critical of him because he is Black? I mean normally my criticism is for the thing I’m critical of. I imagine other people are the same.

People honestly think the FBI and CIA would let a foreign national be elected President?
They didn't think Obama was vetted by all the three letter organizations? Really?

I don’t trust any area of government but I trust the FBI, CIA, NSA the least. They routinely ignore the law and are a law unit themselves.

Must...Defend...Nazis!!!!

Or the truth. There are plenty of truthful things that make the Nazis awful.
 
How do I know if I’m critical of him because he is Black? I mean normally my criticism is for the thing I’m critical of. I imagine other people are the same.

Wasn't specifically talking about you.
How do you know if you are critical because of race?
If you are being critical of a policy of action that a white guy could get away with.

But there are quite a few people that are critical because he is black. If you believe otherwise, you should take the blinders off.

I don’t trust any area of government but I trust the FBI, CIA, NSA the least. They routinely ignore the law and are a law unit themselves.

I don't explicitly trust them either.
Overthrow of Iran in the 1950's for Royal Dutch Petroleum
Overthrow of numbers South and Central American Governments for the United Fruit Company; hence the term "Banana Republic".
COINTELPRO and Martin Luther King, Black Panthers and others
MKUltra
And the list goes on.

I do trust them enough to think that they have enough of an agenda so a foreign national wouldn't be elected president.
A Russian sympathizer and traitorous family is different.


Or the truth. There are plenty of truthful things that make the Nazis awful.

Yes and throughout the last century the US government awful also.
We hid Nazis after the war. They weren't so bad to those in power running our State Dept and intelligence organizations; Alan Dulles and Foster Dulles.

Let us also remember that Hitler got his ideas on superior race from the US and the eugenics movement.
US doctors were conducting experiments on black citizens and those in jail.
 
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