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This seems to be a pattern with Apple, doesn’t it? They want to own or claim invention of a thing (even if it’s something they’ve merely acquired), but not spend money investing actual work into said things (whether bought or created at Apple).
Most tech in smartphones and dumb phones had the genesis somewhere else in the past. Apple didn’t invent the finger print reader, but they took that invention to a new level of innovation.
They want to convince customers to buy the same product again & again every year,
Many car customers buy the same car year after year with minor fascia changes. But we all know the phone and cars are not exactly the same and therefore it’s not the same product.
but they don’t seem to understand that this is a nonsensical/unsustainable ideology…
It may stop being sustainable in decades, true.
a mentality which most of capitalists today seems to be trapped within.
How would you see the system change?
So, Wall Street pathology, yet again…
Yes and there are trickle down benefits.
 
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I have tried them all and keep coming back to Google. I use Bing at work in my O365 Edge profile, since it searches work stuff in OneDrive/Sharepoint. I tried using DuckDuck for a year but countless times I had to turn to Google.

Same for Apple/Google maps. 3 times this year, Apple maps has let me down big time while out of town. Google maps is just better.
I only use Apple Maps for mapping. It works out. When I need to, I add things they’re missing, like the rail trail trailhead on my recent walk.

I use Duck Duck Go instead of Google, unless I need reverse image search (which Google has recently overcomplicated). I’ll occasionally turn to Google when looking for something really obscure that DDG fails to find.
 
One of SJ’s quotes, “we’re not interested in search”
Example of his focus and “saying no” to things so he can say “yes” to the things that matter.

He said that during a speech somewhere….
 
This! There is a clear lack of consistency when one searches in different Apple-developed apps. Using the same term results in different hits and order of hits.

It’s bizarre. Why not one search engine? Why does Search search notes in Contacts but not in passwords or Hide My Email? It’s hit and miss hodgepodge.

I think Apple needs a “Search Tsar”, someone with an overview and responsibility for getting search working uniformly and into every corner of search experience.
Apple needs a “Consistency Czar”. For many reasons. UI and app behavior especially. I’m REALLY resisting the urge to do a bulleted list right this moment.
 
Of course Apple is not doomed financially, you aren’t discovering anything here. But the Apple we knew that used to make great hardware and software doesn’t exist anymore.
I’ve been saying this for years and people just say I’m “a hater”. Nope; I’m a saddened lover.
 
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Apple still does. My 14 PM is an outstanding phone with an outstanding camera (I'm a photographer). My Studio Mac and Display are superb; especially for post processing photos.

As you believe Apple no longer makes great hardware/software, which Apple competitor will you be rewarding your currency with for phones/computers/tablets/watches? Name a few brands and models.
It’s not about “which brand is superior” anymore. It’s about which brand is the least bad (or which company is the least evil). Apple still “wins” that sad little contest.
 
Siri not listening when I say "Hey Siri" is the only part of Siri I don't have an issue with.
<rant> I have a HomePod ins reach bedroom of my house, and a set of HomeKit capable lights. They all have the name "Lights" and all rooms except my own, I can say "Turn on the lights in here" and Siri does it. But in my room, when I say "turn on the lights in here" she just responds "What room would you like to turn the lights on?" and lists all the rooms expect my room. :mad: I also found out that she does not like being cussed at and "doesn't respond to that language" </rant>
What’s left to do but swear at tech? We can’t generate better behavior by punishing it physically or by buying a “better” product; certainly not by sharing feedback with the mindless corporations selling the few (and non-distinctive) options thrust at us.
 
I like to compare Apple to American Express.

  1. Both used to be a prestigious brand that is prestigious no more. It used to be awesome having an iPad or an iPhone.. Now it's just another device that's barely different than their competitors. It also used to be an honor to have an American Express card in your wallet... Now even debit cards use the American Express network, and they hand their credit cards out out like candy now.
  2. Both now have too many end users to focus on a quality experience.

Apple needs to build quality, bug-free software. The amount of bugs is ridiculous - it's almost like they hire developers from EA or something. Build iOS from scratch if there's issues with the legacy code. A separate team can be hired to work on a fresh OS while the other team works on security fixes and other issues with the current software.

Apple also needs to focus on quality hardware. A brand new iPad being compatible only with the 1st generation Apple Pencil and requiring the use of an adapter is pathetic and laughable. It's almost like there's nobody at Apple who actually takes the time to think through what their hardware is supposed to do.

Now we have this privacy and search engine issue. Don't get into another sector when you can't even get everything right at the moment. Where's that Apple Car by the way?
Almost as if I wrote it. 👍🏽😅
 
so Apple is behind on the apple car> Don’t care
Apple is behind on AR/VR headset> Don’t care
Apple is behind on search> Don’t care
Apple is behind on <your favorite thing here> I’m perfectly fine with where things are
Apple is doomed> Not as long as Google/Android is the only competitor

👊😎👍
Yes. Though I care in as much as hating that Apple wastes resources on disworsification of their product lineup.
 
I agree with the first part of your post, but not sure why it's sad times for apple. I welcome an apple native search engine even if there are ads. Apple's success in search will depend on the quality of the results and the quality of the ads.
It’s sad times because of diworsification.
 
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I always love to see competitors to Google. Google's search results got worse when they started to make the personal and local. I liked the times when everybody good the same search result from the same search query.

As a website owner I hate the "mobile first" policy of Google. That means that Google will use a mobile user agent for its crawling and if some parts of your website are not visible in the mobile version, Google will not crawl them. That very much annoys me because if you have a website with huge tables, it really is a pain in the ... to transfer them to mobile. If the text is too small, Google will complain, but if the text is readable, not a lot of text fits on a mobile screen.

Google's market dominance made them very arrogant towards website owners. They dictate how a website has to look, because if they are not satisfied, they will give your website a lower rank. Fortunately my websites are not commercial and my income does not depend on how Google ranks them, but for many people Google's always changing ranking algorithms are really a problem.

Recently they introduced a "Show more" link at the bottom of the results page and I often clicked it because I thought it would be show more results to my query. Instead it shows you results for a "related" query which usually is not very related.
In other words, the cancer of advertising ruined a search tool by making it into an advertising product.
 
This seems to be a pattern with Apple, doesn’t it? They want to own or claim invention of a thing (even if it’s something they’ve merely acquired), but not spend money investing actual work into said things (whether bought or created at Apple). They want to convince customers to buy the same product again & again every year, but they don’t seem to understand that this is a nonsensical/unsustainable ideology… a mentality which most of capitalists today seems to be trapped within.
There are, literally, billions of people that have never touched an Apple device. Apple biggest goal has to be to convince folks that have NEVER bought an Apple product to buy one (because the market of “people that have never bought an Apple product” has a huge upside).

To consider that the Apple market is “just folks that have bought Apple products before” ignores that fact, and it would be nonsensical for them to ONLY try selling to folks that already have Apple devices… because, eventually everyone today that currently owns an Apple device, won’t be buying another one.
 
It’s not about “which brand is superior” anymore. It’s about which brand is the least bad (or which company is the least evil). Apple still “wins” that sad little contest.

Interesting. So you still reward a company with your currency that you believe is evil. That's something I would never do or be willing to compromise on.

There's still time for you to do the right thing. Just do it.
 
It’s not Apple that’s doomed. At least not in this context or immediately.

It’s the customers and the quality of products that are doomed.

That's the silliest thing I've heard here in a couple of days.

Apple products are not doomed as evidenced by their customer sales, the majority being repeat. Apple manufacturing 600,000+ iPhones per day, every day of the year (on the average), speaks volumes.

And though you might feel doomed personally as a user, try not to project your feelings on the hundreds of millions of other Apple users.
 
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I don’t see what’s the point when you are getting 15 billion a year from Google. Are they expecting to make more with their search engine? I am starting to think this is because they can’t come up with anything innovative so they are entering markets where they always accepted the competition.

Agreed. Before Apple starts chasing a search engine, it ought to invest in divesting from its China dependency and shoring up its supply chain for its current products. Perhaps invest in true innovation and quality rather than delivering half cooked deliverables and gimmicks merely to push higher revenue.

Search engine development isn’t to deliver a superior product that consumers want but a revenue stream with no value to customers.

Apple is like that lab rat on crack. Researchers are entertained and mazed at how it thrives wildly while pursuing more crack until one day they notice the rat’s tunnel vision for crack has been at the expense of balanced healthier choices … but it’s too late.

Jobs created two great things…a solid product that consumers wanted and in return created rock solid loyalty from them. Cook‘s tunnel vision has eroded both.
 
On the other hand Google had no problem to develop a smartphone. So Google attacked Apple on its territory. It makes sense for Apple to retaliate.
 
Apple still does. My 14 PM is an outstanding phone with an outstanding camera (I'm a photographer). My Studio Mac and Display are superb; especially for post processing photos.

As you believe Apple no longer makes great hardware/software, which Apple competitor will you be rewarding your currency with for phones/computers/tablets/watches? Name a few brands and models.
Apple still makes great hardware but the software is subpar. Android has surpassed them in every possible way except privacy which is why I use Apple. But even in privacy it seems Apple is going the google’s way with all the ad business they are pushing lately. So once privacy is gone there’s really no reason to use Apple.
 
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Agreed. Before Apple starts chasing a search engine, it ought to invest in divesting from its China dependency and shoring up its supply chain for its current products. Perhaps invest in true innovation and quality rather than delivering half cooked deliverables and gimmicks merely to push higher revenue.

Search engine development isn’t to deliver a superior product that consumers want but a revenue stream with no value to customers.

Apple is like that lab rat on crack. Researchers are entertained and mazed at how it thrives wildly while pursuing more crack until one day they notice the rat’s tunnel vision for crack has been at the expense of balanced healthier choices … but it’s too late.

Jobs created two great things…a solid product that consumers wanted and in return created rock solid loyalty from them. Cook‘s tunnel vision has eroded both.
I would definitely use an Apple search engine focusing on privacy.
 
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Apple still makes great hardware but the software is subpar. Android has surpassed them in every possible way except privacy which is why I use Apple. But even in privacy it seems Apple is going the google’s way with all the ad business they are pushing lately. So once privacy is gone there’s really no reason to use Apple.
Apple’s platform of “privacy” is dubious.

 
Apple’s platform of “privacy” is dubious.

I’m okay with this, as long as my data doesn’t go anywhere outside of apple. It’s not like apple doesn’t know what apps you downloaded.

In the App Store, for example, the fact that you’re looking at apps related to mental health, addiction, sexual orientation, and religion can reveal things that you might not want sent to corporate servers.

This is far better than google who will send you adverts related to mental health, if that’s what you searched for.
 
But even in privacy it seems Apple is going the google’s way with all the ad business they are pushing lately.
If all Apple’s ads are doing are showing an ad for a spreadsheet app because someone’s searching for spreadsheet apps, that’s fine. The ad being shown is not based on a detailed user history that has been built and maintained over weeks. It’s just a dumb “Oh, searching for pet apps? Some companies have paid me some money to show you these other pet apps you might like”.

Ads don’t and shouldn’t have anything to do with privacy. What methods companies use to SHOW those ads to people, that’s where privacy concerns come in.
 
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