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Apple lost its mojo with iOS lion?

jsep said:
With 2 fingers you're in the "natural" mode of scrolling, you're physically moving the page up and down or left to right. 3 fingers breaks you out of this and introduces a different mode where swiping left just jumps you to the previous page ... you're no longer physically manipulating the page ... or something ... apple rarely makes mistakes like this so I assume they had a logical (to them) reason to do it. I was confused at first though.
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Maybe all this mixing of existing gestures and new mobile metaphors has confused Apple just as much as it confuses the users who are supposed to use it.

There really is nothing "natural" about swiping in either direction. Unlike a touchscreen where your eyes and hands line up and make commands feel more tactile, the concept of manipulating mice or trackpads are LEARNED behavior.

Nowhere in real life do you have an object react one way when touching with your index finger (left click) and react another way because you used your middle finger (right click). And no physical book Flips a page because you touched a distant object in the right spot. This is stuff we adapt to and become muscle memory but they are in no way "natural".
 
Haters gonna hate..... I'm not saying anyone here is a hater, but seriously, there are people moaning all the time when the new version arrives. I've seen that happen for Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard, whether it's an issue with pricing or software glitch. Give Lion some time. Not all OS is perfect.
 
Lion has its flaws, but brings some so-o-o long awaited features, that for people who need them, upgrading is a no-brainer.

Personally, for me those are full screen apps and (finally!) proper disk encryption.
 
urkel said:
Maybe all this mixing of existing gestures and new mobile metaphors has confused Apple just as much as it confuses the users who are supposed to use it.

There really is nothing "natural" about swiping in either direction. Unlike a touchscreen where your eyes and hands line up and make commands feel more tactile, the concept of manipulating mice or trackpads are LEARNED behavior.

Nowhere in real life do you have an object react one way when touching with your index finger (left click) and react another way because you used your middle finger (right click). And no physical book Flips a page because you touched a distant object in the right spot. This is stuff we adapt to and become muscle memory but they are in no way "natural".
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No, but my blinds do go up when I pull down on one side of the rope and go up when i push the same side of the rope, or pull down on the other cord, or was that the other way around? ;)
 
bluetick said:
Lion has its flaws, but brings some so-o-o long awaited features, that for people who need them, upgrading is a no-brainer.

Personally, for me those are full screen apps and (finally!) proper disk encryption.
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Well drive encryption is indeed a big + if you have need for it. I personally don't use it since i have no sensitive data on my mbp but it's great that it is there to choose.

Fullscreen is a matter of opinion i guess, i always have 5 or 6 apps running in the same desktop so i can keep track of them all, full screen with just one app would break my workflow there, plus i have yet to find a webpage that is wide enough to warrant a full screen safari. Maybe on 13" 1200x800 mb's this wouls be useful?!

Maybe i am just disappointed in the whole thing because i was expecting too much. Osx has been in the front for years but win7 and linux have seriously caught up in the last 2 years or so. So i had expected a whole new osx taking "us" a whole step forward again, wowing us like with the ipad or the iphone introductions which were groundbreaking, taking the desktop o.s. To a whole new level. Maybe now that honor will be given to win8? I have no idea if it will work what they are doing with it and two seperate gui's seems like a big risk, but i have to give them cudos for trying.

Instead we got a merely slightly improved SL. Touting 250 new features but imho the same o.s. with some ios features slapped on for making transition for ipad users more easy. You can like or dislike those new fearures but regardless to me it feels slightly underwhelming.
 
benthewraith said:
Sort of agree here. I liked being able to assign certain applications to certain spaces. Mission Control seems somewhat like a gimmick, or a dumbing down of spaces for those who don't know how to use it.
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You still can, but the way to do it is 'dumbed down' and all over the place, i.e. you first need to create the space in Mission Control, then you need to start your application in that space (or drag it over there in Mission Control) and finally, you need to option-click the application icon in dock to tell it to always start in that space. No more easy to use centralized place in preferences where you can just define the amount of spaces you want and assign programs to a certain space w/o even having to start them first.
 
bluetick said:
Lion has its flaws, but brings some so-o-o long awaited features, that for people who need them, upgrading is a no-brainer.
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What features?

I've been waiting for a better FS, resolution independence and so far no luck :(
 
Lion has a lot of nice little features, but it's not as large of an upgrade as Leopard or Tiger (even though Apple is billing it as such with the 250+ features marketing jargon).

However, the price is right, so to upgrade is a no brainer.

Things I Like
⁃ Dashboard being over to left
⁃ New gestures (although some of them are rather difficult to remember)
⁃ Versions
⁃ Automatic Save
⁃ iCal's "Quick Event" (aka Fantastical rip off)
⁃ Resizing from all corners
⁃ Full-screen mode for Safari, Mail and iTunes
⁃ Creating spaces with Mission Control
⁃ Power-user centric TextEdit
⁃ Upgraded System-wide Spell Check, Predictive Text and Dictionary (including the new pop-out highlight)
⁃ The gear menu's "encode video" feature (the Automator team snuck this feature in; Sal Soghoian discusses how it got into the OS in his WWDC training video)
⁃ Time Machine is much faster
⁃ Spotlight is much faster, more organized (like it was in Tiger) and now has Quicklook capabilities
⁃ Mail has UPS, USPS and FedEx tracking identifiers and a cool tracking pop-up that doesn't require Safari
⁃ New Preview is power-user centric (the signature feature is awesome; we need Preview.app on iOS)
⁃ New full-screen Photobooth is fun
⁃ Sort by Application Category
⁃ Group selected items into a folder


Things I Don't Like
⁃ Privacy implications (automatically opening previous documents, video files, etc)
⁃ New iCal UI
⁃ New QuickLook UI (why white? Very distracting)
⁃ New Address Book UI (the new UI is awful and why Address Book is not named Contacts, I don't know)
⁃ The restore partition doesn't actually store the Lion installer and requires you to re-download the installer from the App Store while phoning home to Apple your Mac's serial number for verification
⁃ Safari 5.1 is buggy (seems like the Javascript engine just quits working periodically)
⁃ AirDrop requires both computers to be "in AirDrop" in the Finder to function; it won't just prompt the other machine to download the sent file.
⁃ You can't right click and select a file to transfer via AirDrop; You have to drag it into the Finder's AirDrop section
⁃ Making folders with Launchpad is absolutely a step backwards (We have a mouse that has the capability to select multiple items to form a folder, let us use it.)
⁃ File sharing removed "Macintosh HD" from its default share points for some reason (This may be a personal issue with my two Macs)
⁃ Stacks still sucks (and is nothing like the original demo/promise of Stacks, see YouTube)
⁃ Automator contextual actions still don't have the application icon like in the original Snow Leopard demo; they are an unorganized mess
⁃ Front Row is gone (I love how Apple touts the new Mac mini as the Mac for your TV, but doesn't include any type of interface for it; the new Apple TV interface should have been included as the new Front Row for Lion)
⁃ QuickTime X still doesn't support third-party plug-ins

Things I Feel Are Missing or Missed Opportunities

⁃ The "close", "minimize" and "maximize" stop lights still operate differently in different apps
⁃ There's no central media server service feature (like Windows); you still have to have iTunes open to serve media (to Apple TV, iOS devices, other Macs, etc) which is ridiculous
⁃ Lion setup doesn't offer to re-download all your App Store applications on a clean install
⁃ Having both iChat and FaceTime as separate applications is unintuitive
⁃ There's too many Finder views, Finder.app is still extremely complicated
⁃ AirPort Utility still can't perform disk diagnostics (repair permissions, repair disk, etc) on Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme drives; AirDisk drives are still not a supported method for Time Machine
 
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bluetick said:
Umm, what's wrong with HFS+?
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Well it was a nice FS in 1998 but since has been surpase by a lot of newer, faster, safer, more robust and versatile filesystems suitable better for larger drives.

Especially ZFS would be a perfect match for osx, very reliable sun server filesystem, but it is a nogo for Apple. Ext4 and btrfs are also really good filesystems in linuxland.

Hfs+ is heaviliy based on hfs with some new features slapped on but in it's essence it is still a +20 year old filesystem that is showing its age.

They should really switch to something less dated, imho zfs would be best but it has licensing issues, btrfs is fast but young. So maybe ext4 which is used on many servers like redhat and super failure proof.
 
stefan1975 said:
Well it was a nice FS in 1998 but since has been surpase by a lot of newer, faster, safer, more robust and versatile filesystems suitable better for larger drives.

Especially ZFS would be a perfect match for osx, very reliable sun server filesystem, but it is a nogo for Apple. Ext4 and btrfs are also really good filesystems in linuxland.

Hfs+ is heaviliy based on hfs with some new features slapped on but in it's essence it is still a +20 year old filesystem that is showing its age.

They should really switch to something less dated, imho zfs would be best but it has licensing issues, btrfs is fast but young. So maybe ext4 which is used on many servers like redhat and super failure proof.
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So explain to me what benefits a consumer would see from a switch in the file system? :confused:

I haven't ever been sitting in front of my computer and thought, damn, this thing would be sooo much sweeter if only it wasn't hfs+! What noticeable benefits would a switch provide?
 
NT1440 said:
So explain to me what benefits a consumer would see from a switch in the file system? :confused:

I haven't ever been sitting in front of my computer and thought, damn, this thing would be sooo much sweeter if only it wasn't hfs+! What noticeable benefits would a switch provide?
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Well zfs is faster, less prone to faulting on you even in power failures, it does copy-on-write, when using more disks it is easy as pie to add and remove volumes.

it does most of that apple time-machine and autosave thing out of the box making it possible to click back to previous versions of even individual files by using f.s. Snapshots.

It protects integrity by doing checksums on files without causing delays, has a true variable blocksize.

Please note that i am not bashing osx, apple or even hfs+ which in essence is still a fine unix filesystem. No reason to vote down when i am merely trying to give an unbiased answer to someone elses question :)
 
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Yup. You won't be seeing stuff like this for example.

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Kariya said:
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Yup. You won't be seeing stuff like this for example.

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ouch ... that must have hurt. it really annoys the heck out of me when that happens. Right at this very moment we have a 2010 iMac running SL at the office that won't boot past the first boot screen with the spinning bars. wifi was down so a guy just tried to hard boot it and now it's dead. filesystem failure most likely. sigh. gonna have to fix that in the morning i am afraid. well at least it didn't have to do anything with lion, that's for sure ;)
 
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