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Apple lost its mojo with iOS lion?

I don't feel OS X has been dumbed down, I feel that it been overly complicated. iOS has many ideas that work great on iOS device because they compliment the touch interface. Gigantic icons, gesture based interaction, full screen apps etc are necessary for computing on a small device that avoids complicated peripherals. But OS X is built for large non-touch screen hardware so how does spreading your apps across 10 pages with 2" icons promote efficiency? Or how does pushing apps to run full screen make multitasking easier when the OS supports REAL multitasking? Or how. Do complicated, unintuitive gestures on a separate trackpad properly emulate the physical interaction we get when gesturing on an iPad?

I'm not slamming Lion and I'm glad to upgrade to it. But I feel that, until Jobs allows touchscreen Macs, the adoption of iOS paradigms into OS X is unnecessary and confusing. I definitely would like to see the desktop UI evolve, but not into a touch based interface that doesn't allow touch input.
 
BlackMangoTree said:
No way to work with manage minimised windows is pathetically stupid.
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You can work with minimised windows, just not in the all app mission control view (they appear in the F10 Show All windows view). It's not ideal, and it does seem a strange omission from Mission Control, but it's not completely accurate to say there's no way to do it
 
mmmm now i've noticed that the SL --> lion GM upgrade somehow left me with 2 of most apps in launchpad. The old school application launcher and spotlight are fine and showing just one version of the default apps, but launchpad shows two of most default apps like automated, dvd player, quicktime, safari and whatnot.

Can't remove them either. Guess I'll have to make do with a clean install when it's released.
 
stefan1975 said:
mmmm now i've noticed that the SL --> lion GM upgrade somehow left me with 2 of most apps in launchpad. The old school application launcher and spotlight are fine and showing just one version of the default apps, but launchpad shows two of most default apps like automated, dvd player, quicktime, safari and whatnot.

Can't remove them either. Guess I'll have to make do with a clean install when it's released.
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You can do a clean install with the GM. The installesd.dmg file can be burned/copied to a USB and then lets you do a clean install.
 
JonHimself said:
You can do a clean install with the GM. The installesd.dmg file can be burned/copied to a USB and then lets you do a clean install.
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Jup i know, thx. However i am doing the clean install on the ssd i bought for the lion release and just want to do that once. So i'll wait for lion to be released before i buy it and burn it do disk, pop in the ssd and the 8gb crucial ram. Just used the GM to test lion out on my soon to be redundant 5400 rpm stock drive.
 
so just tested a little further after working and running for the rest of the day. i hadn't tried iCal yet on lion, but what were they on when they designed that? apple has some of the most brilliant UI designers in the business compared to M$ and Google, but iCal seems like it fits in with windows 3.11 or chromeOS! it doesn't look anything like the polished brushed grey of the rest of the system. odd!

ps. why the heck is helpd taking over 600 megs of RAM?
 
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I urge all users that find Lion any good to switch back to SL to feel the difference. The difference is really striking! SL is much smoother to work with and feels 'right'.

As a developer I need to have a OS X 10.7 partition for testing but my main OS X will be SL until Lion is usable.
 
this will be the first OSX update i'll skip/wait till 10.7.6 (if it get's fixed)

things as they are any not suitable for MAC
no interest in iOS hybrid nonsense :mad:

epic FAIL
 
joecool99 said:
this will be the first OSX update i'll skip/wait till 10.7.6 (if it get's fixed)

things as they are any not suitable for MAC
no interest in iOS hybrid nonsense :mad:

epic FAIL
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Oh well. Somehow life for the rest of us will go on.
 
stefan1975 said:
I want spaces not that compiz ripoff mission control or those sliding desktops.
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While virtual desktops on UNIX WMs go way back even before OS X, IMO Spaces was immediately the best implementation ever with useful and elegant animations.

I don't really care what it's called. Mission Control's melding of Spaces and Exposé (both of which have been copied by compiz) are two Apple original features rolled into one, which is itself original.

Apple has not added a cube/sphere effect or anything similar from compiz.
 
macrem said:
While virtual desktops on UNIX WMs go way back even before OS X, IMO Spaces was immediately the best implementation ever with useful and elegant animations.

I don't really care what it's called. Mission Control's melding of Spaces and Exposé (both of which have been copied by compiz) are two Apple original features rolled into one, which is itself original.

Apple has not added a cube/sphere effect or anything similar from compiz.
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Well i am glad they didnt throw in all that compiz cube stuff. I think the ubuntu default is to line up the desktops horizontally sliding though, kinda like mission control.

And while it looks good 2d spaces in a matrix is much faster (especially with a keyboard) to switch then mission control, not even considering minimised apps are broken in m.c. And the desktop thumbs are so tiny they are a anonymous smudge to me.
 
Control Zoom seems to be gone in Lion!

So in testing, usually you hold down Control and Scroll with mouse and zoom in and out for full screen zoom. Now they moved it to Universal Access and you have to use Zoom in a Window like a Magnifying glass. I cannot get it to full screen zoom! I use this all the time in the classes I teach, and the Magnify thing sucks. Anyone else have this problem? Anyone find a way to get Control Full Screen Zoom back?
 
scottamoulton said:
So in testing, usually you hold down Control and Scroll with mouse and zoom in and out for full screen zoom. Now they moved it to Universal Access and you have to use Zoom in a Window like a Magnifying glass. I cannot get it to full screen zoom! I use this all the time in the classes I teach, and the Magnify thing sucks. Anyone else have this problem? Anyone find a way to get Control Full Screen Zoom back?
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If that feature is really gone, that's a big disappointment. I use it all the time, too.
 
So what the heck is wrong with safari 5.1? It's got *huge* memory issues. I just left my mbp idle for an hou or so with nothing but safari running on the macrumors site. Now when i returned i had two safari processes running each using >300mb ram?! No extensions nothing. This thing has some serious memory leakage going on!
 
stefan1975 said:
So what the heck is wrong with safari 5.1? It's got *huge* memory issues. I just left my mbp idle for an hou or so with nothing but safari running on the macrumors site. Now when i returned i had two safari processes running each using >300mb ram?! No extensions nothing. This thing has some serious memory leakage going on!
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I made a thread about it here. 300mb is nothing!
 
scottamoulton said:
So in testing, usually you hold down Control and Scroll with mouse and zoom in and out for full screen zoom. Now they moved it to Universal Access and you have to use Zoom in a Window like a Magnifying glass. I cannot get it to full screen zoom! I use this all the time in the classes I teach, and the Magnify thing sucks. Anyone else have this problem? Anyone find a way to get Control Full Screen Zoom back?
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The fullscreen zoom functionality of Snow Leopard is still present in Mac OS X Lion and is exactly the same as it was in Snow Leopard with the addition of the Zoom in Window function you mention. It has been a part of Universal Access for a while and is probably the feature I love most about OS X.

Ensure you have "Zoom in window" deselected in the Universal Access preference pane, there are some additional options under the Options... button which may also be useful to you such as the behaviour of the zoomed area when you move the cursor.

Hope that helps.
 
Anyone found a way yet to permanently untick that "restore all windows" checkbox upon shutdown? It's really annoying having last night's pr0n popping back up in the morning because the darn thing doesnt remember being turned off the day before.....
 
Ca1icoJack said:
The fullscreen zoom functionality of Snow Leopard is still present in Mac OS X Lion and is exactly the same as it was in Snow Leopard with the addition of the Zoom in Window function you mention. It has been a part of Universal Access for a while and is probably the feature I love most about OS X.

Ensure you have "Zoom in window" deselected in the Universal Access preference pane, there are some additional options under the Options... button which may also be useful to you such as the behaviour of the zoomed area when you move the cursor.

Hope that helps.
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I know that zoom still exists, but I cannot make it work like it use to WITHOUT the stupid Zoom Window. It does not do fullscreen for me in the GM without the Zoom Window magnifying thing. Fullscreen zoom does not work.

I also checked Snow Leopard and it is not in the Universal Access, it was function under the Trackpad. As I said it no longer works in fullscreen in GM only in the stupid window.
 
scottamoulton said:
I know that zoom still exists, but I cannot make it work like it use to WITHOUT the stupid Zoom Window. It does not do fullscreen for me in the GM without the Zoom Window magnifying thing. Fullscreen zoom does not work.

I also checked Snow Leopard and it is not in the Universal Access, it was function under the Trackpad. As I said it no longer works in fullscreen in GM only in the stupid window.
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Ok, well there is something buggy because I tested it several times and after Lion is running Fullscreen zoom does not work, however, right after a reboot, it did work this time. Hmmm.... I will have to research when it stops working...
 
Atarikid said:
I urge all users that find Lion any good to switch back to SL to feel the difference. The difference is really striking! SL is much smoother to work with and feels 'right'.
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Completely opposite with me. I go back to SL and it feels stiff and awkward. Especially scrolling. The rounded buttons seem quaint and "old".

Lion is a huge step forward in making OS X feel right.
 
stefan1975 said:
apple has some of the most brilliant UI designers in the business compared to M$ and Google, but iCal seems like it fits in with windows 3.11 or chromeOS!
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Not to beat a dead horse, but the underlined is ridiculous. There is no way those two OS's look even remotely similar given the rate of change in technology, and you know....resolution.
 
Phil A. said:
You can work with minimised windows, just not in the all app mission control view (they appear in the F10 Show All windows view). It's not ideal, and it does seem a strange omission from Mission Control, but it's not completely accurate to say there's no way to do it
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There is no way i can get minimised windows to show. F10 does nothing here. from a clean install of Lion. Having to right click and App in the dock and select show all windows is so slow and not practical even then it's only for the selected app, not all minimised windows.

This is a serious joke from Apple
 
BlackMangoTree said:
There is no way i can get minimised windows to show. F10 does nothing here. from a clean install of Lion. Having to right click and App in the dock and select show all windows is so slow and not practical even then it's only for the selected app, not all minimised windows.

This is a serious joke from Apple
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A four finger swipe downward doesn't show you your apps minimized windows under a light line across the page? :confused:
 
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