Apple Lowering iPhone Prices in Some International Markets to Boost Sales

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  1. bobtem, Jan 29, 2019
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    Why doesn’t Apple just start their own currency? Yeah, call it the Apple Apple. Symbol is the Apple logo with little dashes on top and bottom. New iPhone costs 100 Apples. And if people complain about price, Tim could say, “well you’re not comparing...”
     
  2. heikkipekka macrumors newbie

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    For an iPhone XS Brazilians pay $1960 to $2499, when Americans pay half the price $999 to $1349.

    Lowering the price for the Brazilians doesn't sound like screwing your home country to me.
     
  3. otozuz macrumors regular

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    In USA $999 is before taxes, while in Europe (at least in Italy and some other countries) the price already includes taxes. When you do the math the final price with taxes is much closer to the US price — it’s still more expensive in Europe than in the US, but the difference is much smaller than the numbers you mentioned :)
     
  4. Mr Todhunter macrumors regular

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    In Sweden the starting price for the Xs including VAT is $1415. Considering that the Swedish market is already saturated I would expect sales to go way down the drain during 2019.
     
  5. Ralfi macrumors 68020

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    The people have spoken.

    Now let’s enjoy a $50 saving....

    (Hopes aren’t high)
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    That’s more than the pricing of a 6S, yet the XR has a more deprived feature-set to the XS, compared to the 6S & 6S +.
     
  6. chad.petree macrumors 6502

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    Lol, that's EXACTLY what I think apple is going to do, drop the price by 50 $/€ , I'm really having a hard time imagining them cutting the price by more than 50-100 €, at least in Europe they should make the prices match the USA prices 1$ = 1€ , yes I know that here in Europe, taxes are included , but 1000 € is still more money than 1000 $ + taxes.
     
  7. jimmy_uk, Jan 30, 2019
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    iPhone XS 256GB Silver and Space Grey has dropped under £1000 on Amazon.co.uk sold by Amazon/Apple, so its happening.

    I would assume Gold is popular so no need to price drop. XS Max is outselling XS so again no need to price cut.......yet. Give it a couple more months and I think it will drop £100-£150.
     
  8. youdontsay macrumors member

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    -> iPhone XS in the US : 999$ (873€)
    --> Add french 20% VAT = 1048€
    ---> But somehow, Apple sells the iPhone 1155€

    That's a 107€ (122$) difference.
     
  9. Gilligan's last elephant macrumors 6502a

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    If warranty failures were 1 in a 100, that would justify a 1% hike across all sales to compensate. We are dealing with price hikes of nearer 10% in UK/EU.
    More likely less sales of AppleCare needing compensated for.
    Any reputable consumer watchdog will tell you that company insurance schemes are a scam.
     
  10. nihil0 macrumors member

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    I don't think that "real" US$ to € conversion will ever happen [eg. 999$ to 874€] but at least make prices 1:1, so XS will cost 999€ incl. VAT as opposed now to 1149€. Crazy price.
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    I don't care about that really. They need to make prices 1:1 excluding US sales tax and including EU VAT and all is good. What happens in the backstage is not my concern as end customer. If that lowers their revenue they can save money somewhere else and not drain them from non-US customers.
     
  11. YaBe macrumors 6502a

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    You answered your own question.
    Lower prices were sales are already low, you loose little and might actually gain some market share / customer, lower were sales are high (and if they are high why would you need to lower the price???) and you lose money without much gain. :D
    Also the potential marked is more outside the US, as you stated they already sale a lot there, meaning the potential increase is lower than say in a place where they sell very little but the population is large..
     
  12. iPadified macrumors regular

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    Tim and co is doing their job, maximise profit until sales is hurt, then lower the profit margin. If sales are doing fine in USA, do ot lower the price and if the sales are hurt elsewhere, leave the market or drop prices. Nothing to be angry about, it market economy.

    However, if Apple want to sell more services, sell more devices at a lower price point to get more people into the Apple courtyard.
     
  13. Brian Y macrumors 68040

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    £1450 for the 512GB Xs Max is way too much money.

    People here are tightening their belts, the days of charging what you like for something are over.
     
  14. Martius macrumors 6502

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    I'm curious when is this price lowering going to happen. I just can't imagine they will just lower the price mid-cycle (I'm watching CZK price).
     
  15. youdontsay macrumors member

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    it's worse than that…

    -> iPhone XS in the US : 999$ (873€)
    --> Add french 20% VAT = 1048€
    ---> But somehow, Apple sells the iPhone 1155€
    That's a 107€ (122$) difference.
     
  16. vertical smile macrumors 68040

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    No it doesn't, not even close.

    Besides, this was just an example to help explain it.
    From most of the examples I have seen, VAT explains most of that and the longer warranties for the other part.

    The truth of the matter is that Apple doing business in the EU costs more than the US. Apple increases their prices to reflect the cost of doing business.

    If you think Apple should be charging your country less, vote with your wallet and stop buying their stuff.
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    Are you adjusting for consumer protection laws??

    What is the warranty there?
     
  17. youdontsay macrumors member

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    You seem to be isolating specific regions in your replies to the contrary; I’m unsure why you’re doing that.


     
  19. vertical smile macrumors 68040

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    It looks like the warranty that comes with the iPhone is two years, the warranty that comes with the iPhone in the US is only 1 year.

    That could explain the 107€ (122$) difference.
     
  20. Gilligan's last elephant macrumors 6502a

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    The close to 10% hike I was referring to was AFTER accounting for VAT.

    What rate of warranty claims do you think Apple has to deal with in UK/EU?
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    For a price increase of basically 10% of the purchase price, what warranty claim rate for the second year do you imagine Apple has to deal with?
     
  21. vertical smile macrumors 68040

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    It doesn’t matter what the % and you are still missing the point.

    Apple can charge what they want, and if you don’t like it, vote with your wallet.

    I don’t like what they are charging for the X models, and I am choosing not to buy them.

    The 10% you are referring to is around what Apple charges the US customers for a Apple Care + which is the close to the two year warranty that some other places get.
     
  22. ghanwani macrumors 6502a

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    Because if they cut prices a good chunk of people will never buy a phone on launch day, instead holding out for price cut day.
     
  23. Morgenland, Jan 30, 2019
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    #123
    Do you want the majority of the world's population to work more for an iPhone than you do?
    Does that make you feel good?
    Probably.
    There are even supposed to be ideologues who fuel this conflict once a cold war of customs duty and walls breaks out.
     
  24. Gilligan's last elephant macrumors 6502a

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    The % absolutely matters. You were justifying to another poster that an extra $100+ on the price of an iPhone is to offset cost of warranty claim costs. Some of the Apple Team cheerleaders on here claim that failures are less than 0.1% or 1 in a 1000. (You guys know who you are :) )
    So $100,000 extra revenue to cover 1 failure. That doesn't add up. Even if all the processing etc on a replacement that is $600 cost price raises that to $2000.
    If AppleCare is $100 per year we are getting closer to the mark. 2 year warranties make AppleCare, if it is even available, not a good option in UK/EU. But Apple want that money they can get out US purchasers.
     
  25. Baymowe335 macrumors 68040

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    Yeah, he's specifically talking about markets where foreign exchange has been a huge issue and Apple has "lowered" prices to absorb that difference and return to previous pricing levels. He doesn't even come close to saying "all markets outside the US." He's talking about a few countries, like Turkey where the Lira lost 33%. They are basically saying, "OK, we'll eat that and you can pay us what you paid last year."

    I don't see that happening in a ton of countries, particularly not the ones that set records, which were many (Mexico, Western Europe, Korea, Italy, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Vietnam, etc). Asia Pacific was actually up y/y from a revenue perspective.

    So yeah, Tim didn't say anything specific as to which countries, but it's not across the board.
     

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