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Apple Made Me Buy a Windows HP Workstation
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We are talking generally about all Apple products, not specifically about a certain model. So that includes the average consumer.
All this talk about "The Professional User" reminds me of the 2008 election campaign blah about "Joe the Plumber". Broad-sweeping generalizations about a fictional figure who supposedly embodied all of working-class America.
"The Pro" seems to be fashioned in a similar manner. A fictional figure supposedly representing every person using a computer professionally.
"The Pro" seems to be fashioned in a similar manner. A fictional figure supposedly representing every person using a computer professionally.
The presumed Republican nominee Mr. Trump has stated that Apple will be convinced to relocate their iPhone factories from China to the U.S., if he is elected President. Hopefully Carly Fiorina won't be the one selected as Vice President in charge of technology issues.
You are aware that his migration to a Windows HP Workstation is closely related to the Mac Pro right?
Podcast/debate on the topic:
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/podc...advocate-apple-scaling-and-tim-cooks-speeches
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You do have to wonder just "what are all those people doing?" as the articles asks.
if you want os x and dece3nt hardware at this point the best option is hackintosh at this point
Seems too many people dismissing other peoples experience and facts to sooth their own losing egos, and lack of originality, indeed.
But, but... They've got huge collaboration tables to build.
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What has always amazed me during the 3 years we have been debating the failures of nMP is the passion behind the "accept mediocrity" folks.
I get that people who feel abandoned by the "meh" specs can get wound up. But how do the "assimilate with the majority" folks get so riled up? They like having average stuff, but are offended that we expect more from Apple? "Resistance is futile, accept middling tech" we keep being told, but why do they care?
Apple already makes the middle-of-the-road stuff they apparently crave, why get upset that we want more? What does it hurt to expect more?
We want Apple to take their machines seriously and aim higher than the kids at the mall. It isn't sacrilege to expect more, is it?
I get that people who feel abandoned by the "meh" specs can get wound up. But how do the "assimilate with the majority" folks get so riled up? They like having average stuff, but are offended that we expect more from Apple? "Resistance is futile, accept middling tech" we keep being told, but why do they care?
Apple already makes the middle-of-the-road stuff they apparently crave, why get upset that we want more? What does it hurt to expect more?
We want Apple to take their machines seriously and aim higher than the kids at the mall. It isn't sacrilege to expect more, is it?
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Apple is run by bean counters, and $10M invested in iToy updates pays more than $10M invested in state of the art high end. (Most bean counters don't consider halo effects.)
If there isn't even a minor update to the tube at MacWorld SF 2016, assume that the bean counters have decided to kill the line. Bean counters don't like dealing with footnotes on the revenue stream, especially if the ROI is a footnote as well. Sorry creative professionals, but Apple want the kids at the mall.
Apple needs a visionary who will plant the beans, and then climb the stalk.
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I agree: WWDC is the drop dead date. I've been pricing out other options, and Dell seems like the best deal. Why are so many people obsessed with the HP-Z machines? They seem overpriced compared with Dell.
I buy about a million dollars of stuff a year for our group, and I buy HPE servers and Dell workstations. No rationally defensible reason - but I got a bad bunch of cheap Dell servers, and find the mechanical design of the HPE servers to be far friendlier. (Everything is tool-less, the fact that the BIOS has a webserver for setup and management is wonderful.) Today's Dells may be fine, but my data center is built around the HP management tools. Not changing over a few percent difference in the discount price.
Exactly the same (but opposite) for workstations. No issues with Dell - and they're so quiet that I've actually pulled PCIe cards out of running Dell Precisions because I didn't realize that they were running. (No problems resulted - but OMG nonetheless). I did have a loaner Z840 from HP for a while, and it was also a fine system.
The HP Z840 was beautiful inside (which is probably why Apple fans look at them). Baffles and panels to direct airflow (that have to be removed to get inside). HP pays attention to the "inside the box" beauty - Dell makes sure that the engineering is good, but not too much on pretty for the sake of pretty.
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Perhaps the strongest thing that I can say is that when I bought a new home system (on my dime), I bought a Dell Precision T3610. Same CPU and chipset as the MP6,1 6-core, but 8 DIMM slots, a bunch of PCIe slots, and room for 6 SSDs and two optical inside. (And of course, the four year next business day at home warranty.)
[Had some less than completely happy experiences with some DIY systems, and wanted ECC RAM so that there would never be a question about a memory error.]
Mediocrity? Aim high? Kind of like how Nvidia has to use software to do the hardwares job, async compute anyone? ( Yeah, your favorite topic ) But lets only turn a blind eye to that one. I know you have. How about...
Microsoft Windows...Still uses a fragmenting file system, a registry. Tablet interface on a desktop? Skylake users have to upgrade to Windows 10?!? Secretly downloading Windows 10 on a users computer taking up precious drive space. Transmitting user data back to Microsoft.
Nvidias awful use of proprietary software like Gameworks, CUDA, PhysX, VRWorks. Now conveniently baked in to third party games making it play terrible on AMD and other graphic cards.
Seems the same people are fine accepting mediocrity outside of Apple.
I went ahead and ordered myself a new Dell Precision M7510 mobile workstation.
i7-6920HQ, 32GB RAM, Quadro M2000M graphics, 512GB PCI-e NVMe SSD, 1080p IPS screen, and some other extra little features. It came to $2153 after the 9.75% WA sales tax.
I don't think Apple would have ever offered something like this at this price.
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i7-6920HQ, 32GB RAM, Quadro M2000M graphics, 512GB PCI-e NVMe SSD, 1080p IPS screen, and some other extra little features. It came to $2153 after the 9.75% WA sales tax.
I don't think Apple would have ever offered something like this at this price.
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Yeah, can't beat the 3 year next day service from Dell. I had a low end Latitude E5440 laptop that needed a new motherboard. Called Dell in the morning, they ordered the part and sent a tech at my house the next day. Very impressed.
This isn't average anymore, more like abysmal. Even a minor update won't get anybody buy into their current "pro" line.
I haven't look at the Mac buyer's guide in a while. I never realized that it was that bad. 
I haven't look at the Mac buyer's guide in a while. I never realized that it was that bad.
Well at least we get a new iPhone every year *shrugs*
Perfect example of what I meant
They are not. Nvidia has been called out and ridiculed several times. several nvidia users, me included are actually hoping for an AMD comeback. there are certainly some very rabid fanboys on both the amd and nvidia side though, il acknowledge that and they are an absolute nuisance, as bad and often worse than Apple fanboys.
however, Microsoft fanboys virtually dont exist, you can barely find a single person on earth who would tell you they love Windows. i have never seen a person defend any of the microsoft issues you mentioned. in fact, pc users are actively criticising microsoft for most of them.
I think they are working on new emojis for the next iOS update.
It would be absolutely amazing (and by that I mean offensive) if they didn't do any refresh on Mac Pro EXCEPT offering it in gold and rose gold with the same specs.