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Apple Maintains Mac Sales Momentum Amid Overall Worldwide PC Market Decline
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Not posting this in response to your post totally or to you specifically but I have noticed that a large number of negative Apple posts on here seem to come from UK posters. I just figure those posters are entrenched in the PC world and don't want to change and guess only feel somewhat threatened by the increasing numbers of Apple products/users to have them spend their time posting about Mac products they probably don't even own or use. Probably spend more time doing so than on PC specific threads or sites. I also will add that I have seen a lot of people on here buying Apple products from the UK recently, like the Watch in particular.
With the exception of my 6+ phone I use my Apple products at home and the outside world doesn't see them. I use them because I love the ease of use and the look and feel of them. Don't need to impress anyone. While there probably are people who buy them thinking they are "status symbols" of some sort, I don't think in any way the vast majority of people do. They just like the look and usability of them. And if they didn't work well for them, I seriously doubt they would be upgrading to newer Apple products. I had my 4S phone and my iPad2 (non-retina) for a number of years and just recently upgraded when I felt the technology offered something that I decided was worth it for me.
Apple products do look cool. They spend a lot of time designing them to be sleek and have the OS work well. I don't read anything else into it.
I wouldn't touch a new macbook with a 10 foot pole (like so many other people on this forum.. just look at how many people feel it's not for them at this time). For me, I played with it and I'm not willing to deal with all the headaches of find the adapter game right now. I think one day it will be an option but that is when USB-C is more prevalent, the world is truly wireless, and the size and weight are perfect.
Also, it needs more juice.
Forums are full of very vocal minorities. People are literally drooling over (and buying) them at the Apple Stores, with good reasons.
These numbers are totally expected given the price tag of Macs and the fact that virtually all corporations use Windows.
Well color changes might be an example of them trying to be cool. And maybe young folk think that Apple phones are cool partly because the expense is still a lot for folks who don't have regular jobs. But the folks that I deal with who are adults just all have Apple products. They do not see them as cool. They seem them as normal these days.
Pretty looking though is not something that I think is useless. The Mac Pro looking nice and also being very powerful did not seem like a sacrifice or a mistake by Apple. It seemed like trying really hard to me.
I don't think adding retina is as easy to do for laptop as you say considering I have a 2015 laptop that cost a bundle and is not even close to a retina screen on it. And I do not see too many out there that have what you say is so easy to add to the Mac Air.
I think folks who feel like Apples marketing team is the real key is missing the point. Even in your earlier post you say that their hardware is really high quality. Samsungs commercials have been funny and have had great celebrity endorsements. And they've spent a bundle. I do not see how Apple has some stranglehold on marketing. All the marketing is done by third parties that basically any company can hire for an add campaign anyway.
I think Apple has a mammoth RD department funded by iPhone profits and they are reaping the benefits of scale since their entire company focuses on high end products while the other companies distract themselves by focusing on products that compete on price. Their competitors make lots of worse level products in every line be it phone or computer than Apple. While Apple does not spend time designing anything that is not in the near state of the art. They may continue to sell stuff that is not state of the art. But that is just manufacturing continue to make it. Apple is not spending time working on the 5S in 2015, though it continues to sell. While Samsung releases products in 2015 that they could have made int 2013. That is the distraction that Apple does not have.
Exactly... Typical forum's nerds approach is just looking at tech specs and drooling over it. I would buy an "obsolete" Haswell MacBook Pro over ANY dell laptop.....
A better balanced computer, well designed, is much preferable than a last-specs crap machine....
Apple is using Skylake on iMac 27", and Broadwell on many other computers because they want Iris Pro integrated GPUs and not crappy Intel HD solutions....
Intel did a messy release with Broadwell and Skylake , and Apple isn't just following the "I want the last chipset no matter what" path . And I'm very happy about that.
Nope. Windows 10 is the best Windows so far, maybe (not entirely convinced yet), but is far from being any brilliant
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According to some "Apple lovers" here it is obscenely obsolete because it use an Haswell cpu, lol
I'm not sure you can discredit forum opinion while making a wild assumption that people are drooling over them in apple stores and buying them
I bought one, but having had actual discussions with Apple Store staff, many buyers have reservations about the one port, as per forum opinion. Seems the MacBook Air is still the winner for many.
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It's a piece of obsolete junk! Ivy bridge MBP is the model you want
The only PCs that I have ever seen being upgraded have been upgraded by me, because none of the PC users had the brains to upgrade them. Just because you can open the box and put in more RAM doesn't mean they have the brains to go on the Internet, find the right RAM, order it, open the box, remove the old RAM and put in new one. In all these cases I was also the one who ordered the parts.
And all the "nice" Windows laptops can't be upgraded anyway. And if you read the article, the market share isn't 5%. It's 7.5% world wide, which is 50 percent more. Or 12.8% in the USA, which is 156% more.
I hear what you say, however, let me provide you with some more information. The UK is in fact one of Apple's major markets with very large iPhone ownership. However, what irks many Apple users in the UK is that Apple provides a two tier service to its customers i.e. the U.S. then the rest of the world. Example, ATV is more like ATV Lite in the UK, a very poor offering indeed.
You say people don't buy iPhones to look cool and yet in the UK school playgrounds are full of kids with iPhones trying to humiliate kids who don't have one through peer pressure. I find any product that has this effect divisive and unpleasant.
I also think that culturally the U.K. population are far more derisory, sceptical and critical than our U.S. cousins, whether that be about politicians or companies that like to think they are on a pedestal. On a personal level I hate sycophancy of any kind.
The only brand loyalty I have is to whoever gives me the best deal at the time for the job I have in mind. I currently have an iMac as well as other Apple kit. I now have an Android phone and Tablet for the simple reason I had used an iPad for the last four years but considered the opposition had now caught up with Apple and could offer me the same experience at a better price point. I haven't been disappointed. When it comes time to change I could come back to Apple, I could stay with Android or I could go with Windows. It really doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
I think most brands are pretty reliable these days providing you don't go to cheap.
Not really. The MacBook doesn't offer anywhere close to the power & functionality the Air has.
Mac(book Pro/air) and iPhone are two pillars of Apple business that are almost perfect in terms of hardware and software.
Both perfected under SteveJobs. No company always wins.
Don't tell me. Tell the well known apple bashers here.
I'm not sure you can discredit forum opinion while making a wild assumption that people are drooling over them in apple stores and buying them
I bought one, but having had actual discussions with Apple Store staff, many buyers have reservations about the one port, as per forum opinion. Seems the MacBook Air is still the winner for many.
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It's a piece of obsolete junk! Ivy bridge MBP is the model you want
I strongly think MacBook Air is the winner mainly because it's cheaper
But it offers amazing portability and you can get home and plug just one dock to the computer rather than 6 single cables like I have to do every time with my MBP. More functional.
I see many pros and cons, as it is normal, of course
I own MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010) and 100% satisfied. I am pretty sure I could not get another product on the market that is still "as good as new" in terms of usability and looks after 5 years of intense use.
Have fun!
I own MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010) and 100% satisfied. I am pretty sure I could not get another product on the market that is still "as good as new" in terms of usability and looks after 5 years of intense use.
Have fun!
I'm still not convinced on Windows 10. Windows 7 is still my favorite. I honestly think that the main reason Windows 10 is being so favorably viewed is that it rolled us back some from the disaster that was Windows 8. That's a sad statement for an OS: "Yeah, but it got us closer to the version that came before the last version."
But Macrumours readers told me that the new Macs suck and no one would want them.
And they also told me no one cares about the Mac anymore when I asked when two bits of hardware related Mac news were never posted on here whilst we have every picture of each part that gets put inside a bloody iPhone.
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What about the Macbook Air?
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The keyboard is amazing though.
Using Windows professionally, Windows 10 craps all over every previous version. Direct Access alone makes it essential over Windows 7 and I could write for hours about all the other stuff added or refined over previous versions.
Some people might prefer to use Windows 7 for whatever reason and that is fine, but it's a nonsense argument to even suggest Windows 7 (a 7+ year old OS) is better.
Let's nt forget that there are still people who claim Snow Leopard is better than El Capitan. Some people are just pretty odd and stuck in their ways.
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It depends on what you're doing, though. Snow Leopard is light years faster for rotational hard drive access compared to El Capitain. It boots in like 1/10 the time. It also more efficient and runs faster for a given CPU. If El Capitain "appears" faster for SOME computers it's only because of the Metal API. The OS itself underneath is more bloated than ever. Look at Yosemite. That's El Capitan without Metal. So it comes down to whether the new features are worth it and whether you can still get the software you need or not for Snow Leopard.
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Absolutely correct, but what I have been wondering about is the following.
Apple has the deepest pockets of all of the tech companies in the world. It also has the narrowest product line of all its competitors (for the excellent reason you posted). What I don't get is why Apple seems to "forget" some of its products for years (e.g. the Mac Mini or the Pro) and both neglects it in terms of generic updates (processor, HD, etc) but also in terms of real progressive development (Macbook Air Retina comes to mind). Surely Apple should have the resources to issue regular updates on all product lines in timeframes that make sense.
It sometimes seems to me that indeed Apple is shuffling engineers and designers over the place from project to project like some say here. I was always annoyed at comments such as "I don't need X, I wish Apple would focus on Y", but lately I'm beginning to think that there really IS only 1 engineer in that company.