No, because they didn't. Steve Jobs visited Xerox PARC, where he was shown the GUI and was impressed by it and used it for the Lisa, then the Macintosh.
So what do you call permission to use IP in a product?
No, because they didn't. Steve Jobs visited Xerox PARC, where he was shown the GUI and was impressed by it and used it for the Lisa, then the Macintosh.
So what do you call permission to use IP in a product?
No, because they didn't. Steve Jobs visited Xerox PARC, where he was shown the GUI and was impressed by it and used it for the Lisa, then the Macintosh.
You have things reversed Jobs didn't care much for the Lisa..he wasn't head of the Lisa team..he was head of the mac team..
Actually, you got it wrong. He was in Project Lisa, but was kicked out, then he went on to project Macintosh.
Actually Steve wouldn't let it go to project Lisa since it was his "discovery"
He was in project Lisa like Woz was in name only...cripes..please read history beyond his bio...Jobs thought Lisa was a failure...
Why would he name the computer after his first daughter if he thought it was a failure then?![]()
Again read more history than the bio..jeeez read Wiki even..he never cared because it was a: competition to the Mac, and didn't provide the UI he was interested in along with the price...
You also have to remember or read that he didn't accept responsibility for his first daughter until long after
Its always a sign that a Mac-related discussion is heading for irrelevance and/or inanity when you see Xerox Parc mentioned.
At some point people just need to let it go. Nobody cares any more. 99% of the time the point you are trying to make is completely different from the facts of that case.
If you think it makes you look smart or informed about the history of computers, it doesn't.
From now on, as far as I'm concerned anyone mentioning Xerox Parc automatically loses whatever argument (either pro- or anti- Apple) they are trying to make. We'll all be a lot better for it.
ps: This goes double for people quoting Steve Jobs "Great Artists Steal" line. Those people deserve to be ground into terrine and smeared over a Damien Hirst installation, just so they'll finally learn something about what the words "artist" and "steal" actually mean.
Well, besides HP and Dell any other PC brand is junk.
Toshiba is good for notebooks, but not desktops.
Apple gets third place basically by default, following Toshiba very close.
Lenovo doesn't even appear.
I disagree. Without going though an entire history of the laptop, it was Apple that commissioned Intel to design the Core2Duo chip inside the Air. It may be that PCs makers have always strived for thinner machines, but when the Air was first announced it was a truly groundbreaking design. It's only now, 4 years after the first Air was shown to the world that PC makers are really pushing "ultrabooks."
So, given that it was years between the Air and any PC competitor, I think it's safe to say PC makers did copy the Air design. And the reality is that the CE industry followed Jobs' lead all during the 00's. Almost all GUI, hardware designs, and workflows (like apps) are borrowed from Apple.
The irony is that Apple itself borrowed a lot of its ideas from independent developers and entrepreneurs.
And their port placement is somewhat atrocious. But nowhere near as bad as the port placement on the new dell laptops. AYFKME? almost all the useful ports are on the back in an ugly protrusion that sticks out behind the display.
SandynJosh, are you actually calling me out over my punctuation? For a throw away post that I typed on a mobile phone? Let's see how skilled you are in the rest of your post:
I completely agree with you. It's just that some of these people will find the most asinine little detail to nitpick just so they can strengthen their "X copied Apple" arguments, ... Like "no laptops had black keyboards before the unibody Mac Pro showed up. ... Someone shows him the Vaio from 2004, and his only response is "LOL WHATEVER!
The fact is that there wasn't many, if any, product that ripped off the Vaio from 2004 in terms of design and many of the Ultrabooks and recent laptops (Hello HP Envy and Samsungs) do not look much like the Vaios from 2004 but they definitely do have a lot of styling cues of competing Apple products. It's ridiculous to claim Apple invented much, if any, of it, but it's also ridiculous to assert others are not copying, or at least "paying homage" to Apple and mimicking Apple's products.
I never said they didn't. Companies copy each other all the time. It's the way of the world. Hell, I'll be the first to admit that the current trend in consumer electronics has very much been inspired by Apple. We wouldn't be riding this wave of awesome Tablets if it weren't for the iPad. Smartphones wouldn't be nearly as slick if the iPhone didn't force other companies to try harder. And yes, the Asus Zenbook does look quite a bit like the Air.
What I take issue with are people who claim that only Apple innovates, while other companies are only capable of copying. People who applaud Apple's overly jealous and, frankly, rather petty IP attacks over technology that has so much prior art it's not even funny. It's plain and simple ignorance and stupidity, and I'm amazed at the lengths otherwise intelligent sounding people will go through to justify their stance.
Or hell, like BernardSG basically saying that the Air was the first super thin laptop. Someone shows him the Vaio from 2004, and his only response is "LOL WHATEVER! The Air was the first super thin laptop".
You apparently don't remember what powerbooks used to cost with mediocre GPU's etc.
I vowed not to come back to this thread but as I'm being cited with some blatant distortion of what my point was...
1. As far as I remember, I have NEVER wrote anything like "the Air was the first super thin laptop". If you have evidence to the contrary, please go ahead and link.
2. My question asking who used such a design before (Tapered bottom) was a genuine one. And indeed, the VAIO had it.
3. However, the point being hotly debated here is whether some PC-makers are downright imitating the MBA, for example:
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and the latter as compared to:
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My view is that there's a case of "inspiration" (or "influence") and cases of "imitation" (not to say "copying" that has legal connotation in such context).
I leave it to each person to objectively decide which is which.
Exactly how do you expect them to make a laptop that thin anyway else. Its simply physics that dictates that design.
Lookup Raymond Loewy, in his time as famous or more famous than Jony Ives. He was asked for help in a court case where a design was copied and the company doing the copying used exactly this as defense. He appeared one week later in court with _three_ completely different designs that all worked just fine
So ask yourself: If Jony Ives suddenly didn't like his design anymore, do you think he would say "I don't like it anymore but we're stuck with it; it's simply physics that dictates the design", or would he say "I don't like it anymore, so I'll make a different design"?
Lookup Raymond Loewy, in his time as famous or more famous than Jony Ives
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So what if everyone is copying one another? All I care is that I get my new iPhone and MacBook Pro upgrade every year. Does HP or Acer ripping off Apple or vice versa make your device less usable or cool?