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No. A crash is a software fault. This is a hardware fault. The fact that plugging in may be required to get them to power back on shows that it is not a crash. Instead, the power control hardware needs to be reset (by plugging in).
A shutdown needs time as it waits for all the applications to close. A shutdown is when you power off your iPhone and you see the spinning wheel for a few seconds. That does not happen in the critical situation of a power failure. Of course, this can be easliy proven with logs.
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You know how a CPU has a max temp, if that is reached, the system crahses .... there is no time for a system imitated shutdown , it has to be instant to save the CPU !! What the user sees is a system crash.
Ever seen a computer crash?
And .... still deflecting.... answer my question, did Apple introduce throttling ?
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Spot on. It's just deflecting , and moving the topic away from the fact throttling has been added .
You are confusing a software controlled shutdown with a hardware shutdown. The power control circuits can immediately shut down the device by setting the voltage to the cpu to zero to prevent damage. They don’t wait for software to save things because the time that would take is an eternity when you are worried about damage caused by unreliable current supply.
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Thermal shutdown isn’t a “crash.” But I don’t disagree with your sentiment.
A crash is a crash no matter what caused it. I am not into the details enough to sort out whether or not it was hardware or software in the long run.
I stand by my gut, it hasn't failed me yet.
News break, Throttling is a new concept never before seen in other consumer devices. More at 11.
[doublepost=1514822726][/doublepost]Lets focus on the issues instead of semantics.
[doublepost=1514822726][/doublepost]Lets focus on the issues instead of semantics.
I agree. But still, behind the hardware shutdown due to power failure you have a crashed OS
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You’re entitled to your opinion but not to your facts. A crash is a software fault. Not only is the CAUSE different than the shutdown, but the RESULT is different. A crash does not power off the device.
And...still using rhetorical devices...because you don't have any facts...and your goal is to muddy the waters, not learn anything about the issue.
I already answered your question in detail. iOS uses throttling in situations that would otherwise result in an auto shutdown. It's unlikely a standard application would require throttling unless the device was below nominal voltage (i.e., below 20% charge in a non-EOL battery). That's when the voltage available to the CPU begins a steep drop below nominal levels due to the limitations of lithium ion battery design.
If you were sincere in your approach to the issue, you would have already acknowledge that many of the things you've posted about aren't accurate.
Maybe but not necessarily. The OS could have been executing the correct instructions perfectly right up to the CPU clock tick where the power to the device is shut off. No engineer would say the OS crashed in that situation. It would be like saying you died of a heart attack when you were decapitated. It’s cute wordplay but it isn’t very helpful in describing what happened.I agree. But still behind the hardware shutdown due to power failure you have a crashed OS
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I assume this is being sarcastic? Because throttling is commonly used in many devices. I believe every device I worked on from the mid-90’s was designed to adjust current demand based on input power condition. What’s new here appears to be basing the throttling decision on battery condition and not instantaneously detected power supply variations.
It's New Years. Everyone forgot about throttling already. So, what do you want to see from Apple this year?!
I agree. But still behind the hardware shutdown due to power failure you have a crashed OS
Incorrect. The OS doesn't crash. The system shuts down because the battery can't provide enough voltage to the CPU. If I hold the power button on my iMac while it's running normally, that doesn't crash the OS...it cuts the power.
Yep, got it now. I remember from Windows OS when there is a power cut, after you turn the system back on, it reports into logs that a unexpected shutdown took place.
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A crash is an unwanted or unexpected ceasing of the function of the equipment. You can define it and debate the semantics all you want. But to me, and probably many others, that is a crash.
IMO when they knew about CERTAIN batches of phones that had bad batteries they tried to fix with free replacement of phone/batteries. When the did more digging they probably found out ALOT more were effected and decided to try to slip something past the customer with this update..
And that's the problem.. It's NOT a package deal. I or even a majority of consumer DON"T want big business or government making decision for us that THEY think is in our best interest.. We pay a premium for the devices. That doesn't give them a right to push THEIR agenda on a consumer..
I have an idea.. Pay the $1000 for the iPhone X and then pay a $10 a month administrative fee to Apple so they can make the decisions on how your phone should be used.. Once a buy a TV the TV manufacturer doesn't tell or make me use it a certain way. IT's used to its limitation buy they cannot tell you what/how it's best to use it once the point of sale is done.. Apple is way to over reaching and it's coming back to bite them in the ass..
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The electrical and computer engineering profession disagrees with you, as your definition conflates two very different types of faults with two very different sets of causes and consequences, but I’ve learned on the internet that everyone is an expert, so have it your way.
I NEVER claimed I was an expert. All this is purely personal experience. Save your time, you haven't convinced me yet and I don't expect you will be able to.
Though I guess I should point out that your definition excludes most actual crashes - when I run software and it crashes, the equipment does not “cease to function.” Heck, the OS doesn’t even cease to function nowadays.
But whatever.
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That’s my point. I’m an expert. I pointed out that the definition used in the field. I pointed out that your definition does not even work for the most common situation that everyone agrees is a crash(when software exits prematurely and unexpectedly). But you’ll stick to your definition because that’s the way the internet works.
They lied to you. Write Tim Cook then next step join a class action.
Their behavior then is no different than now which is to deny defect replacement and cover up battery defect with throttling.
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Wrong again, it's the way I work based on experience and research.
PS what you said in your first post, isn't that EXACTLY what is happening to the iPhone, IE the equipment ceases to function?
And how do you explain that even "nowadays", sometimes the OS DOES cease to function.