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How many times in the last decade has that happened?

Versus how many quarters have analysts claimed Apple had fallen short of some imaginary goal, and then it turns out they didn’t?

I’m simply playing the OVERWHELMING odds.

And when you resort to personal attacks like you just did, it proves you don’t know what you are talking about.

Apple failed to deliver a killer product at a $999 price point which is too high for the average consumer. Now add the throttling issue and aren’t making any friends wirh their loyal customer base. There’s a reason they omitted the iPhone X from their 4th quarter report on purpose.
 
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Apple failed to deliver a killer product at a $999 price point which is too high for the average consumer. Now add the throttling issue and aren’t making any friends wirh their loyal customer base. There’s a reason they omitted the iPhone X from their 4th quarter report on purpose.

Yeah, here’s the reason: “Pre-orders for the iPhone X opened in late Oct. and the phone hits retail on Nov. 3, which means this report doesn't include any iPhone X unit sales.”
 
The whole point of the slowdowns is to avoid unwanted shutdowns and all the inconveniences that come with it. It's fine to be sitting in front of your computer and go "I am fine with random shutdowns" and it's another when your phone actually does shut down when you are trying to do something important like call for emergency services or dial an Uber because you are in a hurry.

A slower phone is better than a phone you can't actually use, and I don't see Apple ever allowing its users to make that choice.


Any non-battery related slowdowns is likely due to the older hardware not being able to support the newer software, not Apple deliberately going out of their way to screw over with your devices. Take the iPhone 4 for example. It barely ran iOS 7, and that's just because it's specs simply couldn't keep up, and software optimisation can only go so far.

Between iOS9 and iOS what Would you say was so new that iPhone5s couldn't run ? The same between IOS 10 and IOS11, what is for you that feature that slow down the entire phone?
 
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Of course no one knows how this really works but will still bloviate as though they know exactly what’s going on and what Apple’s movtives were. And of course it’s always to screw people over and provide a horrible customer experience because apparently in the eyes of some, Apple customers like crappy experiences and that keeps them coming back to buy more Apple products. I have yet to see anyone explain though how a poor customer experience keeps customer retention high. Which leads me to believe these people think Apple customers are stupid or lemmings or iSheep. There’s no other way to explain it.

What a ridiculous assessment; don't go to law school. The allegation is plainly that Apple would have insidiously throttled devices without their customers' knowledge and consent, which would make it more likely for a customer to purchase a new device. Apple would rely on customer loyalty and the fact that the customer would (as any consumer would not just Apple customers) assume degradation in performance over a year or two was a normal occurrence of product aging, not a deliberate action by the very company they patronized. The fact that the customer did not know what Apple was doing and could reasonably expect a device to degrade somewhat over time completely nullifies your absurd argument that Apple's plan was to give the customer a "crappy experience" and let them be aware of it- the reality couldn't be further from the truth and such an asinine premise undermines nuance. The primary issue with what Apple did is that it was kept secret and the consumer was given no option; if this was really in the best interest of the customer, Apple would have made it known long ago.. end of story, full stop.
 
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What a ridiculous assessment; don't go to law school. The allegation is plainly that Apple would have insidiously throttled devices without their customers' knowledge and consent, which would make it more likely for a customer to purchase a new device. Apple would rely on customer loyalty and the fact that the customer would (as any consumer would not just Apple customers) assume degradation in performance over a year or two was a normal occurrence of product aging, not a deliberate action by the very company they patronized. The fact that the customer did not know what Apple was doing and could reasonably expect a device to degrade somewhat over time completely nullifies your absurd argument that Apple's plan was to give the customer a "crappy experience" and let them be aware of it- the reality couldn't be further from the truth and such an asinine premise undermines nuance. The primary issue with what Apple did is that it was kept secret and the consumer was given no option; if this was really in the best interest of the customer, Apple would have made it known long ago.. end of story, full stop.
Not a defense of apple, but if you buy apple expecting apple to give you a choice, you dont understand apple.
 
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You sound like a complete idiot or a terrible comedian if this is sarcasm. The Samsung battery issue had nothing to do with throttling, and if you really believe limiting processing performance to prevent spikes in power consumption is an Apple trade secret (LMAO!!), you're some kind of nadir on the universal stupidity scale.

If any bit of the absolute nonsensical rubbish you have spewed forth had an iota of truth, dare I ask how Samsung and Google have collectively released 5 new devices before Apple had to spill the beans on the throttling secrets, and yet have had no "battery torches"?
Apple used to buy all their batteries from Samsung their devises were working good then. they should try doing it again.
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Apple used to buy all their batteries from Samsung their devises were working good then. they should try doing it again.
Luckily they still use Samsung's high quality screens and memory.
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Apple used to buy all their batteries from Samsung their devises were working good then. they should try doing it again.
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Luckily they still use Samsung's high quality screens and memory.
The cheap Chinese batteries they are using now just don't cut it. You can buy them online for about $2 apiece.
 
Apple used to buy all their batteries from Samsung their devises were working good then. they should try doing it again.
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Luckily they still use Samsung's high quality screens and memory.
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The cheap Chinese batteries they are using now just don't cut it. You can buy them online for about $2 apiece.
first of all, chinese people make everything, and as a chinese person, this is pretty insulting in 2018.

second of all, samsung just had an exploding battery fiasco like a year ago.

third of all, nothing about the reporting surrounding this issue has anything to do with the quality of the batteries so refer to point one.
 
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Does anyone know if Apple will change out the battery on my 6s if I'm still on iOS 9.3.5? Do they even check what iOS your phone is currently on or does it even matter??
 
Does anyone know if Apple will change out the battery on my 6s if I'm still on iOS 9.3.5? Do they even check what iOS your phone is currently on or does it even matter??

Apple will want you to update to the latest ios version. I had my genius bar appointment today and of course they are out of batteries. They will call me in 3 plus weeks when they get the batteries back in stock to setup another appointment to have the battery replaced. Apple store has now turned into a service center.
 
Apple will want you to update to the latest ios version. I had my genius bar appointment today and of course they are out of batteries. They will call me in 3 plus weeks when they get the batteries back in stock to setup another appointment to have the battery replaced. Apple store has now turned into a service center.
Ok thanks...I wonder if I can buy a battery kit and change it myself?
 
Is it easy to install?

UPDATE...

I installed the iFixit replacement battery yesterday. It made a measurable improvement in my phone's CPU Geekbench scores. (See before and after scores below) In addition to that, I hope that the new battery won't mysteriously discharge in rapid fashion like its predecessor. Recently, the old battery went from fully charged (100%) to 64% in less than an hour, to 24% minutes later. This is despite the fact that the battery had less than 250 charge cycles and a capacity of 84% of its designed capacity. In other words, my old battery would pass Apple's diagnostic test.

Having replaced the battery myself, I do not recommend most people attempt it. The procedure is simple. You remove a half dozen screws and break the adhesives attaching the display and battery. However, you must be patient and prepared to solve some of the potential issues that can arise. For example, the adhesives didn't give; I had to use a hairdryer to soften them. Furthermore, you need good eyesight and a steady hand; the screws are as small as gnats (no exaggeration). What was described as a 20 minute task took me 2+ hours!

P.S. The old battery's Geekbench test was performed when the battery was fully charged (the screen shot is from the app's history; it was made later, hence the battery percentage discrepancy in the margins). The replacement battery's test was performed while it had only a 50% charge (they arrive only partially charged).

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UPDATE...

I installed the iFixit replacement battery yesterday. It made a measurable improvement in my phone's CPU Geekbench scores. (See before and after scores below) In addition to that, I hope that the new battery won't mysteriously discharge in rapid fashion like its predecessor. Recently, the old battery went from fully charged (100%) to 64% in less than an hour, to 24% minutes later. This is despite the fact that the battery had less than 250 charge cycles and a capacity of 84% of its designed capacity. In other words, my old battery would pass Apple's diagnostic test.

Having replaced the battery myself, I do not recommend most people attempt it. The procedure is simple. You remove a half dozen screws and break the adhesives attaching the display and battery. However, you must be patient and prepared to solve some of the potential issues that can arise. For example, the adhesives didn't give; I had to use a hairdryer to soften them. Furthermore, you need good eyesight and a steady hand; the screws are as small as gnats (no exaggeration). What was described as a 20 minute task took me 2+ hours!

P.S. The old battery's Geekbench test was performed when the battery was fully charged. The replacement battery's test was performed while it had only a 50% charge (they arrive only partially charged).

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I know what you mean, before I got my 6s I had a iPhone 5 and after 2 yrs I bought the kit and changed it myself. It was pretty easy to do the iPhone 5 but you should have seen my table it was like I was going to perform surgery. It only took about 45 mins and yes those screws are microscopic. The hardest part on the 5 was getting the glass to unseal from the frame, thought I would break the glass with the included suction cup.

I won't attempt the 6s Taptic bar and too much other stuff added that could go wrong.
 
UPDATE...

I installed the iFixit replacement battery yesterday. It made a measurable improvement in my phone's CPU Geekbench scores. (See before and after scores below) In addition to that, I hope that the new battery won't mysteriously discharge in rapid fashion like its predecessor.

iFixit battery warranty is 1 year whereas Apple battery replacement warranty is only 3 months. iFixit wins with better warranty which implies better quality product and more integrity.
 
So, you're saying that anyone who buys a laptop is just doing it so they can look cooler at the coffee shop? Suppose you're a student who needs to do work on a computer between classes without going home, or someone who travels constantly for work and doesn't want to have to schlep around an iMac?

Also the claim that laptops are more prone to failure and manufacturing defects than any comparable desktop sounds plausibile, but *citation needed*; i.e. where's the data betch?

If you want to bench it, go an sit for a week or two in any Apple Store and count the number of customers bringing in to the Genius Bar their laptops vs desktop then apply a correction to your sample for the higher population of laptops than desktops see if the hypothesis holds up for reasonable Beta and Alpha, and make your own mind.

Not everyone should get a desktop, but for most people is the right choice. Very few people, those that are always on the move need a laptop. It’s cheaper and more efficient to have two devices a desktop to do most of the work and a iPad for light mobile work. What most people don’t realize is that when they compare a desktop to a laptop, they start by increasing the specs of the desktop vs the laptop and they end comparing the price of apples to oranges.

The iMac design as any other desktop including the Mac Pro (I own one) is always a compromise but in most cases it’s a more than reasonable compromise –leaving a lot of headroom– between board, components size, active and passive thermal design to account with enough tolerance in component variations, manufacturing errors and usage in suboptimal conditions that most will not present an stress problem for more than the expected useful life of the product.

But in the case of a portable design starts with the specific goal of maximizing out three mostly incompatible factors: performance, battery autonomy and lightness and everything that can contribute to this goal is secondary. To achieve the goal set most parts are stressed to almost their limits with little headroom to account for manufacturing mistakes by component makers, Apple itself or its usage in suboptimal conditions. This reality makes laptops to generally have a shorter lifespan and MTBF than an equivalent spec desktop.
 
Is there a timetable on this? (i.e. is this offer available indefinitely at this price?)
 
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