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So? Are you saying that every Apple app that comes pre-installed on the iPhone should be 100% free to use or ad-free? Apple TV/TV+ should be 100% free and ad-free because you purchased an iPhone? Apple Music should be 100% free and ad-free because you purchased an iPhone?
TV+ and Apple Music do not have ads. Would you be ok with Appel monetizing search in Spotlight? Or every time someone asks Siri for information?
 
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TV+ and Apple Music do not have ads. Would you be ok with Appel monetizing search in Spotlight? Or every time someone asks Siri for information?
If apple is stupid about implementing this they could face a net. The questions you’re asking is akin to:”would one be okay with ads in windows notepad”?
 
now THAT would be a problem. Paid search results is a minor annoyance but ads to unlock your phone would be a huge problem. Good thing they are only considering the minor annoyance.

Acceptance of the minor annoyances is what eventually leads to acceptance of the "huge problem", which by then is just another minor annoyance since you accepted all of the minor annoyances leading up to it. They don't just drop these things on you, they drip-drip-drip them on you so you can tell yourself "oh well, it's only a small change" at each step.
 
Acceptance of the minor annoyances is what eventually leads to acceptance of the "huge problem", which by then is just another minor annoyance since you accepted all of the minor annoyances leading up to it. They don't just drop these things on you, they drip-drip-drip them on you so you can tell yourself "oh well, it's only a small change" at each step.

"Boiling the frog" it's called I believe
 
So it doesn’t need ads, Apple just wants even more money.

It "needs" ads in hopes of generating more revenue and profits which are common corporate goals. Apple also "needs" Macs, iPads, iPhones, Apple Watches, AirPods, etc. in hopes of generating more revenue and profits.


TV+ and Apple Music do not have ads. Would you be ok with Appel monetizing search in Spotlight? Or every time someone asks Siri for information?

That's why I said OR as in ad-free OR subscription.

Whether I am "ok" with it is irrelevant. My point was that just because a particular app came with an iPhone doesn't mean it should automatically be 100% free to use OR ad-free.

In the case of Apple Maps, you don't even need to buy an Apple device or pay Apple anything to use it as it's also available (currently in Public Beta) on non-Apple platforms for "free."
 
It "needs" ads in hopes of generating more revenue and profits which are common corporate goals. Apple also "needs" Macs, iPads, iPhones, Apple Watches, AirPods, etc. in hopes of generating more revenue and profits.

Selling hardware to customers is not the same thing as pushing ADs on them

In the former, the hardware is the product

In the latter, the customer is the product
 
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Steve Jobs absolutely would have put ads in Maps. But the fact is, Apple putting ads in their apps (Stocks, Maps, Podcasts, Weather, etc) blurs why we bought into the Apple ecosystem over Google's Android.
I bought into the Apple ecosystem decades ago, due to their accessibility features and stances.
Other than the occasional annoyance here and there, they have so far not let me down.
I have never been under the impression that iOS doesn’t, hasn’t, and will never have advertisements. Of course it does, it always has, and it probably always will.
Like I said earlier, the fact that maps hasn’t had paid search result placement since 2012 is the more shocking thing than The fact that they are working on it.
My first iPod touch had advertisements in the App Store, advertisements in the iTunes Store and music app, advertisements in the game center application, etc.
In fact, because it was iOS 4, it also ironically had advertisements in the Maps app, thank you Google.
So no, I have never been under the impression that advertising has been above Apple. I don’t know where people would have gotten that impression other than Steve Jobs once said “we don’t like ads”… in the middle of an apple presentation which by the way is basically just… an ad.
 
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Incorrect. Apple stock is up around 35% versus one year ago.
Citation please, I gave a screenshot of looking up apple stock on Google with a duration of "YTD" year to date showing 0.31%. Same on yahoo finance website.
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TV+ and Apple Music do not have ads. Would you be ok with Appel monetizing search in Spotlight? Or every time someone asks Siri for information?
TV+ and Apple Music both have advertisements. I’m sorry to say.
Apple TV’s front page is pretty much nothing but an advertisement, and even once you play an original it still shows you previews of other shows before your original actually starts. Not to mention they are always trying to get you to sign up for one of their channels, purchase something from their store, and you can’t get rid of that annoying MLS tab.
Apple Music is always sending me notifications of something that I don’t want or don’t need or some album that I’ve already listened to, plus 2 of the five tabs at the bottom of the screen are almost completely controlled by record labels. They control what appears in the “new” tab, they can pay for playlist priority, and yes, even in search results as well much like being described in maps here. I even got a notification last weekend from Apple Music telling me about the halftime show. The Apple Music Super Bowl halftime show. It was literally an advertisement.
The idea that Apple’s services don’t have advertisements is laughable.
 
It seems like the apps from the state government and local transit agency are literally going to be better options.

It’s sad when the government will be doing a better job than Apple. But so far my transit agency app blows Apple Maps out of the water. My local 511 app can be a replacement for driving directions. No ads on either.
 
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It seems like the apps from the state government and local transit agency are literally going to be better options.

It’s sad when the government will be doing a better job than Apple. But so far my transit agency app blows Apple Maps out of the water. My local 511 app can be a replacement for driving directions. No ads on either.

Similarly, I end up using ABRP more than any other map app

(it's for EVs to plan out routes w/ charging stops)
 
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Seems like it’s inevitable as there are already ads in News, Stocks, Podcasts, and Weather (not sure if those are ads or news).
 
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Selling hardware to customers is not the same thing as pushing ADs on them

In the former, the hardware is the product

In the latter, the customer is the product

The similarly was that both (all) serve the purpose of trying to generate revenue and profits for the company. Apple sells hardware/software, sells services, sells ads, charges app store fees/commissions, etc. with the goal of generating revenue and profits for the company.
 
The similarly was that both (all) serve the purpose of trying to generate revenue and profits for the company. Apple sells hardware/software, sells services, sells ads, charges app store fees/commissions, etc. with the goal of generating revenue and profits for the company.

Right - I understood

I just don't think, from our perspective as customers, we should so readily accept "being the product" and batch the two categories.

Hardware, Services, Software, App Store purchases -- that's all to our benefit and we participate in it by choice

ADs -- are different
They are selling US to other buyers

I recognize and agree that to Apple, it's all "number going up"
 
They need to improve the satnav functionality. I had to stop using Apple Maps for directions because it was sending me all over the place.
 
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