Well... They do. I remember an interview with Steve Jobs where he said that they were aiming at 10% market share. They are at 12% today. (Don’t know the actual numbers because it’s not important to me.) So job well done.
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Disagree. It's not direct competition against the iPhone per Se, it's adding competition to the consumer market for variable cheaper choices with similar hardware. Furthermore, I think Huwaei will be more geared towards Samsung. Samsung also has an expansive line of phones they come in at a cheaper price range, which likely Huwaei will as well. And no, Apple won't lose sleep over this, but why would they? Huwaei hasn't even breached the U.S. Market yet and it's not an overnight race of the most phones sold.
Conversely it is difficult for Apple to compete with a company that originates in a system where the government colludes with or owns its businesses. The barriers to entry into China have been massively steep for Apple and other countries. The expensive process ensures they slowly bleed out concessions that give Chinese government and companies advantageous concessions in precious intellectual property. This article in WSJ (sorry it's behind a paywall) discusses that. https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas...-tech-firms-cave-to-beijings-rules-1502215101
Having said all that, some people here who own iPhones in China say Apple services and customer service over there leave something to be desired. Apple needs to bring their A game to services in China and other countries. I read enough complaints here that they don't.
That argument doesn't stand up. Imagine if every other phone was sold at cost and 95% of the World bought these Android phones. Now Apple would have 100% of the profits but 5% market share; would people still be talking about profits and be happy about that?
Profits and market share are not comparable.
Better competition= happier consumers.
But this year will be the biggest year by far for Apple and iPhone. For many reasons.
But this year will be the biggest year by far for Apple and iPhone. For many reasons.
His first act would be to attack America.
But let’s just hope it doesn’t come this far. It would be bad for everyone.
This I can't attest too. I don't question your claim, but I have read where services for consumers outside the U.S. Do not always have access to Apple direct or repair service centers, which can alter the customer experience. Especially where if a device is defective, I have read it can be an unpleasant experience to rectify the issue, where in the U.S., its make an appointment, walk/drive to a store, even mail your device in for repair. Convenience is something we are fortunate to have where other countries do not.
I really don't think you have ever laid your hands on a Huawei. Superamoled for years and offers the same or more for far less. I know several hardcore Apple users who ditched the iPhone for a Huawei. Far less restrictions and works with Mac and Windows out of the box. No need for cloud.
I'm happy for your parents they're happy. But for the most young people here in the Netherlands Apple is out of fashion and overpriced. Same in China.
I don't know what you're talking about the Zune being a bad product. Did you own one? I did, a Zune 2 anyway, and it was pretty good. The Zune software was on par with iTunes at the time (that was a big deal back then), the interface was decent and the screen was great for watching videos.
But by the time the Zune HD came out, I had moved on to an iPod Touch because it could do so much more. A few years later, it was all about smartphones and Microsoft had been left in the dust in the mobile race. If they had pushed into creating a good, solid mobile OS paired with some great hardware and links to Windows, I'd probably own both a Windows phone and Windows PCs today.
Microsoft dropped the ball on mobile big time, and because of that they're missing out on the newest revolution which is fully integrated ecosystems. My phone and my iPad and my MacBook and my iMac ALL WORK TOGETHER. Microsoft can't even start to do this because they have no mobile phone, which they didn't get into because the Zune was all about beating the iPod when the world was already moving on. This is why Apple doesn't care about marketshare or Huawei or whatever, because they have ecosystem locked in.
The last guy had it right.
Apple will never be able to be a big seller in China again. Why? They already have plenty of brands who offer what the "mighty iPhone 8" promise to offer for a fraction of the price. So who wants an iPhone besides using it as an status symbol for wealth (where Apple is counting on). If you're looking for best mobile phones don't look at Apple.
I think the complaint one of the MacRumors members made that stood out to me on another thread was there were persistent problems with cloud services and no effective route to report and seek remedy specifically for the problems he was having with his iCloud email address. He had other eloquently expressed reasonable complaints I don't recall offhand.
It will be interesting to see if Apple can get its feet under itself in China. Uber failed massively there, but when you read of some shady things they did there, they earned that failure. Ugh, Uber...not a company I want representing my country abroad, that's for sure! Better luck to Apple.
Just got my Wife the P10 Lite for a phone costing just £240 it's actually really really good and looks alot more expensive than it price suggests.
I do wonder how Huawei would do if they had phones with all U.S. carriers as well.
My first smartphone was a Huawei Ascend. I actually really like their devices. I'd buy another if I could afford a device outright.
Apple has been an okay experience for me but I really miss the days of modifying Android sometimes. Since Samsung started locking the bootloader in carrier locked devices, I haven't been keen on buying another device from them.
I'll always want an iPhone or iDevice but I really want another Huawei. Perhaps the Mate 9 when it drops in price. We'll see.
My first smartphone was a Huawei Ascend. I actually really like their devices. I'd buy another if I could afford a device outright.
Apple has been an okay experience for me but I really miss the days of modifying Android sometimes. Since Samsung started locking the bootloader in carrier locked devices, I haven't been keen on buying another device from them.
I'll always want an iPhone or iDevice but I really want another Huawei. Perhaps the Mate 9 when it drops in price. We'll see.
You would knowingly have spent money on a mobile product that is from a company that is struggling?
For instance would any of these struggling companies/products not have had an influence on whether you would by a mobile product from?:
Blackberry circa 2013,
Palm circa 2010
Nokia (Mobile) circa 2013-2014
Windows Phone
Motorola
Apple still has one ace in the hole: iOS. If Huaiwei had that going for them then Apple would probably care a lot more because Huawei make some nice handsets for a much better bargain.
And China is one of the faster growing consumer markets. It's a numbers game. 1.5 Billion Chinese consumers soon. Four time the number in the US and EU combined. And there is India with a population of 1.2 Billion.
You account for all the fatal flaws in the product, and describe why you moved on to a superior product, but still conclude it was pretty good? Anyway, we're not debating the merits of the Zune here.
You make the right point about market share. Pretty much what I've been saying from the start, and pretty much what I say every time we see another one of these market share/rank articles.
My theory is we've gotten used to expressing competition in consumer products as if it's a sporting event with a winner and losers because of the early days of the PC. Back then you could hardly read any tech publication where somebody wasn't calling Windows "the winner" and everything else (especially the Mac) "the loser." It was supposedly a fight to the death with only one possible survivor. It was the market meme before it was called a meme. It was the wrong way of thinking about competition then, and even wronger now.
No rational person can understand it -- but, indeed, Apple fundamentalists are proud of Apple's obscene profit margins.
As android sycophants are proud of android marketshare. Again going to the elusive rational person, can they understand this marketshare obsession?
Now that some conclusions were based on some general statements with painting some broad strokes, there is nowhere to go but up.
Well, as one person here mentioned, many buy just for the camera alone. So the notion that they have "more to offer" or a better build quality is laughable to say the least. In addition,almost every electronics or tech publication would disagree with you on your claims. Not that the so-called experts or journalists are the end all be all but please show me one expert, reviewer, journalist that claims Huawei has better build quality and overall specs....ha ha ha ha ha ha. Sorry, just even typing that made me laugh. From just 4 tech publications (I stopped at four as I was getting bored) not one rated Huawei in the top, or even close. their ratings for best phones of 2017 were
Iphone 7 plus Pixel XL Galaxy S8 HTC U11 LG G6
Galaxy S8 Iphone 7 plus Iphone 7 One Plus 5 Galaxy S8 Plus
Galaxy S8 Pixel XL Iphone 7 plus One Plus 5 HTC I11
Galaxy S8 LG G6 Iphone 7 plus One Plus 5 Moto Z2 Play
Notice, Huawei isnt listed in ANY. Thats pretty compelling. Now, Im not saying they dont make a nice phone. But when you come with statements like "Huawei has better specs and same quality built then the iPhone." Or "Their ability to innovate is beyond of apple's." Or " people can get the same quality "better from huawei"
Well, no offense, but your out of your freaking mind.
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