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You would knowingly have spent money on a mobile product that is from a company that is struggling?
For instance would any of these struggling companies/products not have had an influence on whether you would by a mobile product from?:
Blackberry circa 2013,
Palm circa 2010
Nokia (Mobile) circa 2013-2014
Windows Phone
Motorola
If the product met my value proposition then yes, I absolutely would have. Wanna know why? Because all of those products from the companies you mentioned have one thing in common. They continued to work long after their respective companies had financial problems. None (afaik) of the phones lost network connections or an ability to do the things they could do when I (hypothetically) purchased them.
 
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I’m amazed at how much space Apple rumor sites give to reports about smartphone shipments. No vendor outside of Apple reliably supplies sales figures so these are all guesses and estimates based on supply chain rumors or firms like IDC that back in 2011 claimed Windows Phone would have larger market share than iOS right now.
 
If the product met my value proposition then yes, I absolutely would have. Wanna know why? Because all of those products from the companies you mentioned have one thing in common. They continued to work long after their respective companies had financial problems. None (afaik) of the phones lost network connections or an ability to do the things they could do when I (hypothetically) purchased them.
You can understand that others may want to go with a company that has a stronger outlook.
Based on forum comments from owners of those other manufacturers, the sentiment was most were not happy that there preferred device had no future.
 
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There are some very sour souls in here who refuse to pay the premium for a premium phone.
 
Good to see that the Chinese buy locally built phones in such numbers
And a good reason why Apple should price more competitively if they want to own a significant share of the Chinese market as well as avoid significant market erosion elsewhere in the world, including the US. If you have Chinese-built phones from Chinese manufacturers that are of equal quality and features to Chinese-built iPhones, why not? Some Apple fans will say what about iOS? Millions of Chinese consumers will answer 'so what'? All of my favorite apps work on Android, in some cases more of them. I can take great photos, videos, whatever I want to do. I'm also being patriotic. A win-win situation.
 
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Well... They do. I remember an interview with Steve Jobs where he said that they were aiming at 10% market share. They are at 12% today. (Don’t know the actual numbers because it’s not important to me.) So job well done.
News flash.
Jobs has passed.
New era.
 
This is irrelevant without note of the target markets. Apple could care less about the $100-$600 phone target range, which huawei has occupied for a while. Huawei is trying to move into higher tiers, but until they successfully do... this doesn't matter.
 
I really don't understand why you saying this so proudly. The reason Apple is making such an huge amount of money is because they let their buyers pay too much for their products. Apple has lost its crown as making the best mobile phone since last your but still wears the crown for most expensive phones. You could get so much better these days for almost half the price elsewhere.

Funny, I don't see where reviewers say Apple lost its crown last year...and I don't see competing flagships at anywhere near half the price.
 
Oh no... Apple might drop from 2nd place to 3rd place in the smartphone market.

Does this ranking matter in other industries?

Did anyone notice that Honda is currency the #7 automaker worldwide?

Pathetic, right? :p
 
You can understand that others may want to go with a company that has a stronger outlook.
Based on forum comments from owners of those other manufacturers, the sentiment was most were not happy that there preferred device had no future.
I can definitely understand that sentiment from others. There's nothing wrong with it either. To each his own. But you specifically asked me about my thoughts. :)
 
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I can definitely understand that sentiment from others. There's nothing wrong with it either. To each his own. But you specifically asked me about my thoughts. :)
Yes I did ask about your thoughts and offered an alternative reason in lieu of this:
I do get a giggle out of the people who take it as a point of pride that Apple makes larger profits, as if it somehow validates them somehow.
It could be said in a way it does validate them as they made the right choice, in their opinion, of going with a company who has good profits, thus resulting in their product being around and supported.
 
I just had to add this, as I have seen this bandied about a lot of places....

"Huawei has been making an aggressive push into Europe and Canada"

No doubt they have, but that info is useless and doesnt ever back up the point the article tries to make. (And I have seen it in a lot of articles) You can aggressively push all day long. If it doesnt translate to sales, it means nothing. Lots of things get "aggressively pushed" and no one buys them. (Im talking to you Pono Player) Can we please see some data on the results of this push???? It may be going great for all I know. Im just sick of hearing about the big push and not seeing any data. Makes me think its a failure when places do that.
 
"Huawei has been making an aggressive push into Europe and Canada"

No doubt they have, but that info is useless and doesnt ever back up the point the article tries to make. (And I have seen it in a lot of articles) You can aggressively push all day long. If it doesnt translate to sales, it means nothing. Lots of things get "aggressively pushed" and no one buys them. (Im talking to you Pono Player) Can we please see some data on the results of this push???? It may be going great for all I know. Im just sick of hearing about the big push and not seeing any data. Makes me think its a failure when places do that.

According to the article... Huawei might soon become the 2nd largest smartphone OEM by volume worldwide.

A couple years ago they weren't even in the Top 5

Aren't those some results?
 
For the Chinese, every phone is locally built.

Name a major phone brand NOT manufactured in China.

There's a notable difference between a company from Taiwan slapping a salary to Chinese workers who often don't know if they're coming or going compared to all/most of the money top to bottom staying within the country.
 
Isn't this essentially the same article as a few days ago with a different click-bait headline?

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/04/huawei-att-tentative-sales-agreement/

I said it there and I'll say it here... Nothing to see. Huawei is just another Android handset maker. A large one to be sure, but it makes no difference to Apple whatsoever. If you're an iPhone/iOS user, Huawei isn't going to change the game for you at all. Not even a little bit. They'll just be one more of the hundreds of varieties of Android phones sitting on carriers shelves. Huawei IS competition for Samsung, not for Apple.

There's really just iOS/Apple, and all the Android phones/manufacturers. This doesn't change that dynamic in the least.

Among all current iPhone owners, only ~50% at most are diehards. Similarly, among the current Android owners, only 10-20% are diehards. The rest of the market is where Apple DO NEED to compete with all of the Android brands.
 
Yes I did ask about your thoughts and offered an alternative reason in lieu of this:

It could be said in a way it does validate them as they made the right choice, in their opinion, of going with a company who has good profits, thus resulting in their product being around and supported.
You bolded and italicized one sentence out of my quote and asked a question about it. I answered that question. I'm not sure how I was supposed to know something in your question had to do with my second sentence. Apologies, I guess I misunderstood the full question you were asking. But I'll address the second question. It has nothing to do with the confirmation bias you're alluding to in your quote. "I bought this product from a healthy company who will be around to support it. I made the right decision." I get that. But I'm not talking about that person. I'm talking about the ra-ra Apple makes the most profit, I buy Apple, therefore I am better person. I think you know the type I'm referencing. Those are the ones who make me giggle. To be clear, even though they make me giggle I don't think there's anything wrong with them feeling that way. It's their prerogative. It's just funny to me cuz I don't get that type of feeling about a company.
 
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Third, rank doesn't matter, not even a little.

What matters is how many are sold, not in comparison to anyone else, and how much profit is made from those sales.
Going down to 3rd will make waves on Wall St. Hold will become 'Sell' in double quick time. That is the sort of thing that Apple has to worry about.
Now a few reports of slurping and phoning home might counter that ;);)
 
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Ask & you shall receive! ;);)

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I audibly laughed. The visual just makes it funnier to me. Thanks for that. The timing of my comment and Abazigal's comment couldn't have been better if we planned it.
 
I bought a P10 just because it was so darn cheap and it's by far the best value phone I've seen. Great camera with actually great software and it's really fast considering the price (nowhere near iPhone 7, but really, that is over the top for a mobile phone you do light surfing and email with). Android usually gets on my nerves but the Huawei UI is actually really good and does away with some of the "you-can-do-that-in-a-million-ways"-hysteria that's usually the Android curse.
I really need a dual SIM phone, I will not drag along 2 phones every day (work and private) so the iPhone isn't really an option but my wife has an iPhone and a lot of my friends, but I see no reason to move over to iOS again.

I couldn't go back to an OS that has no real user accessible file system. It's way too limiting. I'd say that's my biggest grievance with iOS. And I'm not sure that iOS11 will do the trick.

Huawei seems to sell like hot cakes here you see a lot more of them just in the last few months, it's really picking up speed. I guess since the days of big subsidizes on phones are gone, people tend to be more sensitive to the price of their handset.
 
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