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Apple May Have Quietly Addressed 'Flexgate' in 2018 MacBook Pros
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My 2017 13-inch - less than a year in: spacebar is starting to be sticky, graphics is going crazy in Fusion/Resolve.
The worst is the glitches are being rendered, not only displayed
Counting Powerbooks I'm probably on my Apple laptop #20. Absolutely no problems before.
They are not only completely not reliable anymore, they are more expensive every year.
As someone mentioned in another thread - you can get 64GB of RAM in a Lenovo P1 for almost the same money
Apple wants for 32GB (64GB not available). 32GB in Lenovo is 3x less expensive. Same RAM.
We are talking probably the most expensive PC brand.
Better screens, better graphics, 64GB RAM. All that for much less money.
When MBP was a great reliable machine, I paid the Apple tax. Now - it simply makes zero sense.
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My 2017 13-inch - less than a year in: spacebar is starting to be sticky, graphics is going crazy in Fusion/Resolve.
The worst is the glitches are being rendered, not only displayed
Counting Powerbooks I'm probably on my Apple laptop #20. Absolutely no problems before.
They are not only completely not reliable anymore, they are more expensive every year.
As someone mentioned in another thread - you can get 64GB of RAM in a Lenovo P1 for almost the same money
Apple wants for 32GB (64GB not available). 32GB in Lenovo is 3x less expensive. Same RAM.
We are talking probably the most expensive PC brand.
Better screens, better graphics, 64GB RAM. All that for much less money.
When MBP was a great reliable machine, I payed the Apple tax. Now - it simply makes zero sense.
2016 MBP, Double keypress all the time, blown left speaker, making strange noises when heating up, battery life in sleep mode very poor, touch bar
160 laptops, 20 affected, that is a defect rate of 12.5%
125.000x more than 0.0001%
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There is so much more. They offer i9 in their 2018 MBP, but it's limited some crazy way,
so it's slower than i7. They want you to pay $400 or more for a slower machine.
They still include the horrible graphics options as standard, vega 20 - another $400.
T2 made everything so unreliable, it's not even funny and there is no other way
as they include it in everything. They know it's broken, but keep putting it in.
Same about keyboards, 4 or more years, broken as hell - no reaction.
The "fix" is simply getting the same keyboard. It's insane.
But they put billions into cars and TV shows...
so it's slower than i7. They want you to pay $400 or more for a slower machine.
They still include the horrible graphics options as standard, vega 20 - another $400.
T2 made everything so unreliable, it's not even funny and there is no other way
as they include it in everything. They know it's broken, but keep putting it in.
Same about keyboards, 4 or more years, broken as hell - no reaction.
The "fix" is simply getting the same keyboard. It's insane.
But they put billions into cars and TV shows...
When did Apple acknowledge the keyboard issues? AFAIK they only tried to quietly fix the issue in new laptops under the excuse of making it "quieter" not "less likely to fail".
Apple has an extended keyboard replacement program. In this link they more or less (PR speak) acknowledge the problem:
https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-macbook-and-macbook-pro/
Tim Cook would put asbestos in Macs if it made them cheaper to make.
When i was looking to upgrade from a 2017 13 inch (ntb) to 2018 15 inch i read lot's of issues here. This stopped me from buying a new laptop until i realized exactly this.
My 2017 was 1,5 years old and didn't have a single problem with it. Now i have the 2018 15 inch (2,6 Ghz base model) and have no problems yet.
The previous Apple products i have owned (iMacs, Macbooks and iPhones) never had any problems for me. Except an iPhone 5c which had a expanded battery. But that was probably because i decided to fall from the stairs with it and the iPhone making a fall from 2,5 meters
Replaced the battery and worked like a charm.Ofcourse this can all change. But for now my Macbook Pro 2018, iPhone X and my wifes iPhone Xs work perfectly.
There are many incorrect posts on this site but yours is in the running for most incorrect.
Not that obvious. "Mine works perfect" people is quite vocal too
People tense to be less vocal when they can just walk in to an Apple Store for help.
Still, I prefer not having to go in the first place.
Apple is the only brand I had to go and exchange computers. 15MBP 2018 x 2/ 13MBP 2018 x 1 in order to get a workable machine.
This is all within 1 month... It gotten to the point where, I have decided against going full Apple.
Just in case, I need to make sure I can move out of Apple ecosystem at any time.
Basically Apple devices without using most of Apple services. (including imessage, password manager, safari, icloud and anything related to it etc.)
Still, I prefer not having to go in the first place.
Apple is the only brand I had to go and exchange computers. 15MBP 2018 x 2/ 13MBP 2018 x 1 in order to get a workable machine.
This is all within 1 month... It gotten to the point where, I have decided against going full Apple.
Just in case, I need to make sure I can move out of Apple ecosystem at any time.
Basically Apple devices without using most of Apple services. (including imessage, password manager, safari, icloud and anything related to it etc.)
I agree. It is fair to say I would not expect hardware issues for at 3 years and when you pay at the prices Apple sells it for.
iFixit reports that Apple may have already taken steps to reduce the likelihood of 2018 MacBook Pro users experiencing display lighting issues dubbed Flexgate.
Article Link: Apple May Have Quietly Addressed 'Flexgate' in 2018 MacBook Pros
It doesn't inspire confidence the solution was found when it is reported "Apple may have already taken steps to reduce"... I would have preferred they found a solution to eliminate the issue. Is the issue the length of the cable or the lack of durability?
Hey, let’s face it. Apple IS a premium product. I pay a little more because I expect more.
My last MBP suffered a screen failure less than a month after the warranty expired. Pay up, sucker was all I got. Still, I didn’t beat feat. I AM a die hard fan. I admit it. The general public, not so much. The road Apple is going down kinda reminds me of Sears, or Sony at their peak. Hubris. The fan boys like me will come back, the general public won’t stand for it as long. Fan boys will tolerate a lot more than the general public. In the long run, it will cost them.
It’s a shame, it’s still a decent product, but the issues with my last MPB did leave a bad taste in my mouth and had I not been one of the “flock” I probably would have gone elsewhere for my newest laptop. Given the control Apple has over the software across the spectrum of devices offered does help. 99% of the time, this stuff works.
But, I feel as though I’m paying for a Lexus or Infinity of the computer world. I should get service commiserate with the coin I lay out...
My last MBP suffered a screen failure less than a month after the warranty expired. Pay up, sucker was all I got. Still, I didn’t beat feat. I AM a die hard fan. I admit it. The general public, not so much. The road Apple is going down kinda reminds me of Sears, or Sony at their peak. Hubris. The fan boys like me will come back, the general public won’t stand for it as long. Fan boys will tolerate a lot more than the general public. In the long run, it will cost them.
It’s a shame, it’s still a decent product, but the issues with my last MPB did leave a bad taste in my mouth and had I not been one of the “flock” I probably would have gone elsewhere for my newest laptop. Given the control Apple has over the software across the spectrum of devices offered does help. 99% of the time, this stuff works.
But, I feel as though I’m paying for a Lexus or Infinity of the computer world. I should get service commiserate with the coin I lay out...
Perhaps only for the USA ?
Since asbestos use is still legal there LOL...
MADE IN THE USA ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-proposal-on-asbestos-critics-outraged/
And as long as you continue to pay for that level of quality and don't receive it, Apple has no incentive to do anything differently.
Most Apple customers are not much different than the hardcore fans. They're locked into the ecosystem and while they grumble about things like the loss of the headphone jack on the iPhone, a notch, high prices, they still buy the product. There's a current dip in iPhone sales due to the high price, but that is only temporary. Those holdouts will need to replace their iPhone... if not this past cycle, then the next. They'll bite the bullet and pay the price because there is no other option for them (and Apple will discontinue the older, cheaper models).
I continue to be perplexed as to why so many come to Apple's defense whenever the awareness of a defect is raised. Looking at the trackrecord of such customer reports, when was the last time that such a report of a hardware issue turned out to be nothing?
Yes, the two USB-C ports and headphone jack and 8GB ram and 128GB SSD and Touch Bar. Enjoy.
Tim has turned Apple into the company that Steve warned us about.
What a shame.
Despite limiting its focus to a few product lines and a glacial upgrade pace on some of them, it’s shocking and disappointing how much Apple’s quality has fallen.
Do better Apple.
What a shame.
Despite limiting its focus to a few product lines and a glacial upgrade pace on some of them, it’s shocking and disappointing how much Apple’s quality has fallen.
Do better Apple.
All those "I am fine, its a tiny, vocal minority..." folks responding here should look at the videos diagnosing why this occurs. Ask a good, experienced mechanical engineer if the way Apple deployed the screen flex cable can be expected to sustain a life time of open/close cycles. The important question is how a competent engineering organization could allow this material/design risk to be designed into the product. I do not know what the Macbook Pro Dev will be like, but my hopes is it reflects an emphasis on durability, replaceability, modularity, and non-compromised cooling at the expense of design. Until then I will keep planning on how to migrate to a Librem - more than happy to pay a substantial premium for the device attributes and engineering focus Apple has lost.
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Apple very rarely admits to problems and I don't think they will in this case.
I can see every 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro eventually failing.
It would be interesting to see if the display cable is longer on 2016 / 2017 MacBook Pros when Apple replaces the upper half for any other repair (keyboard etc).
If the courts address this issue it will be interesting to see if Apple figures out a cheap way of replacing the display cable without having to replace half of the laptop.
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What would we do without Carpool Karaoke ?
I can see every 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro eventually failing.
It would be interesting to see if the display cable is longer on 2016 / 2017 MacBook Pros when Apple replaces the upper half for any other repair (keyboard etc).
If the courts address this issue it will be interesting to see if Apple figures out a cheap way of replacing the display cable without having to replace half of the laptop.
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What would we do without Carpool Karaoke
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The DAC has been actually improved. Which ironically makes me miss the audio jack even more on the new iPhones and iPads.
For the rest.. yea, it's garbage.
Santa Rosa- mbp gpu
First iPhone- half of the touch screen stopped responding
iPhone 3gs- same problem
Every single one screwed up one month out of warranty.
As someone impacted by flexgate on my 2016 nTB last year, I am not impressed by Apple's dishonest games. The MacBook Pro is no longer the de facto reliable workhorse it once was. I dont care if you havent been impacted by keyboard issues, or flex gate, or T2 loops. its still true.
Steve would've hung the engineers who decided to use a short flex cable not even accounting for opening the lid of a frigging laptop, activity that is so standard it goes without say.
Steve would've hung the engineers who decided to use a short flex cable not even accounting for opening the lid of a frigging laptop, activity that is so standard it goes without say.
My 2018 MBP has had zero broken keyboards, no problems with flex, no graphical glitches (Vega 20), zero issues with the T2 chip. I must be lucky. Or maybe the minority of devices with issues reported on these forums blow the issues out of proportion?