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why the hell is the memory still the factor in a $100 difference in apple product prices. the difference in cost between memory amounts in negligible at the sizes they are. 8gb is just about worthless unless you never plan to shoot photos, add music, or download apps. hell 16 is too little memory for these things to work right with average use:rolleyes:

And everyone else is starting to make 32GB standard at a lesser selling price than iPhone with bigger hd screens, faster processors, and Apple.... well...

And to your point, the cost of this storage is about 70% less than it was when the first iPhone came out.

Cheaper iMac's.... hmmm interesting...

But how can they make it cheaper? Please no core i3, perhaps a slower clocked i5? Smaller hard drive? The cheapest iMac already uses Intel integrated graphics too.

This is Apple. Cheaper means $100 drop back to the price it was when it had a dvd burner inside and came with a remote. Then they'll axe ram or something sinister. Or put in cheaper, slower hard drives and claim they are faster because of the next version of OSX. And people will act like someone just resurrected Jobs and cheer.... forgetting they've been being screwed $$$ wise on the new iMac and were slandering it for the past year and a half.
 
Sounds like a yawn fest.

Apple keeps nickel and diming us with lame updates that mete out meager improvements. We lemmings buy.
Go look at the timeline of products and just make a big checkmark over the truly groundbreaking products.Now mark a circle over the upgraded product.
Nowadays you will have fewer checkmarks and more circles.

Buying an earphone company to stay relevant suggests there is truly nothing in the pipeline after the real head of Apple crossed the realm. Or everybody is fighting over what to send out over the transom.
 
So, by cheaper iMacs does that mean the lowering the ability and cost of the entire line or expanding the line to have a lower entry point. I don't have a problem with the second, but worry about the first.
 
If they announce this at WWDC, I hope the whole crowd boo's like crazy.

"Hey developers, we're releasing a brand new 8 gig version of the phone, so there will less chance of a customer having enough room to install your apps. Aren't we the best!!!!"

Apple apologist - but, but, but ... Dropbox, iCloud, etc... More phones will be sold

Apple realist - more bad memory crunch experiences will be had by 1st time buyers who will be looking for an alternative, once they realize their mistake.
 
"Nice! Got me an 8GB iPhone 5S for a steal! Lemme just upload a couple songs, maybe download Infinity Blade and Clash of Claaaaaaaand it's gone."

Moar GBs plz
 
Serious question, what's the difference in wholesale cost between 8GB and 16GB? 50 cents? A dollar? And this will miraculously allow the phone to be priced so it can be sold in emerging markets?

This is one of the things I hate about Apple (even though I'm a loyal consumer). They always try to capitalize as much as possible why cheapening the hardware.
 
I doubt emerging markets are buying tons of music, videos and apps.

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This is one of the things I hate about Apple (even though I'm a loyal consumer). They always try to capitalize as much as possible why cheapening the hardware.

Buy what you need and stop whining.
 
Having a device that can only record video in 1080p (unless you use a 3rd party app) with 8 GB storage doesn't make sense. The very first iPhone came in an 8 GB model and that's when there was no 3rd party app store or video recording functionality.

The first iPhone came in 4gb... not 8.
 
I'm still waiting for the Mac Mini to be updated as well as their display. Apple, why do you do this to us? Ugh

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Now that I think of it, it'll be insulting to bring an iPhone 5S with only 8G for the amount it costs the consumer.
 
So, by cheaper iMacs does that mean the lowering the ability and cost of the entire line or expanding the line to have a lower entry point. I don't have a problem with the second, but worry about the first.

No. Think of it like Macbook Air. They lowered the price by 200 within the last year (2 dif models) but it's the same machine.
 
Apple keeps nickel and diming us with lame updates that mete out meager improvements. We lemmings buy.
Go look at the timeline of products and just make a big checkmark over the truly groundbreaking products.Now mark a circle over the upgraded product.
Nowadays you will have fewer checkmarks and more circles.

Buying an earphone company to stay relevant suggests there is truly nothing in the pipeline after the real head of Apple crossed the realm. Or everybody is fighting over what to send out over the transom.

Please stay on your side of the pond.
 
Apple keeps nickel and diming us with lame updates that mete out meager improvements. We lemmings buy.
Go look at the timeline of products and just make a big checkmark over the truly groundbreaking products.Now mark a circle over the upgraded product.
Nowadays you will have fewer checkmarks and more circles.

Buying an earphone company to stay relevant suggests there is truly nothing in the pipeline after the real head of Apple crossed the realm. Or everybody is fighting over what to send out over the transom.

Your logic could be applied to every company that's ever existed. No one has consistently churned out groundbreaking products year to year.

Even Apple has been around for decades and only have had a few groundbreaking products every decade. People think that because it isn't groundbreaking, they aren't trying.

Apple is buying Beats because Iovine has been instrumental in their success with iTunes. Their headphones and earphones may not be the best but their marketing is rocking and their brand has become a household name. It's not a relevance issue... it's business.
 
Being honest, except for the most basic of users, the 16GB iOS devices and the 128GB Macs have too little storage. I wouldn't recommend them to many people.
 
The 10.9.4 beta was pulled?...what!? I'm running it on both my machines now. Glad I got it while it was available.

EDIT: The beta is still available on the Apple developer site, I just checked. Build 13E9
 
I dunno, the pond is looking a kinda dry to me.

How many 8gig flash drives do you see ?

I can vouch for low cost product by eliminating things like camera, but keeping flash but going BACK to 8 Gig when there are no other non-Apple phones with even an 8 Gig version ?


Seems like backwards talk to me.

But i applaud Apple for doing things like... I dunno if i should cry or laugh.

On the other hand, no competition ...
 
Ubuntu is about as far away from OS X as you can get in terms of experience. Ubuntu - buggy software with shockingly bad user interfaces and experiences that will confuse and frustrate the most seasoned computer professional. And most of the most popular software available on Ubuntu/Linux is the same stuff people were banging on about a decade ago with very little improvement from that previous decade (i.e. GIMP).

Compare all of that to the elegance and beauty of the Mac and the incredible apps developers make for all of us with pure love. Mac developers are constantly pushing the envelope. Even the Windows side looks stale and abandoned in comparison now.

I'm just suggesting I lost nothing trying it out as a virtual machine and seeing as it's free, nobody else does. The dock and icon appearance is very Mac OS X like as is the menu bar. I know there's other LINUX derivatives available but for the sake of downloading a disk image and following some instructions, it's harmless at least trying it.

I agree about the bugs though. It's definitely a work in progress that's had more attention given to the interface than the underlying system. Mavericks suffers from that but goes one further by simply being a cranky version of Mountain Lion that appeared to change very little till I realised I can't use half the ancient apps with it that are fine in 10.8 and I was glad I had a backup to clone back from.
 
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It's time to shift the 16GB for emerging markets and not 8GBs! Make the options for the iPhone to be 32GB, 64GB and 128GB. This is then the perfect lineup for iPhones. I gotta say that this shift in the lineup hasn't taken place for years and it's time to do so!

I couldn't agree more. If they do the crocks inspired neon model in 16Gb and the higher end one as 32, 64 and 128Gb I'd happily stay with my existing model on a pay and go contract till I can afford the 128Gb one because my iTunes library is nearly 140Gb and I bet a lot of that is live versions or remixes of tunes I barely listen to.
 
Ubuntu is about as far away from OS X as you can get in terms of experience. Ubuntu - buggy software with shockingly bad user interfaces and experiences that will confuse and frustrate the most seasoned computer professional.

I disagree, and I dislike running Ubuntu and love OS X. Of the various Linux distros, Ubuntu is certainly one of the easier, simpler, and more stable ones.

As the old adage goes: Ubuntu is an ancient African word for "can't install Debian".

And most of the most popular software available on Ubuntu/Linux is the same stuff people were banging on about a decade ago with very little improvement from that previous decade (i.e. GIMP).

No kidding. It probably doesn't help that various projects get dropped when development isn't quick enough or there's internal contention between developers. Its a wonder that it doesn't all fall apart.
 
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