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Apple May Not Launch Updated Mac Studio With M2 Ultra Chip Due to Similarity With Upcoming Mac Pro

falainber said:
Do you know anything about Apple? How long did it take for Apple to redesign disastrous MacPro 6,1? 6 years! No covid. No Ukraine war or anything.
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Thank you for being condescending by the way. Obviously I know Apple. I have used them and followed them for 20+ years.

Apple anticipated where the industry was moving to and failed. They have, as much as a PR team and legal team would allow them to say, publicly apologized for the state of the Mac Pro back in 2016/2017 and released the iMac Pro and we got the better 2019 Mac Pro as a result. Apple knows they messed up, they told us they messed up in a more PR/Legal friendly way.
 
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sam_dean said:
I agree with you.

As far as I am concerned the Mac Studio is much more important product than the Mac Pro.

Majority of Mac users, that I would not be surprised at ~99% worldwide, would not even be impacted that the Mac Pro would be abandoned.
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I agree, but the people it would impact still matter, would really be pissed, and even if I’m not in the financial space to afford one, I definitely would rather have one… until/unless Apple completely ruins it. Again.
 
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jdb8167 said:
The point I was making is that Apple has supported PCIe on Apple silicon Mac SoCs since day one. There is no reason to believe that Apple silicon architecture limits the use of PCIe in any way. It’s just a question of how many PCIe lanes they need on a Mac Pro CPU.
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PCI Express is a bus

PCIe expansion slot is how we connect peripheral components onto the logic board.

These are 2 are related but are not the same.
 
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falainber said:
Well, the lack of "sourced" information about Apple preparing Mac Studio update in itself may indicate that update is not coming.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that… but thumbs up anyway for the option being floated as a possibility.
 
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UMHurricanes34 said:
Why is this so difficult?

M2 / M2 Pro Mac Mini
M2 Pro / M2 Max Mac Studio
M2 Max / M2 Ultra Mac Pro

Why does Apple struggle with such *basic* product positioning these days?
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That doesn’t get them the absolute largest profit as demanded by Masters of Business Administration/Wall Street pathology.
 
dysamoria said:
I agree, but the people it would impact still matter, would really be pissed, and even if I’m not in the financial space to afford one, I definitely would rather have one… until/unless Apple completely ruins it. Again.
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They do not matter enough for Apple to bother refreshing a 3yo Mac Pro.

What they did instead was release a 2022 Mac Studio that probably addressed the needs of more than 50% of all Mac Pro users/buyers.
 
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jdb8167 said:
The point I was making is that Apple has supported PCIe on Apple silicon Mac SoCs since day one. There is no reason to believe that Apple silicon architecture limits the use of PCIe in any way. It’s just a question of how many PCIe lanes they need on a Mac Pro CPU.
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Dont confuse the bus with the slot. Those are related and yet different.
 
jdb8167 said:
The point I was making is that Apple has supported PCIe on Apple silicon Mac SoCs since day one. There is no reason to believe that Apple silicon architecture limits the use of PCIe in any way. It’s just a question of how many PCIe lanes they need on a Mac Pro CPU.
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Apple did support PCIe on day one (albeit the outdated version of it). But PCIe is just a bus - the means for devices to "talk" to each other. Not many devices can talk to Apple silicon. Having PCIe doesn't mean that one can use it for connecting the cards one can use on PCs.
 
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hovscorpion12 said:
Imagine releasing a product and then canceling it all together. I feel bad for all the Studio owners with M1 Ultra’s fully loaded. Realizing that you wasted money
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I have an almost maxed out Studio. Even if they do cancel it, which I hope they don't because it does have a nice fit in the desktop lineup, I would not be upset. The ONLY thing the Mac Pro needs is either:

A) Slight price reduction in the base model
B) Slight bump in the base model specs

It was so ridiculous for a $6,000 model to have 256GB SSD, 32GB of RAM and a CPU that a high end iMac can compete with. The maxed out 27" iMac NON pro beat the socks off the 2019 Mac Pro base model, and it was $1,000 less with more RAM, more storage, faster CPU and faster GPU.
 
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sam_dean said:
PCI Express is a bus

PCIe expansion slot is how we connect peripheral components onto the logic board.

These are 2 are related but are not the same.
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More than just related. The expansion slot is just a group of PCIe lanes used together with a physical layer to connect with. Nothing about the Apple silicon architecture limits that use.
 
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Ethosik said:
Have you went outside the last two years? We had a world wide event that caused supply chain issues. We had Ukraine, more China drama, chip shortages, employee shortages and many more things. I don't know what you are talking about.

The fact that supply shortages got so bad, I got put on a several month waiting list to fix a broken window because "supply issues". It got to security and comfortability of our homes with how bad things got.
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This is valid, but there’s also a lot of examples where these explanations aren’t relevant and are used as excuses, such as when companies are busy shooting themselves in the foot and showing their asses with how they treat their own workers and by prioritizing feeding the Wall Street pathology, rather than on the well-being of their workers, success of their products, and supporting their customers.
 
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falainber said:
Apple did support PCIe on day one (albeit the outdated version of it). But PCIe is just a bus - the means for devices to "talk" to each other. Not many devices can talk to Apple silicon. Having PCIe doesn't mean that one can use it for connecting the cards one can use on PCs.
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That's what many should understand

- PCIe bus
- PCI Express expansion slot

Related but not the same.

Do not get confused.
 
I honestly do not see a business case for Apple to refresh the 2019 Mac Pro until 2029.
 
falainber said:
Apple did support PCIe on day one (albeit the outdated version of it). But PCIe is just a bus - the means for devices to "talk" to each other. Not many devices can talk to Apple silicon. Having PCIe doesn't mean that one can use it for connecting the cards one can use on PCs.
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I never said it did. The point is only that the Apple silicon architecture does not have anything to do with whether or not the Mac Pro can support PCIe.
 
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Apple could solve the Pro problem by allowing the current Mac Pro the ability to dual boot into an Apple Silicon SoC M2 Ultra. Not Boot Camp, a case that houses two complete switchable systems. This would separate it from the Studio and give us a high end AAA gaming machine. :D
 
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dysamoria said:
This is valid, but there’s also a lot of examples where these explanations aren’t relevant and are used as excuses, such as when companies are busy shooting themselves in the foot and showing their asses with how they treat their own workers and by prioritizing feeding the Wall Street pathology, rather than on the well-being of their workers, success of their products, and supporting their customers.
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Completely different things. There is evidence that these new products that were just announced, even the HomePod should have been released months ago.
 
hovscorpion12 said:
Imagine releasing a product and then canceling it all together. I feel bad for all the Studio owners with M1 Ultra’s fully loaded. Realizing that you wasted money
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Weird take. It’s only money wasted if the discontinuation results in a lack of parts for a future repair you can’t get. Otherwise, if the machine served a purpose when bought, and keeps working long after being discontinued, that’s not a waste of money.
 
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