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They do not matter enough for Apple to bother refreshing a 3yo Mac Pro.

What they did instead was release a 2022 Mac Studio that probably addressed the needs of more than 50% of all Mac Pro users/buyers.
To Apple’s Wall Street pathological interests, agreed.
 
All Macs of the last decade has the PCIe bus.

Only the Mac Pro has internal card slots for PCI Express.

Many here get confused between the bus and expansion slot.

For Macs we have a limited need for a card slot. TB4/USB4 is a superior for the typical consumer..
Exactly. Does anyone think an i9-9900k doesn't support PCIe slots? Well the iMac didn't have slots! Yet my previous Windows rig had a bunch of them.
 
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To Apple’s Wall Street pathological interests, agreed.
Not reallly... why cater for users that do not merit the resources.

It's like the iPhone mini... online echo chambers make it appear than tens of millions of iPhone mini buyers are out there.

If it's a few million units per year then why refresh it to a iPhone 14 mini product line?
 
This could become one of the fastest Apple classic Macs.

I would not mind upgrading this in a couple of years and hope that it is an option.
 
Apple could solve the Pro problem by allowing the current Mac Pro the ability to dual boot into an Apple Silicon SoC M2 Ultra. Not Boot Camp, a case that houses two complete switchable systems. This would separate it from the Studio and give use a high end AAA gaming machine. :D
This is what they should, but will not, do. The default boot can be Apple Silicon, but a workstation still needs to fit a WinTel software/production house world for now. I wouldn’t want an only-Intel machine my own self, because the interesting convenience features are only on Apple Silicon.
 
I think fundamentally here is that there are a lot of desktop options when 90% of the computers Apple must sell are the laptops. The laptop line is pretty clear now while there are too many desktops that overlap with very little performance differentiation
 
It’s another example of Apple building what they want and not fully addressing the needs of the customer. Most of us could write a spec for a Studio that would be far more versatile. It would be better than anything we’re likely to see emerging from Apple. I’ll use my M1 Mini for video production and build a big PC with a spec I need for everything else. If Apple had made a standard 5k monitor minus the frills and plus height adjustment that wasn’t so cynically priced I might have gone for that. If they had made an M1 27” iMac I would have been tempted. As things stand 4k screens present scaling issues and the Studio Display doesn’t like Windows so they’re alienating me. No worries- there are other solutions.
 
To Apple’s Wall Street pathological interests, agreed.
It seems like you just have a problem with capitalism and publicly traded companies. To some extent, I agree but these are completely unrelated things.

You do realize that the Mac Pro is a completely separate beast than the Mac Studio right? They also need to think about RAM. Will they have a slower more user-upgradeable RAM slots? Who knows. Twitter rumors a year ago or so said they were working on tiered RAM approach. We will see how it works.

Apple doesn't want a repeat of the 2013 Trash Can Mac Pro. So taking it slow and doing it right while faced with supply chain/world issues plays a big part in getting this finished up.
 
Completely different things. There is evidence that these new products that were just announced, even the HomePod should have been released months ago.
And maybe they would’ve been, if Apple hadn’t been dragging their feet on allowing workers to work the way they needed/wanted to, and losing expertise to other companies as workers left Apple for more flexible and higher-paying companies.
 
And maybe they would’ve been, if Apple hadn’t been dragging their feet on allowing workers to work the way they needed/wanted to, and losing expertise to other companies as workers left Apple for more flexible and higher-paying companies.
I am as pro-WFH as anyone on this forum, but that is not the biggest issue at hand here. People working on SoC architecture need a lab anyway so they have not been WFH 100% anyway.
 
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Not reallly... why cater for users that do not merit the resources.

It's like the iPhone mini... online echo chambers make it appear than tens of millions of iPhone mini buyers are out there.

If it's a few million units per year then why refresh it to a iPhone 14 mini product line?
Because it makes a profit? Just spitballing here…
 
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Imagine a majority of Mac Pro users not caring for the video card they have installed. Delusional.
In truth what we see on the forums may just be the minority who do care.

Everyone else just wants the most powerful Mac for their respective use case that have no intention of upgrading GPUs.
 
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It seems like you just have a problem with capitalism and publicly traded companies. To some extent, I agree but these are completely unrelated things.

You do realize that the Mac Pro is a completely separate beast than the Mac Studio right? They also need to think about RAM. Will they have a slower more user-upgradeable RAM slots? Who knows. Twitter rumors a year ago or so said they were working on tiered RAM approach. We will see how it works.

Apple doesn't want a repeat of the 2013 Trash Can Mac Pro. So taking it slow and doing it right while faced with supply chain/world issues plays a big part in getting this finished up.
I don’t disagree with anything you said there 👍🏽😊
 
I predict they launch it at the same time as the Mac Pro and they make a clear demarcation point between the Studio with the the M2 Ultra and the Mac Pro with whatever variant and expansion options they decide to put in it.
 
I am as pro-WFH as anyone on this forum, but that is not the biggest issue at hand here. People working on SoC architecture need a lab anyway so they have not been WFH 100% anyway.
No argument in that context.
 


A new version of the Mac Studio with the "M2 Ultra" chip is unlikely to arrive in the near future, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

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In the latest edition of his "Power On" newsletter, Gurman explained that since the upcoming Apple silicon Mac Pro is "very similar in functionality to the Mac Studio," Apple may wait until the release of M3- or M4-series chips to update the machine, or simply never refresh the device at all:To date, little has been rumored about the next-generation Mac Studio, so Gurman's latest remarks are the firmest indication yet that a new version of the machine is unlikely to arrive any time soon.

Last month, it emerged that Apple reportedly scaled back its plans for the first Apple silicon Mac Pro, scrapping the "M2 Extreme" chip and falling back on non-user-upgradable memory and the same design as the 2019 model. The device is now expected to offer the M2 Ultra only – a chip that would also have logically come to the next-generation Mac Studio.

The M2 Ultra chip is almost certain to double-up the capabilities of the recently introduced M2 Max chip, which is currently only available in the 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro. With reduced modularity and similar performance on the upcoming Mac Pro, Apple's move to hold off on updating the Mac Studio's hardware may make sense until it can work out a better strategy for the machine's positioning going forward.

Article Link: Apple May Not Launch Updated Mac Studio With M2 Ultra Chip Due to Similarity With Upcoming Mac Pro
Something seems seriously off/wrong with Gurman’s Mac Pro reporting. For Apple to so obviously get it wrong with their chips and lineups, after screwing up the Mac Pro so badly with the Trash Can, just doesn’t make sense.
 
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In truth what we see on the forums may just be the minority who do care.

Everyone else just wants the most powerful Mac for their respective use case that have no intention of upgrading GPUs.
And it’s always a great idea to ignore or marginalize minorities…
 
Because it makes a profit? Just spitballing here…
Tim's smart enough not to waste resources on a low volume product.

Hence the 2019 Mac Pro not being refreshed for over 3 years...

Mac Pro's been neglected since 2013... refresh is every 4 years or more? Tells me that units shipped annually worldwide isn't worth the annual refresh.
 
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