By whom exactly?Surely the WHOLE POINT of implementing USB-C is to NOT need proprietry cables any more? Why can't we use a high quality third party USB-C cable to transfer data at reasonable speeds? I imagine the EU, who pushed for USB-C in the first place, will see this as yet more gatekeeping?
I'm so sick of hearing people complain about having to carry around a second cable. Talk about a first world problem. Yes, it'll be nice to have one cable to rule them all, but people now are talking like they need to report Apple to the UN for torturing people by putting them through the hell of carry a second, small, cable.Standardising ports and cables is not dumb, my phone is the only reason I still need to carry a Lightning cable, everything else already uses USB-C.
However, restricting USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds unless you buy a $130 cable, is the very definition of dumb (and greed.)
I don't even remember when I last plugged my phone in to charge, never mind sync data over a wire... This will not affect me in the slightest
Of course they aren't going to include a Thunderbolt 4 cable. They don't even include one with the MacBook Pros!
95% of smartphone users probably don't even know what the speed of their usb cables are, or what the difference even means. The remainder who do care, will simply get one that meets their needs (assuming they don't already own multiples).Thunderbolt cables are usually very expensive so I can live with Apple selling this separately. However, Apple needs to include full speed USB-C cable or they will face worldwide wrath.
Who uses a cable? Just make the damn thing portless.
95% of smartphone users probably don't even know what the speed of their usb cables are, or what the difference even means. The remainder who do care, will simply get one that meets their needs (assuming they don't already own multiples).
It's a nothing burger.
Currently, there is precedent in the iPad 10 sporting a usb 2.0 port, so I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone 15 sports a similar port, if for the simple reason that their user base likely doesn't really plug in their phone for anything aside from charging.This is one area I think a distinction between the Pro and the standard could be made. People really using their phone for work (“Pros” if you will) still have uses for a fast port.
They keep putting out “Shot on iPhone” ads and talking about 4K movies. Pros have Thunderbolt docks.
At the very least people will notice a difference with the USB3 speed even with non-Thunderbolt when backups go faster, gigabit Ethernet adapters get full speed, etc.
Yeahhh!!!.. Can't wait to buy $129 cable....
and a turdle will pop out of a cake at your next birthday party. Apple will tell you why it's sticks with standard USB speeds for the next decade and you will like it.iPhone 15 will have 480 Mbps, iPhone 16 will have 5 Gbps, iPhone 17 will have 10 Gbps, iPhone 18 will have 20 Gbps, iPhone 19 will have 40 Gbps. Five good reasons to upgrade.
And if true a lawsuit waiting to happen.Surely the WHOLE POINT of implementing USB-C is to NOT need proprietry cables any more? Why can't we use a high quality third party USB-C cable to transfer data at reasonable speeds? I imagine the EU, who pushed for USB-C in the first place, will see this as yet more gatekeeping
wifi and airdrop are not good for large files. I know, I deal with it everyday. Anything over a GB takes a while. Unless you have 5GUW or wifi7 and a GB internet connection air drop isn't worth using on anything more than a basic document or a few pictures. That's why the design team and photography department at Realtree dropped Iphones and mac's in 2021.Thunderbolt ≠ USB. They’re two separate protocols and have different requirements in the cable to function, but just the same connector, USB-C.
Having one cable rule them all was never a real possibility. There are 19 wires required inside that one cable for a full USB4 functionality. You think all manufacturers wanna put that much in there with the proper shielding and metals (and a separate chip for Thunderbolt) for safely transferring 40Gbps with room for zero error?
The solution to your problem to your problem is to buy the best, most recent, top of the line cable for all of your needs, aka one that supports Thunderbolt and USB4. But in that case you’re gonna be spending like ~$100 per cable, rather than the $5 you can find on Amazon.
That’s what’s happening here. Apple is not gonna bundle a Thunderbolt cable with an iPhone. They want to keep the margins they got when they removed the charger.
The other solution is for either Thunderbolt or USB4 to win the battle and reign supreme, which is a lot easier now than back in the day since they’re nearing feature parity now. But even then there’s no guarantee USB5 or USB6 would be on the horizon with even more expensive requirements.
Not to mention Power Delivery is its own specification aside from USB-C and its cables.
When articles like this speculate that the non-pro iPhones will use USB-C with USB 2.0 data transfer speeds, that just means they don’t want or expect people to be sending data through a cable anymore at all. They want as few wires in the cable as possible to save money. I don’t even know why data transfer through from a phone cable is even still a part of anyone’s process anymore. WiFi/airdrop are all good and fast enough at this point.
Anyway, USB-C solving all our port issues is an illusion. You’re always gonna have to pay attention to what kind of cable you’re buying and what most recent standard it supports. Manufacturers be cheap. 40Gbps+ speeds (USB 3.0 and the first USB-C cables started out at 5Gbps, remember) require more and better quality materials.
Sorry to unload this all out on you, I actually really just needed to write this out for myself lol. It’s confusing stuff.
Yup, I have a small pile of TB cables around, they work for everything, if you want one cable to rule them all you need to go for the highest specced cables right now. Downside is they’re more expensiveThunderbolt ≠ USB. They’re two separate protocols and have different requirements in the cable to function, but just the same connector, USB-C.
Having one cable rule them all was never a real possibility. There are 19 wires required inside that one cable for a full USB4 functionality. You think all manufacturers wanna put that much in there with the proper shielding and metals (and a separate chip for Thunderbolt) for safely transferring 40Gbps with room for zero error?
The solution to your problem to your problem is to buy the best, most recent, top of the line cable for all of your needs, aka one that supports Thunderbolt and USB4. But in that case you’re gonna be spending like ~$100 per cable, rather than the $5 you can find on Amazon.
That’s what’s happening here. Apple is not gonna bundle a Thunderbolt cable with an iPhone. They want to keep the margins they got when they removed the charger.
The other solution is for either Thunderbolt or USB4 to win the battle and reign supreme, which is a lot easier now than back in the day since they’re nearing feature parity now. But even then there’s no guarantee USB5 or USB6 would be on the horizon with even more expensive requirements.
Not to mention Power Delivery is its own specification aside from USB-C and its cables.
When articles like this speculate that the non-pro iPhones will use USB-C with USB 2.0 data transfer speeds, that just means they don’t want or expect people to be sending data through a cable anymore at all. They want as few wires in the cable as possible to save money. I don’t even know why data transfer through from a phone cable is even still a part of anyone’s process anymore. WiFi/airdrop are all good and fast enough at this point.
Anyway, USB-C solving all our port issues is an illusion. You’re always gonna have to pay attention to what kind of cable you’re buying and what most recent standard it supports. Manufacturers be cheap. 40Gbps+ speeds (USB 3.0 and the first USB-C cables started out at 5Gbps, remember) require more and better quality materials.
Sorry to unload this all out on you, I actually really just needed to write this out for myself lol. It’s confusing stuff.
The EU created this mess. There isn't a government official on the face of this planet that can design a lead pencil let alone a consumer electronic device. Is Apple perfect? No. But I'll buy whatever service/product they are selling any day over what the EU is offering.Blaming everyone for the mess except the corporation who actually incited the E.U. to create the new regulations, which is also the corporation that creates the mess and gets to profit greatly from it.
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And yet far behind the EU that created this mess.This is the most greedy company on the planet earth 💸💸💸
The EU is incapable of cleaning any mess. See my comment above.Hahahah enjoy getting roasted. Apple created this mess, the EU are cleaning it up.
Geeze, the EU suing an American corporation? Who would have thunk it?And if true a lawsuit waiting to happen.
And thus charging them for capacity they don’t use makes no sense, so to control costs you ship a cheaper cable since it will meet most users needs. An alternative is to only ship the more expensive cable with the higher storage models, such as 1TB, since those users may benefit from and use the feature.It's a "Pro" phone for a premium price – to include a cable that makes use of its feature should be a given. Whether or not users will make use of it is irrelevant.
Nothing prevents Apple from creating their own proprietary spec if they want.Well, the market is already beyond mature and doesn’t offer a lot of specs for Apple to upgrade from one year to the next.
Over what? Data is not part of the regulation and even the regulation allows for proprietary charging protocols.And if true a lawsuit waiting to happen.
It is because dumb people who are not technology-literate think "USB-C" means just ONE THING — the size and shape of the plug. People who ACTUALLY know about technology know that "USB-C" can mean many things and can manifest itself in many different ways with many different speeds and features. A Ferrari and a Ford Focus both have four wheels — that doesn't mean they are the same.Thanks EU for this absolutely dumb mess you made.
And thick.Yup, I have a small pile of TB cables around, they work for everything, if you want one cable to rule them all you need to go for the highest specced cables right now. Downside is they’re more expensive
I have a few of these. Definitely the best cable out there. I have had drive or dock disconnects when using supplied cables. OWC ones have been the worst.