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Surely the WHOLE POINT of implementing USB-C is to NOT need proprietry cables any more? Why can't we use a high quality third party USB-C cable to transfer data at reasonable speeds? I imagine the EU, who pushed for USB-C in the first place, will see this as yet more gatekeeping?
By whom exactly?
As far as I’m aware, there isn’t a single android phone with thunderbolt.
 
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Standardising ports and cables is not dumb, my phone is the only reason I still need to carry a Lightning cable, everything else already uses USB-C.

However, restricting USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds unless you buy a $130 cable, is the very definition of dumb (and greed.)
I'm so sick of hearing people complain about having to carry around a second cable. Talk about a first world problem. Yes, it'll be nice to have one cable to rule them all, but people now are talking like they need to report Apple to the UN for torturing people by putting them through the hell of carry a second, small, cable.

Also, we don't even know if this RUMOR is true, and if it is, how much of it. Maybe they'll include it with the phone, and if they do sell it separately, we don't know the price. Some other poster makes reference to $130 as a joke, and all of a sudden that's the set price, and everyone starts talking about it as if it's a proven fact. We also don't even KNOW if the USB-C port is going to in fact be limited to USB 2.0 speeds. Lets wait and see what apple actually puts in the phones, includes in the box, and charges for accessories.
 
I totally welcome USB-C all over for devices.

But we won’t get rid of the old lightning contact just yet - it's still all good for keyboards, trackpads and such.
So we will still have use for some old lightening cables.

I don't even remember when I last plugged my phone in to charge, never mind sync data over a wire... This will not affect me in the slightest

Me neither - cords are cords, and there are boxes of them here. Some old crap from Apple, and better from elsewhere.

Of course they aren't going to include a Thunderbolt 4 cable. They don't even include one with the MacBook Pros!

The cords is one big revenue for making money for Apple.
The mostly include no cords or **** cords, and buying good cords at Apple is robbery.
 
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Thunderbolt cables are usually very expensive so I can live with Apple selling this separately. However, Apple needs to include full speed USB-C cable or they will face worldwide wrath.
95% of smartphone users probably don't even know what the speed of their usb cables are, or what the difference even means. The remainder who do care, will simply get one that meets their needs (assuming they don't already own multiples).

It's a nothing burger.
 
95% of smartphone users probably don't even know what the speed of their usb cables are, or what the difference even means. The remainder who do care, will simply get one that meets their needs (assuming they don't already own multiples).

It's a nothing burger.

This is one area I think a distinction between the Pro and the standard could be made. People really using their phone for work (“Pros” if you will) still have uses for a fast port.

They keep putting out “Shot on iPhone” ads and talking about 4K movies. Pros have Thunderbolt docks.

At the very least people will notice a difference with the USB3 speed even with non-Thunderbolt when backups go faster, gigabit Ethernet adapters get full speed, etc.
 
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This is one area I think a distinction between the Pro and the standard could be made. People really using their phone for work (“Pros” if you will) still have uses for a fast port.

They keep putting out “Shot on iPhone” ads and talking about 4K movies. Pros have Thunderbolt docks.

At the very least people will notice a difference with the USB3 speed even with non-Thunderbolt when backups go faster, gigabit Ethernet adapters get full speed, etc.
Currently, there is precedent in the iPad 10 sporting a usb 2.0 port, so I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone 15 sports a similar port, if for the simple reason that their user base likely doesn't really plug in their phone for anything aside from charging.

I do agree that the pro models should at least come with usb 3.1 for the faster transfer rates for the Prores / Proraw files that Apple hypes up so much. Though at this point, I can't really say for sure which direction Apple will swing, and with a month left to the iPhone reveal, I guess we will just have to wait and see.
 
I would love to be able to use my iPhone to manage photos / videos, but the slow transfer speeds have always made it tough. If the iPhone 15 gets Thunderbolt, then I'm probably going to buy the iPhone with the most storage possible for the first time.
 
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iPhone 15 will have 480 Mbps, iPhone 16 will have 5 Gbps, iPhone 17 will have 10 Gbps, iPhone 18 will have 20 Gbps, iPhone 19 will have 40 Gbps. Five good reasons to upgrade.
and a turdle will pop out of a cake at your next birthday party. Apple will tell you why it's sticks with standard USB speeds for the next decade and you will like it.
If they do give increased speeds they won't change for a long time.
 
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Surely the WHOLE POINT of implementing USB-C is to NOT need proprietry cables any more? Why can't we use a high quality third party USB-C cable to transfer data at reasonable speeds? I imagine the EU, who pushed for USB-C in the first place, will see this as yet more gatekeeping
And if true a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
Thunderbolt ≠ USB. They’re two separate protocols and have different requirements in the cable to function, but just the same connector, USB-C.

Having one cable rule them all was never a real possibility. There are 19 wires required inside that one cable for a full USB4 functionality. You think all manufacturers wanna put that much in there with the proper shielding and metals (and a separate chip for Thunderbolt) for safely transferring 40Gbps with room for zero error?

The solution to your problem to your problem is to buy the best, most recent, top of the line cable for all of your needs, aka one that supports Thunderbolt and USB4. But in that case you’re gonna be spending like ~$100 per cable, rather than the $5 you can find on Amazon.

That’s what’s happening here. Apple is not gonna bundle a Thunderbolt cable with an iPhone. They want to keep the margins they got when they removed the charger.

The other solution is for either Thunderbolt or USB4 to win the battle and reign supreme, which is a lot easier now than back in the day since they’re nearing feature parity now. But even then there’s no guarantee USB5 or USB6 would be on the horizon with even more expensive requirements.

Not to mention Power Delivery is its own specification aside from USB-C and its cables.

When articles like this speculate that the non-pro iPhones will use USB-C with USB 2.0 data transfer speeds, that just means they don’t want or expect people to be sending data through a cable anymore at all. They want as few wires in the cable as possible to save money. I don’t even know why data transfer through from a phone cable is even still a part of anyone’s process anymore. WiFi/airdrop are all good and fast enough at this point.

Anyway, USB-C solving all our port issues is an illusion. You’re always gonna have to pay attention to what kind of cable you’re buying and what most recent standard it supports. Manufacturers be cheap. 40Gbps+ speeds (USB 3.0 and the first USB-C cables started out at 5Gbps, remember) require more and better quality materials.

Sorry to unload this all out on you, I actually really just needed to write this out for myself lol. It’s confusing stuff.
wifi and airdrop are not good for large files. I know, I deal with it everyday. Anything over a GB takes a while. Unless you have 5GUW or wifi7 and a GB internet connection air drop isn't worth using on anything more than a basic document or a few pictures. That's why the design team and photography department at Realtree dropped Iphones and mac's in 2021.
For 18 years every product was Apple.
Now not a single in house user uses an apple product for any internal process. Because their andorids and USB 3 made the world of difference.
 
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Thunderbolt ≠ USB. They’re two separate protocols and have different requirements in the cable to function, but just the same connector, USB-C.

Having one cable rule them all was never a real possibility. There are 19 wires required inside that one cable for a full USB4 functionality. You think all manufacturers wanna put that much in there with the proper shielding and metals (and a separate chip for Thunderbolt) for safely transferring 40Gbps with room for zero error?

The solution to your problem to your problem is to buy the best, most recent, top of the line cable for all of your needs, aka one that supports Thunderbolt and USB4. But in that case you’re gonna be spending like ~$100 per cable, rather than the $5 you can find on Amazon.

That’s what’s happening here. Apple is not gonna bundle a Thunderbolt cable with an iPhone. They want to keep the margins they got when they removed the charger.

The other solution is for either Thunderbolt or USB4 to win the battle and reign supreme, which is a lot easier now than back in the day since they’re nearing feature parity now. But even then there’s no guarantee USB5 or USB6 would be on the horizon with even more expensive requirements.

Not to mention Power Delivery is its own specification aside from USB-C and its cables.

When articles like this speculate that the non-pro iPhones will use USB-C with USB 2.0 data transfer speeds, that just means they don’t want or expect people to be sending data through a cable anymore at all. They want as few wires in the cable as possible to save money. I don’t even know why data transfer through from a phone cable is even still a part of anyone’s process anymore. WiFi/airdrop are all good and fast enough at this point.

Anyway, USB-C solving all our port issues is an illusion. You’re always gonna have to pay attention to what kind of cable you’re buying and what most recent standard it supports. Manufacturers be cheap. 40Gbps+ speeds (USB 3.0 and the first USB-C cables started out at 5Gbps, remember) require more and better quality materials.

Sorry to unload this all out on you, I actually really just needed to write this out for myself lol. It’s confusing stuff.
Yup, I have a small pile of TB cables around, they work for everything, if you want one cable to rule them all you need to go for the highest specced cables right now. Downside is they’re more expensive
 
Blaming everyone for the mess except the corporation who actually incited the E.U. to create the new regulations, which is also the corporation that creates the mess and gets to profit greatly from it.

😑
The EU created this mess. There isn't a government official on the face of this planet that can design a lead pencil let alone a consumer electronic device. Is Apple perfect? No. But I'll buy whatever service/product they are selling any day over what the EU is offering.

This is the most greedy company on the planet earth 💸💸💸
And yet far behind the EU that created this mess.

Hahahah enjoy getting roasted. Apple created this mess, the EU are cleaning it up.
The EU is incapable of cleaning any mess. See my comment above.

And if true a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Geeze, the EU suing an American corporation? Who would have thunk it?

The way some of you are reacting to pure speculation is unreal. No one knows for sure what Apple is doing, (most of the time even Apple doesn't know what Apple is doing) so can we just wait a month until it is announced?
 
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It's a "Pro" phone for a premium price – to include a cable that makes use of its feature should be a given. Whether or not users will make use of it is irrelevant.
And thus charging them for capacity they don’t use makes no sense, so to control costs you ship a cheaper cable since it will meet most users needs. An alternative is to only ship the more expensive cable with the higher storage models, such as 1TB, since those users may benefit from and use the feature.

Well, the market is already beyond mature and doesn’t offer a lot of specs for Apple to upgrade from one year to the next.
Nothing prevents Apple from creating their own proprietary spec if they want.
 
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Thanks EU for this absolutely dumb mess you made.
It is because dumb people who are not technology-literate think "USB-C" means just ONE THING — the size and shape of the plug. People who ACTUALLY know about technology know that "USB-C" can mean many things and can manifest itself in many different ways with many different speeds and features. A Ferrari and a Ford Focus both have four wheels — that doesn't mean they are the same.
 
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