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You're looking at the highest level of things: the full product name.
I'd bet that the Supported, Vintage, Obsolete flags are applied at the MPN (Marketing Part Number) or SKU which could change due to relatively minor changes in manufacturing.

Apple TV is a product without a lot of updates so it gets quite long in the tooth compared to items like iPhone and Mac that are updated every year (or two). There needs to be a way to stop supporting such a long tail of products if you want to keep the rest of the lineup moving foward.
 
That's strange, my Apple TV HD just died a few days ago. I didn't use it much anyway.
 
I still use my iPhone 4S, by the way. For my relatively modest requirements, it still works flawlessly. It doesn't have a single scratch, and it looks like it just came from the factory. Even the battery doesn't show any signs of age yet. :)
Apple phone and iPad batteries are just unreal. I still have the original iPad, and its battery lasts like when it was brand new.

I wish their laptop batteries were that good. The one on my 2012 MBA started losing capacity after about three years. Hopefully they've improved because I need a new laptop, and I'm just waiting for the next-gen MBA to drop.
 
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Yup, I remember. Siri wasn't bad when first released. The problem was that Siri was tanked and didn't quite evolved as expected and started to fall behind. Right now, Siri is catching up, but still has a long way to be what Steve envisioned.
At the time it was about as good as anything else at the time since they just acquired a good one. But yeah it didn’t really ever evolve. And then Google’s got really good, and now they all actually seem to have gotten worse in the last year.

Doesn’t give me hope for self driving cars. Apple is insane if they think anyone is going to get in a car operated by Siri.
 
Basically all that suggests to me is that 2 GB RAM will likely be the minimum for both iOS 16 and iPadOS 16.

BTW, Apple Watch only has 1 GB RAM.
As does the original HomePod which runs a modified version of tvOS.
Not sure why people think iOS and tvOS *must* have the same system requirements.
Apple still sells the HD.
Unless it’s discontinued in the next four days it will continue to get updates.
It’s that simple
 
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My iPhone and iPad are those exact models mentioned here lol

I guess this means neither will get iOS 16?

Guess 2022 is the big upgrade year for me!

EDIT: Actually my 6s is the 64GB model. But it’s probably still not going to get iOS 16 I assume.
 
Well that’s it then; all my Apple devices are now vintage and obsolete. Sigh.
 
My iPad Pro 12.9" is still fast, and it´s very old to Apple Standards :D
I wouldn't exactly call that machine fast. However, it's very usable, not too slow for basic mainstream stuff.

It's lame the 9.7" model only got 2 GB RAM though. The 4 GB RAM in the 12.9" is a big advantage.
 
The ATV4K1 had an A10X, not the A10.

Not sure what you mean by it not being the best choice, but for performance, it is on par, if not better for games, than the A12 that replaced it.

If you mean by "not the best choice" due to it being the only A10X device in the current line up for a long time, until it was replaced by the ATV4K2, then that is understandable.
Everymac.com wasn't listing the CPU correctly in the index page (it does in the detailed spec breakdown on the click through) I guess in a way the A10X in the first AppleTV 4k (the mark 5) is a contemporary with the iPad Pro (2017) of its day.

The price and the remote were missteps. In hindsight leaving it to then wither and die for 4 years was bad - without big name software support and fairly feeble slow and feeble AppleTV+ development left it high and dry and looking decidedly unloved. The news of Apple having talks with EA is incredibly late in the day.

The 6th generation AppleTV replacement with the A12 (rather than A12z which was also available) spelt the end of Apple hoping for developers to create a Nintendo Wii style game that would use the maligned remote that came with the 5th gen AppleTV - that expensive flop of a remote was consigned to history.

Today we have an overpriced streaming box with a compromise remote - I recall rumour articles saying it was ready for launch for several months before it actually came out in April 2021 - who knows why the delay. The A12z was out in the 2020 iPad Pros in March 2020 and the M1 CPU went into the iPad Pros on the same day of release.

The delayed launch spoiled things somewhat as Apple could have chosen the A13 CPU that in the 2nd generation iPhone SE (April 2020), or the A14 that was in the (then current iPhone 12).

Maybe the rumoured 'redesigned' Mac mini might actually be a form of AppleTV mark 7 with M1 CPU now that you can get an iPad Air with it - it would certainly make games developers sit up and notice if Apple went that far ahead of the curve with such a device.
 
At the time it was about as good as anything else at the time since they just acquired a good one. But yeah it didn’t really ever evolve. And then Google’s got really good, and now they all actually seem to have gotten worse in the last year.

Doesn’t give me hope for self driving cars. Apple is insane if they think anyone is going to get in a car operated by Siri.
For me, it hasn't gotten worse, but it's still not where it should be.
 
Maybe the rumoured 'redesigned' Mac mini might actually be a form of AppleTV mark 7 with M1 CPU now that you can get an iPad Air with it - it would certainly make games developers sit up and notice if Apple went that far ahead of the curve with such a device.
Game developers who don't care about the AppleTV today are not going to magically start caring if it has a M1 inside of it.
 
Everymac.com wasn't listing the CPU correctly in the index page (it does in the detailed spec breakdown on the click through) I guess in a way the A10X in the first AppleTV 4k (the mark 5) is a contemporary with the iPad Pro (2017) of its day.

The price and the remote were missteps. In hindsight leaving it to then wither and die for 4 years was bad - without big name software support and fairly feeble slow and feeble AppleTV+ development left it high and dry and looking decidedly unloved. The news of Apple having talks with EA is incredibly late in the day.

The 6th generation AppleTV replacement with the A12 (rather than A12z which was also available) spelt the end of Apple hoping for developers to create a Nintendo Wii style game that would use the maligned remote that came with the 5th gen AppleTV - that expensive flop of a remote was consigned to history.

Today we have an overpriced streaming box with a compromise remote - I recall rumour articles saying it was ready for launch for several months before it actually came out in April 2021 - who knows why the delay. The A12z was out in the 2020 iPad Pros in March 2020 and the M1 CPU went into the iPad Pros on the same day of release.

The delayed launch spoiled things somewhat as Apple could have chosen the A13 CPU that in the 2nd generation iPhone SE (April 2020), or the A14 that was in the (then current iPhone 12).

Maybe the rumoured 'redesigned' Mac mini might actually be a form of AppleTV mark 7 with M1 CPU now that you can get an iPad Air with it - it would certainly make games developers sit up and notice if Apple went that far ahead of the curve with such a device.
You can put whatever SoC you want in the Apple TV Box. It doesn't matter at this point. Apple TV hardware isn't the problem. It's the streaming box itself that has been stuck in neutral. My friends 3rd Gen Apple TV and my 4th Gen do basically the same things. My 4th Gen (2015) does basically the same thing as the latest and greatest Apple streaming boxes in 2022.

The problem with these streaming boxes is that they are now integrated into Smart TV's. Apple did themselves NO favors by allowing the Apple TV+ App on pretty much every device. That to me would have been the major selling point by keeping the Apple TV+ app tied to Apple hardware. That's why Roku, Fire Sticks and Chromecast's now sell for less than $50 USD. Apple is still charging 4 times the amount as if it's the only game in town. Now Microsoft according to rumors will introduce an XBOX Game Pass stick that will allow you to stream and play AAA games and depending on one's internet connection they could play them in 4K.

Developers will go with the biggest gaming audience and that would be Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony. The mobile touch games have lost their luster and people are back to gaming on their PC's and the latest consoles.
 
You can put whatever SoC you want in the Apple TV Box. It doesn't matter at this point. Apple TV hardware isn't the problem. It's the streaming box itself that has been stuck in neutral. My friends 3rd Gen Apple TV and my 4th Gen do basically the same things. My 4th Gen (2015) does basically the same thing as the latest and greatest Apple streaming boxes in 2022.

The problem with these streaming boxes is that they are now integrated into Smart TV's. Apple did themselves NO favors by allowing the Apple TV+ App on pretty much every device. That to me would have been the major selling point by keeping the Apple TV+ app tied to Apple hardware. That's why Roku, Fire Sticks and Chromecast's now sell for less than $50 USD. Apple is still charging 4 times the amount as if it's the only game in town. Now Microsoft according to rumors will introduce an XBOX Game Pass stick that will allow you to stream and play AAA games and depending on one's internet connection they could play them in 4K.

Developers will go with the biggest gaming audience and that would be Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony. The mobile touch games have lost their luster and people are back to gaming on their PC's and the latest consoles.
The strategy of putting an AppleTV app into various third party boxes is dependent on Apple having content on their AppleTV+ service worth having.

Paying for third party content got Netflix to where they are now but they Netflix is suffering as content owners withdraw their content back to their own services or hike the price up on big ticket shows or films.

Apple decided not to pay to hire stuff to boost the AppleTV library but instead pay for exclusives - this makes the content that is on AppleTV+ quite sparse in comparison and the overall library quite slow to build. As people axe streaming services to save money surely AppleTV+ is going to be one of the first to get dropped?

Their strategy has to be to get people to stay signed up or get Apple One and have enough reasons to stay on it as a services subscription for music an arcade. And giving cheap TVs the ability to sign up to AppleTV+ without needing an AppleTV box would probably be a good plan if Apple are happy to give it up to 10 years for people to refresh their TVs.

The MS game pass stick sounds very much like a thin client device that Apple could do - perhaps it's the sort of thing that a 'reduced cost AppleTV' could figure into.

You don't need local heavy duty hardware - just enough to stream games from afar. Not sure how people might like that games model.

However, the key thing is here Apple just haven't inked any major headline deals to get people to sit up and look - Microsoft knew enough to get Bungie purchased to make the exclusive title that would bring people to the Xbox - Halo.

But if Apple have had talks with EA and potentially other companies why haven't they closed a deal before or now? Do they even have serious plans to pivot towards games? How does AppleTV hardware figure into this? And is the lack of deal making a strategy thing (they aren't interested or the price isn't right?) or actually a failure to close a deal?

Remember Apple passed on MGM and Amazon are now proudly letting Prime subscribers watch the entire James Bond library as part of their subscription. Amazon also do live sport events (US Open Tennis for example) which don't need development ramp up time.

What gives you the idea that mobile games have 'lost their lustre?' the sheer number of people who play these games bring a small percentage that will pay the microtransactions to make developing the game worth their while. They must be profitable otherwise why would these devs continue to pricing model? You could certainly say that mobile gamers far outnumber AAA gamers.

Back to the topic though, Apple really do need to fully discontinue the AppleTV HD to be able to do away with it. The new cheaper device might help and even an A15 powered 7th generation AppleTV 4k (8k?) above it all would be nice.
 
For me, it hasn't gotten worse, but it's still not where it should be.

I really meant, but didn’t properly say, that Google Assistant and Alexa seem to have gotten worse, and Siri has very slightly improved, to the point where they are all pretty bad now but Siri is still by far the worst because it fails to understand me the most. They can all theoretically do the same things but for some reason Siri is just hard of hearing, and takes forever to work, if it even will.
 
Same here, my 12.9 is a great device and I have no reason to upgrade.
I absolutely agree. I wore out two Apple keyboards for it and am typing this on a Logitech keyboard since the Apple one is not even available anymore, but the iPad Pro….is just fine, thanks. It does everything I ask of it quite competently.
 
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As does the original HomePod which runs a modified version of tvOS.
Not sure why people think iOS and tvOS *must* have the same system requirements.
Apple still sells the HD.
Unless it’s discontinued in the next four days it will continue to get updates.
It’s that simple
Could be an early revision of the ATV
 
Apple TV HD: this is a mistake/typo the 3rd gen is still listed as supported, and it has been 5 years, it will be moved to vintage

That will be the original Apple TV HD, not the current model. They have the same enclosure but the internals are different.
False, only the name changed, and maybe the white ring around the menu button on the remote, otherwise zero changes were made except for only one model 32GB
 
End of an era.

In my opinion, the 4S was the last real iPhone.

Steve still alive, and a feature that made me genuinely excited to use which didn’t exist elsewhere.

Open Siri —> “Tell X to sit down” —> Sends the message “sit down” to X

Was a true marvel at the time.

Also the only voice control that actually understood what you were saying

The alternative Samsung S Voice was hilariously bad
 
I was just about to have the battery replaced on 1st 12.9 256gb. Once it goes vintage would i be able to still get the battery replaced? This iPad still has some life left in it with A9X and 4gb ram.
 
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