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This is up there with the removal of the AppStore in iTunes. From Mr. Cook's point of view this is a small problem. He probably said, who uses Microsoft products anymore just as he said, who uses the AppStore on the desktop. Both low percentages in his mind.

No, this is false. Compatibility with Microsoft software is important to Apple - that's why they made a big deal of demoing the iPad version of Office. The same is true in reverse for Microsoft, as they have thankfully moved on from the days when they regarded Office as just a tool to force people to use Windows everywhere. MSFT realised that people would just use Google Docs instead, if they didn't make Office great on iOS. Both companies will want this fixed asap.

As for the thing about the app store in iTunes, obviously Apple would have real data about that. It's probably true that very few people use the app store on the desktop, otherwise they wouldn't have removed it. Personally I removed it from the iTunes menu because it was illogical to download mobile phone apps on a desktop when I don't even sync my phone with the desktop. Sure, there will no doubt be a small number of people who were still doing this, just like there were a small number of people using Dashboard widgets or DVD drives. That's just the way it goes, unfortunately, same for Google when they kill services and features, same for Microsoft when they abandoned their phones.
 
No, this is false. Compatibility with Microsoft software is important to Apple - that's why they made a big deal of demoing the iPad version of Office. The same is true in reverse for Microsoft, as they have thankfully moved on from the days when they regarded Office as just a tool to force people to use Windows everywhere. MSFT realised that people would just use Google Docs instead, if they didn't make Office great on iOS. Both companies will want this fixed asap.
Agreed. It's no surprise that the iPad demos in Apple Stores have a slew of Microsoft Office apps installed. Microsoft got smart and realized that Office available everywhere (instead of being best on Windows) is in their strategic interest as Apple and Google continue to dominate the smartphone/tablet OS markets. Microsoft productivity software + Apple devices = win/win for both companies as well as customers.
 
difficult to understand that such errors get into final version .. especially into the "Tim's you all remember" IOS11 version .. in general, I have had so many problems with mail app on Mac as well - they don't care too much about these apps .. no real improvements for many years as well :-/
 
Hopefully it’s a 11.0.x fix and not a 11.1 fix. The outlook app is good, but slow. Mail just opens and shows my emails immediately whereas Outlook loads itself quickly but takes a second or two to show emails. Anyways, it’s been a reported issue by some since the early beta versions. I don’t buy their caught off guard response. Sad!
 
Just updated to 11 and then read this. Lucky. Works fine for me so far. My work account is on Exchange servers here.
 
That might suggest to both companies that not a lot of people that are on iPads and iPhones don't use Microsoft "
Outlook.com, Office 365 & Exchange Accounts" because Microsoft had to find another way to gouge the population for more crappy software.
 
No, apple made the change - they should have tested the software better or even read the bug reports...!!!
Same happened in the past, it's not like it's unusual.

It was actually a Microsoft issue. I was the one working with Apple for my company on this for the past 2 weeks. Microsoft enabled HTTP/2 on their CAFE servers and that caused the issue. I guess its not compatible with iOS 11. It was only happening when you try to send a new email with an attachment or a reply when a signature in the thread had an icon so it attached the icon in the reply. Hope this helps.
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Yeah, no problems for me here either. Not sure why I'm not affected, as I'm also using Office 365-hosted corporate email on Mail.app and it's working fine. Actually it's working better than iOS 10, because it has fixed a bug where text would be too small to read on my phone (something to do with HTML, apparently). Now emails are displaying perfectly, and I can send/reply to emails fine too.

I do use the Outlook app for some things, but I prefer Mail.app for quickly scanning email (and because it's the default email app when clicking links). What I really like in iOS 11 is that when I drag an email from Mail.app on my iPad to another app like Notes, Evernote or Things, it creates a link back to the email. This is a killer feature for me, which will keep me on Mail.app.

Its not every O365 tenant. just the ones that Microsoft turned on HTTP/2. They are rolling the affected servers back now. plus, it was only with emails with attachments or replies with a signature with an icon.
 
Guess you haven’t seen the story yet about watchOS.

It’s software and it happens to everyone. Let’s see how fast they fix it.
Just a general :mad: for MS. I like to do that whenever I get a chance as all goodwill I had for that company was eroded in the aughts.

Yes, I just read the Series 3 story. Glad I stuck to my no-preorder policy (at least on this one).
 
I like the Outlook app on iOS (and use it), but the major problem that no one seems to talk about is that on iOS there is no way to set your default mail app and iOS Mail app is always the default. That means that if you try to send an email through another app, the app will send it to the Mail app, not Outlook. I found this out the hard way when I kept my gmail account in the Mail app, but my main account in Outlook, and people were getting emails from me through Gmail! Now, I have to maintain my Exchange account in the Mail app also, so that I can send through other apps, but I keep only mail turned on (no calendars, contacts, etc.) and turn off notification on the Mail app account so I don't get two notifications for every email that comes in. Sort of a pain in the ***. I don't suppose Apple gave us a gift in iOS 11 by allowing, GOD FORBID, another Mail app to be the default? Nah...not possible.
 
I have two Office 365 accounts and an Exchange 2016 account (three different organizations). I've had no problem sending & replying to messages in the native mail app in iOS 11.

I doubt that this issue is as problematic as the headline lets on.
 
Microsoft will be in refusal till Apple releases final product. Apple can only do so much if Apple changes its software and Apple cannot expect developers to keep changing their code to align with beta releases. On Microsoft's part, they could - because they are running email software and charging people for it - it should work - beta or no beta.
 
I like the Outlook app on iOS (and use it), but the major problem that no one seems to talk about is that on iOS there is no way to set your default mail app and iOS Mail app is always the default. That means that if you try to send an email through another app, the app will send it to the Mail app, not Outlook. I found this out the hard way when I kept my gmail account in the Mail app, but my main account in Outlook, and people were getting emails from me through Gmail! Now, I have to maintain my Exchange account in the Mail app also, so that I can send through other apps, but I keep only mail turned on (no calendars, contacts, etc.) and turn off notification on the Mail app account so I don't get two notifications for every email that comes in. Sort of a pain in the ***. I don't suppose Apple gave us a gift in iOS 11 by allowing, GOD FORBID, another Mail app to be the default? Nah...not possible.

I think you can add Outlook in the "share" menu. If you tap the share button on an item (like a photo) then tap on the "...more" button. from there you can activate Outlook. granted thats only for the share button. If you tap on an email address, it will always go to mail.app. you can always copy and paste the email... hope that helps!
 
It was actually a Microsoft issue. I was the one working with Apple for my company on this for the past 2 weeks. Microsoft enabled HTTP/2 on their CAFE servers and that caused the issue. I guess its not compatible with iOS 11. It was only happening when you try to send a new email with an attachment or a reply when a signature in the thread had an icon so it attached the icon in the reply. Hope this helps.
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Its not every O365 tenant. just the ones that Microsoft turned on HTTP/2. They are rolling the affected servers back now. plus, it was only with emails with attachments or replies with a signature with an icon.


Source about the rollbacks?
 
Not a source but a blog about the security vulnerabilities when initially released in 2015. My company also blocks the app due to security concerns which have yet to be fixed in the app after 2+ years.
https://blog.winkelmeyer.com/2015/0...ook-app-for-ios-breaks-your-company-security/
That blog is pretty outdated now.
This is also of no concern if the account in question is a Office 365 account as the app now uses OAuth for authentication: https://blogs.office.com/en-us/2015...ity-controls-for-outlook-for-ios-and-android/

Microsoft also has a document which discusses the security situation with the Outlook app.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt684947(v=exchg.160).aspx
 
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No kidding, eh? For such high-profile companies, this really is inexcusable. Someone is not playing by the rules and following specs closely enough. But which one?

This isn't the first time, and it's always happening with the launch of a new iOS. I've seen Microsoft blame Apple for this when it was their own fault for changing their own specs - and just like this time, beta testers saw it coming months ahead of time which is Apple's fault.
 
I have no problem sending. Installed it on all my i-devices the moment it went live.

I never installed the beta, if that's the differentiating factor.
Works for me too. Someone else mentioned that they were OK on o365 for business, so I guess that perhaps this is only affecting "retail" o365?
 
Apple seems to be "caught off guard" a lot lately. Maybe reading bug reports from 3 months ago would help. Or just maybe testing some more would help. But my guess is that it was launch day and not fixed yet, so this bug and a bunch more were released because the time was up.

I miss the days when Jobs would rant and threaten and most of the noticeable bugs would get fixed before launch. "Caught off guard", really? That sounds like an excuse for poor management.
 
It isn't just Outlook.com/Exchange Server, other mail servers running on Windows Server 2016 as a result of how HTTP/2 is implemented. Our SmarterMail server on Windows Server 2016 has the same issue and the OEM wrote up an article about the issue and the temporary work around (modifying the Windows Server 2016 registry to act as the previous version and use HTTP/1).
 
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Apple seems to be "caught off guard" a lot lately. Maybe reading bug reports from 3 months ago would help. Or just maybe testing some more would help. But my guess is that it was launch day and not fixed yet, so this bug and a bunch more were released because the time was up.

I miss the days when Jobs would rant and threaten and most of the noticeable bugs would get fixed before launch. "Caught off guard", really? That sounds like an excuse for poor management.

Well Jobs totally borked iOS 2 and mobile me. 2 was a nightmare upon release and mobile me was even worse.
 
Problem with the Microsoft workaround occurs when your company’s security policy blocks the use of the Outlook app because it sends the authentications through 3rd party servers. This is the case where I work. Luckily we are still on Exchange 2013 for now and I can use apple’s mail app.

It’s stunning that both Apple and Microsoft ignored this throughout the betas after being informed. (That is the whole point of the beta process, right?)

The service no longer uses 3rd party servers. All of the backend is now hosted on Azure. So if you use O365, its really the same thing. If you trust MSFT with you email, you should trust them with you identity too.
 
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